Really amazing rally! The legislature ignores its people at its peril. Thanks to
the Moms and the Docs for the great work they do.
The pollution doesn't bother me. I don't live in the salt lake valley.
It is not a Utah problem. I know it needs to be taken care of but throwing
money at it won't neccesarily fix it.
I often took mass transit living overseas. Here I would have to walk about
three miles to get to a bus stop. I don't want to see higher taxes though.
I would rather the legislature cut spending elsewhere to improve air quality.
We also need to calm down. We only average about 21 days of really
bad air. I'll take SLC over Los Angeles with its year round bad air days.
I recently moved here to Utah in March 2013. Since I have been living here, I
have been experiencing infections that I have never had before I arrived. The
air here is very filthy. I have to wear a mask whenever I go outside. At work
it is even worse, It is filthy and dirty in the post office where I work. I am
now on FMLA because I am fighting an eye infection that was caused by filth in
the air. Where does it end! I have put in a transfer to another state. I
cannot breathe here. I use an air cleaner in my apartment. I hope I can leave
Salt Lake's air has been getting cleaner as the years go by. Exactly what
are these folks protesting? Are they against living in closed valleys? Are
they against high pressure inversions? And how do they propose to fix those?
This is the biggest reason I won't live in Utah. The air pollution. The people are great, the laws are family and business friendly, and it
is beautiful. The respiratory problems are not worth it.I suggest Salt Lake Valley and Utah Valley buy out all factories and stop more
from being built. Next make the air pollution fines outrageous and exponential.
For the good of the people.
Did they all drive to get there today?
I grew up in Cedar City, before moving to Salt Lake. I can certainly second the
fact that rural Utah doesn't need, and shouldn't have to pay for
change. However the Wasatch front desperately does, and with most
of the states population it certainly makes sense to use limited taxes to help
support it. Much of the cost to the state of reducing pollution
could easily be financed through directed taxes that will also reduce pollution
and help reduce economic externalities. For example imposing a gas tax in
counties that suffer from heavy pollution, and indexing that tax to inflation
would both provide money to finance affordable transit, improve roadways to
reduce congestion, and give incentives for people to choose more fuel efficient
vehicles and car pool. The size of the tax could be based on the level of
pollution in each county and adjusted annually as needed with a 6-12 month phase
in. We know most of our pollution comes from motor vehicles, and
peoples choices on fuel efficiency is directly related to the price of gas.
Come on legislature this is not rocket science!
Unless you would like to demolish the mountains on each side of the valley, we
will always have winter inversions. That is what you get when you settle in a
The air pollution is the reason our family moved away from Salt Lake City also,
and will never move back to the front range because of the health problems it
caused us when we lived there.
As much as idealistic people think mass transit is the answer, people just
won't take it. Our cities weren't built for it. People won't
wait for a bus. Trax is nice in downtown if you work there but what if you
don't? Taxing people won't make one bit of difference.
If we have people in the valley, we are going to be fighting pollution.
If air pollution did exist, it would cost jobs to get rid of it.However, there is no such thing as air pollution in a capitalist nation.Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity as well as Conservatives on
Drudge have said so.Only communist, socialist, anti religious China
has air pollution.Why would Conservatives try to get rid of
something that doesn't exist?
Why, in the previous comments, are people talking about raising taxes to stop
pollution? What is needed is legislation and sensible permitting of businesses
to improve air quality.Yes the inversions will always be here, but the
pollution that builds up because of these inversions is the issue. What it was
like in the past is irrelevant. Air monitoring, now, is saying that there are
currently unhealthy levels of pollution periodically, this is what needs to be
Why should it cost money ?A tough ruling on filters and preventive
measures in private and industrial sectors will do.The scientific
evidence is lacking also. As far as we can see on these articles.It is not
a helpless situation. Question is who keeps quiet and for what reason !
Isn't 10 years taken off your life a "big deal"???
'Dr. Kent Di Fiore, an oncologist with Utah Cancer Specialists, said lung
cancer used to be limited to smokers, but is now being diagnosed in Utahns with
"frightening regularity."'I wonder if the good doctor
can explain this discrepancy: According to the latest data from the National
Cancer Institute, Utah has the lowest lung cancer rate in the nation -- and
it's not even close. In addition, the data show the incidence rate is
decreasing; it fell by 0.8% during the last data period of 2006-2010.What is more interesting is that Cache, Davis, and Utah counties have
incidence rates which are significantly lower than the state average, despite
their propensity to have high particulate pollution.Dr. Di Fiore may
be seeing lung cancer cases with "frightening regularity" -- not
surprising, since he is a cancer specialist -- but the actual epidemiological
surveillance data tell a vastly different story.(Curious persons can
Google "State Cancer Profiles NCI" for more information)
Unless we stop driving, stop heating our homes and businesses, and close all of
the manufacturing, refineries, malls, etc. the pollution will continue. Very
few malls are connected to convenient public transportation. One example, from
where I live, it would take over 3 hours to stop by "the mall" to pick
up an item, if I took public transportation. The buses are slow, infrequent,
and frankly, add to the pollution more than they save because the buses are
almost ALWAYS empty. People will not take clunky public transportation in a way
that will even dent pollution. It isn't the answer.I used to
take public transportation to work, but when front-runner started operating, I
stopped. My commute went from 45 minutes each way to an hour and a half. I am
now back on the roads. UTA is a political machine made to support its own
existence, not a vehicle to serve the public, reduce congestion, or reduce
pollution. My bet? I'll bet FrontRunner and Trax have net added to
pollution and congestion (waiting on trains, extra traffic lights, etc.) on the
Was Al Gore at the rally
Had clients in town skiing last weekend. Although they wanted to tour temple
square downtown they refused to come down from the mountains because of the air
pollution. People are begining to view Salt Lake as not just a "Mormon
town" but as a place with terrible air pollution.
No More Houses/Businesses/Industry on the Wasatch Front.The Wasatch
Front air is sick, because of congestion, cars going 75 mph on road to limitless
destinations to get a burger, $Billion dollar road projects in the wrong
locations with sick airshed, and basically very poor planning.Having
the dirtiest air in the nation in the highest birthing area of the nation is
just plain stupid. The cause is sick air is the Wasatch Front Valley Bowl. Our
beautiful Wasatch Mountains created a bowl limiting the amount of people that
can live in its Valley.The carrying capacity of Wasatch Front Valley
airshed has exceeded its natural carrying capacity for people making grandpa,
grandma, mom, dad,children, cats/dogs sick.What is the point of a
deluxe education system, modern buildings, and ipad education if the mothers of
students pull their children from school to literally save their lives because
of dirty air caused by over development along the Wasatch Front Valley?We can see the dirty air we breath. It's time to reduce mph for on the
highways, stop UDOT projects which increase car counts, stop building permits.
Nature created an area which will not tolerate an unlimited population.
I have read several comments about not living in Utah due to the air
pollution.It is not the entire state that has the problem. Many
communities in Utah that are not subject to the inversion caused by a valley
surrounded by mountains do not suffer from this problem.The only way
to completely get rid of the problem would be to level the mountains (think what
that would do to your taxes!).That said, we all can and should work
to idle our cars less, use public transit when we can, and pass laws that make
good compromise between air quality and jobs.
The air is bad. Let's all drive down to the capitol and demand that the
legislature fix it. What an insane idea. There is no billowing
pollution coming from the State capitol. It is all of us creating the pollution.
Get rid of all the people and problem solved.Or, realize we live in
a bowl, and when the air is stagnant, drive less, and don't waste trips
running to the capitol to demand they fix something they can't fix.
"We live here because we love the mountains. We love the scenery here. And
if you can't see it, why stay?"With mountains comes trapped
smog. If you don't like smog, suggest you move to Kansas where Dorothy
lived. The wind will blow the smog away... but perhaps your house as well.@LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ:"I suggest Salt Lake Valley and
Utah Valley buy out all factories and stop more from being built."In which case, unemployed Utahns would have to move to Gilbert. You'd
have to move over to make room.@SLC Philosopher:"Much of
the cost to the state of reducing pollution could easily be financed through
directed taxes..."I'm sure that most Utahns in the valley
would disagree. The state now takes a lion's share of the cost of gas
through taxes as it is."We know most of our pollution comes from
motor vehicles..."Then those people should live closer to their
work. It's just plain stupid to live in Utah Country and drive to Salt
Lake City to work.
@Spydee:"The only way to completely get rid of the problem would be to
level the mountains..."It has been said something to the effect
that... if a person had the faith of a grain of mustard seed they could say to
yon mountain remove yourself and it would be removed. Extremely Cheap way to
solve any pollution problem.Actually, the answer is to put several
huge (really huge) fans in the canyons to the east of town and suck the dirty
air out of the entire valley.And you could put some power generating
windmills in front of the fans to generate the electricity to run them. :)
Either Neanderthal has a sarcastic sense of humor, or he/she doesn't
understand power generation and losses in the system. In using power
to move air, then using the moving air to generate power, there will be a net
loss of power, and where you harvest the remaining energy in the moving air, the
pollution will collect.Maybe point the fans straight up so the winds
aloft can take the pollution away? (I do have a sarcastic sense of humor,
but it is a nice dream.)
@Badgerbadger:"Either Neanderthal has a sarcastic sense of humor, or
he/she doesn't understand power generation and losses in the
system."It would be stupid to not put something in front of the
fans to generate power. Why let moving air go to waste? There is a slight
problem, though. The people up in Park City et. al., would likely have fits
with all that dirty air from the valley passing through their neighborhoods."In using power to move air, then using the moving air to generate
power, there will be a net loss of power, and where you harvest the remaining
energy in the moving air, the pollution will collect."The added
power to make the difference could come from solar panels someplace in the
valley... or maybe the southwest desert where the sun shines alot... and at
night from the moon (there certainly must be some useable energy in
moonbeams)."Maybe point the fans straight up so the winds aloft
can take the pollution away?"Now yer talkin'. But wait...
there ain't no wind aloft in inversions, izer?
I've been in the valley for 2 yrs now and from what I hear from people who
have lived here their whole lives is that it is definitely worse than years ago.
My eyes were burning last week from the pollution, I have an upper respiratory
infection and haven't had one of those in over 20 yrs. One thing I
don't understand is most cities/states have trip lights. How many minutes
do I waste idling at a stop light with nothing coming from either direction.
This annoys me not only for the time I waste (Utah lights are FOREVER LONG) and
for the amount of exhaust pumping into the air.
Washington state implemented an effective program to help reduce pollution
caused by commuting. Google "WSDOT Commute Trip Reduction". Our CTR
program might be worth looking into for ideas that could help Utah as well.