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Published: Monday, Jan. 27 2014 4:45 p.m. MST

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cassandove
Tampa, FL

@Sharrona -

1) Romans 8:16-17. It is plainly taught that we may be joint-heirs with Christ; we do not "replace" or "become" God.

2) Latter-day Saints have never denied the eternal nature of our Heavenly Father.

3) Minimize sin? "Minimizing" sin would be allowing it to go on, never being held accountable for it. That is something I love about my faith.

4) The "rule" in the Book of Revelation about not adding to scripture only applies to that book. After all, the Epistles of Paul, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1-3 John, and Jude, were all written AFTER that book. Thus, "adding upon scripture".

5) Jesus appeared as an exalted Man to Saul on the road to Damascus, before he converted and changed his name to Paul... Care to explain what Christ you believe in, if not this heavenly Savior who appeared to this man?

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Some of us leave religion for the simple reason that we realize it is not "true".

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Dennis above is quoting from David Cain.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: happy2bhere, Christian *service”, True
Eph 2:8-10, Verse 10 … created in Christ Jesus for *good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.(God’s elect).

(Jesus) … ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am(ego eimi) ... (John 8:24) Jesus is God incarnate, see Ex 3:14.

RE: 1.96 Standard Deviations. before the Bible ,...8 were saved in Noah’s Ark(a type of Christ), they did not get wet, “the pledge of a good conscience toward God …” (1 Peter 3:21).

But moot, “In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in Various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…”(Heb 1:1-2).

"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John… Luke 16:16. The “Office” of prophet is fulfilled but not personal revelation, Or discernment e.g..

(1 John 4:1).. test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world…..verse 12 No man[JS] hath seen God at any time..

Flashback
Kearns, UT

People looking for fault will always find what they are looking for. The key is to be meek, humble, submissive, become like a child, and listen to and for the spirit.

It's taken me a long time to learn that, and while I still have a long way to go, this is my personal journey. I am responsible for my own salvation. No one else. I believe that I will, "be punished for my own sins and not for Adam's transgression." I also believe that I have the ability to overcome sin by grasping on to Christ's Atonement.

Now to return to my normally contrarian attitude. As I said, people looking for fault will always find what they are looking for. Frankly, they need to get over themselves. Those that want to accuse me of being judgemental for that statement ought to spend time reading Moroni 7.

1.96 Standard Deviations
OREM, UT

sharrona:

---"Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute." (Luke 11:49)

--- "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Genesis 32:30)

--- "[...] And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend" (Exodus 33:11)

--- "But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God" (Acts 7:55)

--- "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written." (John 21:25).

Conclusion: Jesus Christ and God the father are physically separate beings (and even have faces and hands), prophets have spoken with God face to face, Christ himself promised future prophets after him, the Bible itself indicates it does not contain all truth or scripture since not all of Christ's ministry was even written

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Sharrona 1.96 Standard Deviations says it best, but.........

Have you ever considered how that warning about false prophets is worded? It merely warns us of "false prophets". It does not say "no prophets", for their shall be none in the latter days. Why warn of false prophets unless there will also be "true" prophets?

Heb.....in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son. Yup, that is exactly what Joseph Smith testified of.

No man has seen God at any time? Re" 1.96 Standard Deviations above.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

JSB, I agree!

I fully reject the suggestion that our family is discard-able.

It isn't a mere idea. It's people, spouse & children. It's who we are, where we come from, and where we are going. It's the very foundation our entire species is built on and the principle by which we exist. I read in these comments that maturity sometimes means discarding such an old and faulty institution.

You can't value yourself if you don't value the family you created. Family and faith are interconnected, as you pointed out. The entire idea that one can simply change it on demand for a different channel, different flavor, or self-satisfying need... it's barbaric.

The article's 4th point sums it up: When we place "my needs" above "my family's needs", we have no love... only self-love.

There is no growth, development, or intellectual maturity in selfishness.

On the other hand
Riverdale, MD

I disagree with the author of the Relevant article. In a world where pastors are selling a service and congregants are buying it, feeling that you're not being fed, that you don't have a sense of belonging, that you disagree with what's being preached, that your needs aren't being met, or that there is conflict that makes you uncomfortable at church are excellent reasons to take your money elsewhere. If you don't have a particular belief that your pastor is any more divinely ordained than any of dozens of other nearby pastors, you really ought to find the one who is most willing to feed you spiritually (isn't that what pastors do?), help you feel you belong, preach doctrine you agree with, help ensure your needs are being met, and help resolve serious conflict in the church.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

"Bad" reasons to leave a religion?

There are none.

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