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Published: Sunday, Jan. 26 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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bandersen
Saint George, UT

The charade thrown up here should make any reader shudder! How long to we have to hear such nonsense?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Warning Warning

Major conniption fit imminent accompanied by blown gaskets.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

A DNews article suggesting a carbon tax, an easing of anti-union laws, a financial speculation tax, and government investment in energy development.

Amazing!

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Climate change? The climate is always changing, always has and always will and there is nothing you or I can do about it because we are not causing the changes. Even if we could do something about it, the worst polluters in the world (China and India) won't so we would only be wasting our time and our economy! By the way, the ice on Lake Michigan is more than double what it was last year and the polar ice is increasing rapidly because of increased cold. Climate change is that we are getting cooler, not warmer, at least for now. There is no crisis except in the minds of socialists and need more money (carbon taxes) to advance their socialism!

Jack
Aurora, CO

The gist of this article is that government can solve all problems. Most folks I know of acknowledge that they can't. I see the policies advanced in this article as causing the very issues the writer wants to solve. Propping up the markets with "QE" is only inflating returns and giving a false picture of the economy, thereby causing the so-called income inequality. Those who can afford to play the markets heavily derive the most returns because the market isn't being allowed to do what it does. It's being propped up. Carbon tax? So algorian. Taxing investments will only reduce investments and the US is far from the worlds leader in carbon emissions. You don't get "full-employment" with government jobs, you have to allow the economy to actually recover so employers know what to expect and can grow at real markets needs. Then you get economic recovery, and jobs.

The article is fully discredited, but it does offer a measure of comedic relief.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"the ice on Lake Michigan is more than double what it was last year and the polar ice is increasing rapidly because of increased cold."

Really? You are sincerely going to put forth another "Weather" argument? Haven't you berated those on the left who do that?

While I do believe that humans are contributing greatly to climate change, I would never make a definitive statement as you have done.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

JoeBlow. It was reported on the news yesterday that the amount of ice on lake Michigan is nearly double this year compared to last year as is the amount of polar ice. If you don't believe it check it out for yourself! Do you know how cold it is in much of the US today? Weather is when its colder than usual and "climate change" whenever its warmer than normal somewhere on the planet.

Sensible Scientist
Rexburg, ID

This letter writer is exactly wrong.

What climate change? Really -- what climate change? We had 40 years of decreasing temperatures to 1980, then 18 years of a slight increase, and now 15 years of flat temperatures. So what? Nothing government does could change any of that.

Income inequality exists because people are unequal. They always have been, always will be. The wealthy take nothing away from the poor, so exactly what is the concern? Shouldn't the concern be to help the poor step upwards via a truly free market system -- the only system proven to move people upwards economically.

Government would do better to work on things it can actually change to improve things like spending, taxes, and burdensome and unnecessary rules and red tape.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

One doesn't have to make a definitive statement about anything this article states to know that just because there is a problem doesn't mean we should allow the socialist dreamers to move in, forget the problem, or define some other "pressing" issue so as to redistribute wealth and ruin the very system that allows wealth in the first place! What's next, fixing universal intermittent star implosions? What do people do in their every day work day to come up with this stuff?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Finally - a letter not patronizing or cow-towing the uber-far-right wing.

I find it suspect how the DN chooses to publish it a slow news day Sunday...

Thanks anyway...

freedomingood
provo, Utah

Well in the winter conservatives point out how cold it is locally, proving global climate change is wrong and in the summer they bash and berate anyone with the audacity to suggest the heatwave across entire continents would be connected to man's fossil burning activities.

I predict that when the Koch brothers start selling solar panels, conservatives will AGAIN believe in global warming as they did before the Koch campaign to quell the carbon tax legislation was implemented.

Mitt Romney" I don't speak for the scientific community, of course. But I believe the world's getting warmer. I can't prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that ... so I think it's important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you're seeing.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Freedoms good: Mitt was trying to win an election just like BO. what is next? Stopping the tides from occurring? They are mysterious aren't they? Let's wack the moon in half and forget about the poor, the aborted, millions dying at the hands of despots, and starving children in countries that hate capitalism, the only system the world has ever known to alleviate such trivial, according to the global warming enthusiasts, stuff!

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mtnman,

I am not disputing your claim that the " ice on lake Michigan is nearly double this year compared to last year as is the amount of polar ice"

Nor do I dispute that it is very "cold it is in much of the US today?"

I call that weather. Yes, there are some who erroneously use a hot summer or a record temperature to bolster climate change claims.

I am not one of them. I only look at longer term patters.

We can always find those who use irrelevant data to support their claims. Cant do much about them.

What we CAN do, is to control our own mis-use of information. See the difference?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Mountainman,

I am sure you know the difference between weather in one small part of the world and worldwide climate.

banderson,

No need to conflate the many social ills you describe with climate change. They have little to nothing to do with one another. Nor does a recognition of climate change disparage capitalism. Mitt was being honest and recognizing science. It would have been better for some of his base not to.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

JoeBlow. With all due respect to you and others who believe in man made climate change, I respectfully suggest the long term evidence goes against man made global climate change. I offer as my evidence that in 1999 we were "warned" by what we were told was a "consensus of scientists" (and Al Gore) that in 10 years, there would be no ice left at the poles and the oceans would rise and flood many cities, etc, etc. All these years later, the ice at the poles is actually increasing, (at least for now) and the oceans have not risen to any significant degree. Therefore, the "consensus of scientists" were wrong which is not surprising. Everything we think we know about any science, including climate science, will eventually be proven to be either completely wrong or at least very incomplete. As our grandparent's science is to us, so will our science be to our grandchildren and any scientist who tells us they have the final word on anything is no scientist!

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mtnman. Now, that is a much more reasoned argument.

Admittedly, scientists are certainly wrong quite a bit. But, I have seen nothing to replace it that is not wrong more often. Have you?

"any scientist who tells us they have the final word on anything is no scientist!"

I agree to an extent. But I have seen that claim far more often in a religious context than a scientific one. And been wrong more often.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

My Graduate student son and I were talking last night.
He made an interesting observation.

No high school degree = minimum wage.
High school degree = minimum wage.
College Associate degree = minimum wage.
Bachelor's degree = minimum wage + $5 and hour (or about were minimum wage SHOULD be now - adjusted for inflation).

So --
Where is the incentive to go to College, and go into debt $50,000 - just to earn that someone with no skills and no eduction does?

Even illegal immigratns make more than college grads do today.

Corporations have been irresponsible,
the "Free Market" has failed Society.

It's about high time the Government steps and and regulates wages.

jsf
Centerville, UT

Hear hear comrades. Amazing a skilled blue collar worker can make more than a college graduate. But then that is the Marxist model. Only the bourgeoisie think the college graduate is worth more than the blue collar worker.

No high school degree = minimum wage.
High school degree = minimum wage.
College Associate degree = minimum wage.
Bachelor's degree = minimum wage + $5 and hour

Apparently the capitalist system is working if this is true. Amazing the marxists point to Socialist countries and yet never hold accountable for the uber rich in those countries.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The guy in the picture should be earning more than any stinking CEO, that's for sure.

I agree addressing income inequality needs to be on the top of the political agenda for the next administration

Seriously Open Minded Mormon... the one thing we do NOT need today is the Government regulating wages.

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A picture like this points out one reason we have income inequality. I don't think this guy ended up in his income bracket because of some right-wing conspiracy. It was probably because of some decisions he made in his life.

When we pretend that we can do away with income inequality... we are just lost in political rhetoric and up to our neck in political coolaid.

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