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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 28 2014 8:20 p.m. MST

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Ole Ball Coach
Sandy, UT

@ Poyman

You miss-understood....those schools DO NOT want the Cougars back in the MWC, as for passionate pitch....is that the same passionate pitch the Big 12 extended to BYU? That worked out well for the Cougars didn't it?

BYU played SDSU in a bowl game....what is the other MWC team to play a regional game with the Cougars in any sport since the departure? I know one thing, if I was Utah State, I would be on the side of Cowboys for what BYU did to them, when BYU asked USU to stay in the WAC, then BYU bolted to the WCC and kept USU in the WAC.....classy Cougars!

Fight ON!

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

It's misleading to compare Utah with BYU by looking at Utah's PAC 12 record in football. Playing strong BSC opponents each week is different than gearing up for them occasionally while playing lesser competition.

From 2001-2010 when both Utah and BYU were in the same conference, Utah's record was 20-9 against BCS opponents while BYU was 13-16. From 2005-2010 when Whittingham and Bronco took over (same time), Utah's record against BSC schools was 11-5 while BYU went 8-9.

From 2011 to the present, Utah was matched up weekly against PAC 12 schools and trying to catch up in depth with their conference foes. Football is a battle of attrition. Playing the big boys can break down a roster. Also, Utah hasn't been able to stay healthy at QB which is vital for success. In 2011 though, Wynn did play all year except for his first shoulder surgery before the bowl game where Terrance Cain and Utah was destroyed by Boise State (Utah's first bowl loss in the previous ten appearances). Still, in 2011 Utah was 4-5 in the PAC 12 but 2-0 against other BCS schools that year. So overall, Utah played 11 BCS games and was 6-5.

RealBlue
Holladay, UT

@Bleed Crimson

The reason why there is NO BCS anymore is because of this reason. Now when I say this I want you to pay attention. You ready? To give Everyone the opportunity to get to the highest level, which is winning the National Championship. You are still stuck in the old system. Just to inform you the so called BCS bowls are now playoff bowls. Just like the Rose Bowl, that is now a playoff bowl. Let me say this again, ANY team that goes undefeated or have atleast 1 loss will more than likely be invited to a playoff bowl. I say that because that has been the trend in the past, look at all the teams in the BCS bowls, they all had 0 to 1 loss for the year. It will be the same going forward. Let's bring it locally, what are the odds that utah runs the table with 0 to 1 loss? Well the last few seasons hasn't worked out to well. And by the look of their recruiting it will yield the same result for many years. So what is all the hubbub bub?

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Snack Pac,

"....the Utes haven't accomplished anything of any significance in any men's sport."

Utah beat No. 5 Stanford in football and No. 20 UCLA in basketball. Last season the men's basketball team made a nice run in the PAC 12 tourney.

Bobster,

Using Arizona as an example of a football program that has not won a football championship is a poor example and everyone should stop using it. I followed WAC football from its inception in the early '60's through the '70's and Arizona was never a football power. Arizona's motivation for leaving the WAC and joining the PAC was for academic reasons. The faculty senate pushed it so that Arizona would be tied academically to Stanford, Washington, Cal, UCLA etc. Indeed, six years after Arizona joined the PAC they received membership in AAU, the elite place for academic institutions. That was about the time Arizona became a basketball school. So, let's accept the truth about football and Arizona and stop using it as an example of Utah's football future.

Also, the Deseret News sent out an email asking for more civility. PAC 10.2 is a slur. Everyone stop using it.

Stringer Bell
Henderson, NV

Re: Down Under "Insecure fans hang their entire existence on their conference membership. I don't see BYU or BSU doing that. "

You don't see them in a big time conference either.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

"If BYU goes undefeated, ... they will have access to the playoff game."

You are forgetting some things.

1) Playoff selection is by committee, not ranking. Even if it was ranking, undefeated mid-majors don't rank high. Utah ended 2008 regular season at 7, Boise at 9.
2) BYU doesn't play anyone. Not their fault. They tried to schedule tough, but this year only one team in the top 20. A committee compares that to a school that slugged in out in the SEC or Big 12? BYU comes up short.
3) It is all about the money. Given a chance, the committee will choose a Big 5 school over the small and independent. Outrage? Maybe, but its their money. They're just pretending everyone has a shot at it.

Good news. Going undefeated should get BYU access to a Big Money Bowl, provided another mid-major is not ranked above them.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@quest obsessed

I knew some utah "fan" would bring up the BYU/utah record of late. Congratulations? My comment had nothing to do with BYU but like any utah "fan" searching for something, anything, to ease the pain of utah's futility that is the one and only thing you have. It is ironic as well considering what utah "fans" so delusionally think utah is, but never has been. You keep comparing yourselves to BYU but BYU isn't who you should be hoping to be compared to, it is the rest of the pac12 and in that aspect utah has proven itself to be woefully sub par. But bring up BYU again, I like it when you do because it just continues to prove what the barometer is for utah "fans". lol

Gone fishin
Seattle, WA

I am totally happy that BYU is not in the pac and forced to abandon their principles about Sunday play. Utah apparently had not problem with this. I would rather stand for what I believe in that sell out to big money. In the end it is all about who you are and what you stand for and not the size of your wallet or stadium.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Down under
Salt Lake City, UT
Truth,
Give it to me straight. I'm a big boy and can take it. I don't need to hide behind a stack of pac stickers or banners and beat my chest about conference affiliation. BYU loves their indy status and loves even more their contract with ESPN SPORTS, the leader in sports by the way. And I will say that ESPN also loves BYU right back. You see when you are on TV every week in front of a national audience there is no need to hide. We ARE SECURE. Get the difference?

________

The leader in sports is losing market share to Fox, CBS and NBC Sports.
Yeah the ESPN contract. What were the ratings of BYU games this past season? A national audience hides by changing the channel. Why watch BYU lose to Utah and others? Contracts are made to be broken.
BYU is SECURE in the fact that they sign bowl contracts years in advance. Gotta keep the fan base happy!

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Gone fishin
Seattle, WA
I am totally happy that BYU is not in the pac and forced to abandon their principles about Sunday play. Utah apparently had not problem with this. I would rather stand for what I believe in that sell out to big money. In the end it is all about who you are and what you stand for and not the size of your wallet or stadium.

_________

This is priceless! Care to retract any of your comment? BYU sold out, left the MWC, and chased the money worm dangling on the ESPN hook! You are right, in the end it is all about who you are and what you stand for. LOL!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Here's how byu's done against PAC-12 teams, in spite of not playing them in a back-to-back, week-in-week-out grind, but rather at random while spanning all 3 years--

2 wins against teams finishing at bottom of conference standings;

Getting absolutely brutally curb-stomped by only 3 teams finishing > .500, twice at home/once on neutral;

Winless against this school which the byu-fanbase routinely refers to by all sorts of vile/unChristlike labels, to the tune of 0-3 [bringing our utter-domination of them up to 4 Str/5 of 6/9 of 12/14 of 21 and easily widening the Forever insurmountable overall record to, 57-34-4.]

2-6 overall record to date and now they'll showcase unheard of courage being set to play in '14 against PAC-12's winless last-place finisher in '13, CAL, including getting utterly smashed by CU!

However, they'll be plenty rested after barely concluding w/a bye-wk/UNLV & Savannah State at home....This brutal November stretch will follow a game against Juggernaut MTSU! Yet they "debate" which team is in fact better, The U/byu, following each annual U-victory? Lol

New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

I loved this article it was well thought out and excellently written. Having spent a decade living in a power conference state before moving to Utah my perspective may be different.It has been tough to watch the BYU vs Utah game in the beginning part of the season. It had been a tradition for so long to have it be the last conference game and the energy and enthusiasm was great. The last four games have lacked the intensity and honestly BYU has played awful especially this year. I would have preferred to have the Mountain West become a strong conference and have the rivalry maintained.BYU soundly beat Boise State but it was a very depleted team which gave a lot of confidence to BYU's best players. The two stellar wins by BYU; Texas and Boise State were followed by three major disappointments, Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Washington. Utah which I have followed simply belongs exactly where their record indicates near the bottom of the PAC 12. Independence for BYU hasn't translated into meaningful wins so how has it benefited the program? Utah state proved they had a good team without Chuckie Keeton that was a positive.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@poywoman... "utah and Mississippi State, although the Bulldogs are much more competitive in the SEC than the utes are in the pac12."

Utah- 2 BCS wins
Mississippi State- 0 BCS wins....Never been to BCS bowl

So in that regard their more like the cougies...fail.....try again....lol

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Gone fishin',

"I am totally happy that BYU is not in the pac and forced to abandon their principles about Sunday play."

BYU apparently has no problem offering scholarships and stipends to athletes who will leave their athletic teams and play on Sunday. What is the difference? Yes, other students graduate from college and take jobs that require Sunday work. But to me that is quite different from someone who is simply playing a sport.

Utah Trojan
Park City, UT

Im a lifelong USC Trojan fan living here in Utah. It always drove me crazy listening to the Ute fans talk about how there program was 1 of the best in the country. That they didnt get any respect. I still remember when Utah joined the Pac12 my Ute fan buddies started already counting the national championships and rose bowls. I told them to look at Wash St, Oregon St, and Arizona, look at there history that is what Utah will be. Thats not a bad thing but all Utah can do is hope for a magical season every once in a while. There is no way they will complete year in and year out. Its just too hard. FYI: Arizona in PAC- No Rose Bowls 1 shared title, OSU 3 Rose Bowls since 1941 last in 1965, and WSU 3 Rose Bowls since 1931. Its a joke to think you can come right in and start winning. Nice to have Ute fans served some humble pie! FIGHT ON SC!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@dutchman

That was incredibly weak. What a player does after he leaves BYU has nothing to do with BYU upholding BYU's, and the LDS churches, standards. Those standards are institutional and are based on the standards of the lDS church which owns BYU. While there athletes are expected to live to those standards but once they leave they can make their own choices however the institution itself maintains those standards forever as it should.

utah on the otherhand has no standards, or at least very little in the way of standards. It shows us that all of the time and you know what? That is fine, they have to conform to the lack of standards that a secular institution must have.

So tell me this since you are ostensibly LDS, when an LDS student athlete chooses to attend utah does that mean they are personally forgoing the standards of the LDS church simply because the institution they chose to attend lacks those standards? Couldn't we say those utah's LDS student athletes went against their religion long before a BYU student athlete that plays professional sports on Sunday? Who apostacized first?

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It is just speculation as to what would have happened in the MVC had stayed the same. However it is safe to bet if Utah had not joined the PAC-12 Conference many of the following would not have happened, certainly not in the three year span; the football training center, the outdoor tennis complex, the softball complex, and a track. Nor the planning for a basketball training center, possible Huntsman Center renovation, or Rice Eccles expansion. Utah would never have been able beat the number 5 ranked football team in SLC nor would we have been able to schedule Michigan for a football game at Rice Eccles in '05. In addition because of the academic prestige and emphasis of the PAC-12 the U might not have gotten; the James L. Sorenson Molecular Biotechnology building, the S.J. Quinney College of Law building, the school of dentistry, the business school center, nor the Student Life Center.

I am so grateful Utah did not stay in the MWC!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Utah Trojan--

"Im a lifelong USC Trojan fan living here in Utah. It always drove me crazy listening to the Ute fans talk about how there program was 1 of the best in the country. That they didnt get any respect. I still remember when Utah joined the Pac12 my Ute fan buddies started already counting the national championships and rose bowls. I told them to look at Wash St, Oregon St, and Arizona, look at there history that is what Utah will be. Thats not a bad thing but all Utah can do is hope for a magical season every once in a while. There is no way they will complete year in and year out. Its just too hard. FYI: Arizona in PAC- No Rose Bowls 1 shared title, OSU 3 Rose Bowls since 1941 last in 1965, and WSU 3 Rose Bowls since 1931. Its a joke to think you can come right in and start winning. Nice to have Ute fans served some humble pie! FIGHT ON SC!"

Evidence supporting your claim regarding what U-Fans allegedly proclaimed? I'm a U-Alumnus/-Fan & I NEVER once heard such tripe, EVER!

ciokenoo
Logan, UT

Man, if only. Us Aggies would love nothing more than to have a shot against our admittedly more bigger name brothers in conference play.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ BlueHusky

TCU has 2 national titles.

Also, with BYU's schedule next year, 12-0 will not get the Cougs anywhere near the playoffs.

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