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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 28 2014 6:10 p.m. MST

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RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

There is not a single scripture anywhere that says: "Thou shalt not provide products or services to sinners". Jesus DID say: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." He also said: "Judge not lest ye be judged by the same measure".

Any claim of "religious conscience" in serving "sinners" (i.e. LGBT couples), therefore, is nothing but bigotry.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

@RanchHand

It should not be news that many Christians consider any sexual expression outside of a traditional marriage to be sin. Many Christians also consider same sex marriage in the same category.

If I were a land lord I would not want to rent housing to a couple living in sin. I would feel like I was helping them sin.

Denying service is probably not the right solution. I would inform the customer that I would provide them with a wedding cake, but the profits would be donated to groups fighting same sex marriage.

1. The so called law would not be broken.
2. The customer would take their business elsewhere.
3. There would be no law suit.

Avenue
Vernal, UT

@ RanchHand

All businesses in the country have the right to refuse service to anyone, especially if it would violate personal religious views to do so. If the government were to force someone to do this, it would violate the rights listed in the First Amendment of the Constitution.

Mr_Normal
utah, UT

No thanks Ranch,
I'd rather not have a gay cake.

Oregon and other states have their laws and, unfortunately, these new "Gay Rights" seem to make liberal judges think it's okay for them to ignore the older laws, even their old constitutions, in favor of what's popular at the moment.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

If the business owners feel the law violates the State Constitution, they need to sue the state - not refuse to follow the law.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@The Rock;

"Denying service is probably not the right solution. I would inform the customer that I would provide them with a wedding cake, but the profits would be donated to groups fighting same sex marriage."

I doubt they'd go elsewhere, but you'd be out the cost of the service/product provided. Not particularly good business sense. You should get to know some gay couples, you would probably like them.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mr Normal
"I'd rather not have a gay cake."

I didn't know cakes had sexual orientations...

NewAgeMormon
Draper, UT

I wonder if these "Christian" business owners also ask straight couples if they have had pre-marital sex before baking them a cake. Being as religious as they are, I'm sure that's a lifestyle they wouldn't agree with. They should also ask about lying, cheating, stealing, etc. Heck, they might as well just post a 10 Commandments checklist to screen potential customers.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Avenue

Do they have the right to say who can and can't sit at their lunch counters?

Mark from Montana
Davis County, UT

@ Ranch Hand

It isn't, in my mind, about liking them or not. It also isn't about if it is the best way to handle it. To me, those saying they will not provide the service is about them not wanting to suggest in any way that they agree with or support the actions. That is 100% about religious freedom.

If it were me, I am not sure what I would do, but I completely respect business owner's rights to not provide service. I would move from any state that forced me to violate my beliefs.

Ken
Sandy, UT

Rock,

I love that idea! I think I'd more likely go shop somewhere if I knew a portion of the proceeds were going to be donated to such a worthy cause, such as protecting families!

NewAgeMormon
Draper, UT

For those of you who side with the bakery, would it also be okay for them to ask couples if they had engaged in pre-marital sex, and then refuse to serve them if they had?

Gregorio
Norco, CA

Our constitution has a bill of rights. We honor the constitution which gives religious liberty.
Let us honor our military dead heroes who gave their life so that we can have our civilian lives and pursuing our lives, liberties and happiness's with our conscience.
Our constitution was created for a religious people. Any other people will not honor this constitution which is based on our Judeao Christian founding fathers desire for religion to control the masses NOT government. The US is for self reliant citizens and God fearing people. Socialists and government dependency is not what the founding fathers had in mind when the constitution was written. JFK said it the people should be giving back to their country not asking their country for a handout.

worf
Mcallen, TX

So much for American freedom. A business should have the freedom to serve whom they want whether you agree with it or not.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

NewAgeMormon,

"For those of you who side with the bakery, would it also be okay for them to ask couples if they had engaged in pre-marital sex, and then refuse to serve them if they had?"

The bakery is baking wedding cakes. If a couple has come, regardless of whether they have had pre-marital sex or not, if they are requesting a wedding cake, then the bakery is helping them celebrate their wedding. Their wedding is not a sin, even if they've had premarital sex. The bakery would not be baking a "premarital sex celebration cake". Its a wedding cake.

Sorry, I know you wanted so hard to make a good point there, but it doesn't hold up. The wedding cake is to celebrate the wedding.

Dr. Thom
Long Beach, CA

" Now the two parties must undergo a state-ordered "conciliation" process to reach a settlement?"

This is an easy fix, "I'll agree to bake you a cake and you agree not to get married,"

Like I said, easy, peezy.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

New Age Mormon,

"For those of you who side with the bakery, would it also be okay for them to ask couples if they had engaged in pre-marital sex, and then refuse to serve them if they had?"

That would make sense if the couple was coming in for a cake to celebrate their pre-marital sex, but most likely couples are coming in for a wedding cake. Even if a couple did have pre-marital sex, the wedding cake is to celebrate the wedding, which between a man and a woman, is not a sin.

Good try.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

"The New Civil Rights Movement website reported that Sweet Cakes wasn't the only business to feel the reverberations of the discrimination complaint. The LGBT community threatened to boycott any company that did business with Sweet Melissa."

Now that's just mean spirited and vicious. Agree to disagree, but don't try to destroy the livelihood of the bakers or of the suppliers that had no involvement with the disputed transaction.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

Just bake the cake and take their money.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

"What makes you think they [Mormons] could be forced to marry a gay couple?"

-RanchHand, Oct 2013

Call me crazy, but forcing others to do everything else for you doesn't help your case.

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