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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 28 2014 8:20 p.m. MST

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Arizona Reader
Gilbert, AZ

The real loser here was the Mountain West. Had they moved earlier on expanding to 12 by adding Boise, Fresno, and either Nevada OR Tulsa (so TCU had a partner) they might have been able to hold off the destroying of the Conference.

Being a BYU fan, I am still mixed about Independence, other than that we play a way better schedule and can watch all the games on TV. Had the Mountain West put together a better TV deal then I might still want that. Not a fan of the WCC...I guess most of all, just sad that we under perform each year.

worf
Mcallen, TX

I have no problem with independence and making your own schedule. It would be nice, but I really don't care about a national championship either, or being impressive to the sports world.

The older I get, the less I care of what people think. There's happiness in that.

That said. I enjoy watching cougar football, and winning more games than those lost.

PAC12Fan
South Jordan, UT

Is it better t have loved and lost than to never have loved at all? My Utes are still freshmen but they will get better as they are getting the majority of the best local talent and are improving.

Most cougar fans would love to be in The Pac 12.

Don't hate us for being in the Conference of Champions. I wish BYU were in the conference as well. Mostly to learn the humility we have been feeling.

ldsands
Logan, UT

Biggest winner of this realignment, USU. After 50+ years of being kept out of good conferences only because Utah and BYU didn't want us now we finally have arrived in a good conference. Who know maybe someday we'll do what Utah did at the Sugar bowl. Also now we have good teams to compete against in basketball and the the better recruits... It's a good time to be an Aggie!

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"What if Boise State, BYU, TCU and Utah had all stayed in the Mountain West?"

It would've been a competitive conference for several years with very little revenue compared to the big conferences, and thus would probably have the top schools fluctuate over time and probably not stand up to the big conferences year after year.

danielbd
salt lake city, UT

To those who are arguing that Utah is happier as a small fish in a big pond instead of a big fish in a small pond (MWC) are missing the point of the article. The point is that if they had stayed then the MWC would have become a "big pond". Everyone would have been better off, just so long as the TV deal and other MWC idiosyncrasies could have been worked out, which my guess is that they could have been. Point being, Utah traded long term success, power, and long term money for short term money and a very long and uphill to any success (case in point, ASU and Arizona joined the pac-8 to make it the pac-10 in 1978. ASU one rose bowl, Arizona none). Its a sad thing.

Big 12 Call Yet?
Ogden, UT

If Boise had a half decent academic program we would probably consider them for a Pac 12 invite.
But the problem is if we did, there isn't another good team anywhere in the western united states that would be worthy of making it the pac 14.

LovelyDeseret
Gilbert, AZ

Each of the teams have a lot more money now. BYU has its own football network. Utah is the 39th ranked college football franchise. TCU is retaking control of the Dallas/Ft. Worth market, and Boise State has name recognition.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

"is everyone really better off than if they would have stayed in the MWC?"

Considering Utah's brand new softball stadium, track complex, football facility, future basketball facility, the upcoming Huntsman Center renovations, the upcoming football stadium expansion, and the parade of great schools Utah gets to compete against every season in every sport, I would say yes. Utah is much better off.

Go Utes!

WSUfan
Farmington, UT

The article doesn't touch on the $$$ the programs are now earning. That's what it is really all about. Would it be better for the U and the Y? No. The PAC-12 TV deal and the ESPN agreement for the Y mean they have a future. If the football world turns into a BCS 4 conference 16 team world, as some think will happen, most of the MWC will be destitute because those 64 teams will gobble up all the dollars. Boise may find a place, San Diego State too because of its location, but the rest will become paupers. They did the right thing for survival, but it's not a world I really admire where schools constantly sell their academic souls for college football.

Go Cats!

GilmerTexasCougar
Gilmer, TX

While I can't blame Utah for accepting the invitation to join the PAC-12, I don't think there is any doubt that all four schools would be much better off if all had remained in the MWC. So the culprit is Utah, since the Utes started the avalanche.

Coog Fan in Spokane
Spokane, WA

Money is driving college football; teams and conferences pursue the best deal possible.

Money is driven by advertising dollars, which in turn is driven by the number of TV screens. Considering that the greater LA area alone probably has several more times the number of TV screens than the entire MWC area, even with TCU, the MWC was destined to lag far, far behind in the money game.

I can't blame Utah for jumping at the chance to join the PAC 12, and can't blame their fans for being excited about it. I wish my Cougars were given the same chance.

What I'm happy about is being able to see every BYU football and basketball game. Not too many years ago we had to sit in a church building and hope we could maintain the sattelite feed for most games.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

BYU, BSU, TCU, and Utah all improved their position in 2010. In terms of who came out "smelling the prettiest," I would rank it 1) Utah, 2) TCU, 3) BYU, 4) BSU. If you include the other sports, especially basketball, then I would have to rank BYU last, because it sucks being in the WCC. It is a no win situation. BYU definitely took a step backward in basketball. I am not ashamed to admit that I am envious of Utah's admission to the PAC 12. With a little time they will be competitive and maybe compete for the conference title on occasion in both basketball and football.

In a conference, you have the motivation of a conference championship. You don't have that with independence.
But there is no question BYU is better off now than they were with the MWC under MWC's terms, but there a lot of things about independence that leaves a bitter taste in this fan's mouth.

Flames6
North Salt Lake, UT

I get what Sir Robin is saying, he just said it in an awkward way. Utah wasn't really relevant in football until 1994 compared to other teams in the WAC/Mountain West. It took a minute to find enough athletes and a coaching change to really put them over the top. I don't know if Utah needs a coaching change or not (they might) but I see similarities to the past with catching up with the competition. Utah caught Colorado State and BYU and San Diego State and they are catching Oregon State, UCLA, and Cal now. They've gone from having no chance to being one possession away in almost every basketball game in 2 1/2 years. I'm a fan and I'll go whether the Utes are top or bottom of the league. I think the future is bright up on the hill. I'm not so sure for Provo.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

"What if Boise State, BYU, TCU and Utah had all stayed in the Mountain West?"

That's easy - Boise State, BYU, TCU and Utah would all be better off than they are now. All four programs are now completely irrelevant on a national level.

golfrUte
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@ gilmertexascougar

Are you saying byu would not have joined the PAC12 if invited? Of course they would. Any of the four schools in this article would have done the exact same thing as Utah and let the chips fall where they may.

The only culprit is the ever changing landscape of college sports, conferences, television and ultimately money to finance athletic departments.

Saying Utah is the culprit is a cop out.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Honestly this is not a question I ever even think about. Why would any of them want to be back in the mwc? To me it is a no brainer for all 3 that left, not even worth considering.

worf
Mcallen, TX

@PAC12Fan:

I may be alone on this, but I have no desire of BYU being in the PAC12. None!

I would be super disappointed if they did. Money is not worth it.

Ronald Uharriet
SWun City, Ca.

Nothing is ever impossible. Not probably, maybe, but not impossible.

Utah loves being in a BCS Conference and even if they lose every game in the Pac 12, they would not give up the opportunity of being in a major conference.

The same thing can be said about TCU and the Big 12.

BYU would love to be in a Big Boy Conference but for one reason or another, they don't get the invitation.

Boise State has lost their coach and no longer dominates the MWC.

The MWC is not the power house that it use to be among the mid majors.

Solution: Everyone make compromises and stop acting like Congress. The compromise is with the powers that be which determines who is an automatic qualifier Congress, that if TCU returns to the MWC from the Big 12, and Utah returns to the MWC from the Pac 12, and if BYU returns to the MWC from being an Independent, and if Boise State agrees to stay with the MWC, and the MWC allows each team the right to negotiate their own TV deals, then those said powers must agree to grant the MWC an automatic birth in the play off system.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

We would still be dominating those teams thats for sure. We always won Tcu, boise and utah when we played so we would still be winning all the times in the MWC.

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