Comments about ‘John Florez: Funds for the unemployed? No thanks’

Return to article »

Published: Saturday, Jan. 25 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

"The governor and legislators should honor the oath and values that are the hallmark of our people — compassion, the dignity of every individual, and to care for each other."

Don't you remember, John? We are to do that as individuals, not as a government. Governments cannot, and should not, be compassionate. That is something for each of us to reach into our heart for.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

Another thoughtful and provocative editorial from John Florez. To many, of course, nothing is more subversive than the truth.

David
Centerville, UT

I can understand Mr. Florez concern that the unemployed are humiliated if they are required to provide service, and if those receiving food stamps are required to submit to a drug test, and other such requirements as detailed in the article.

However, because of past abuses, these requirements have been implemented. This is similar to the myriad tax laws, corporate and environmental regulations, etc. Because of past abuses, regulations are required.

I would encourage political and civic leaders to study the welfare programs of the LDS Church. They are wisely, divinely, designed and carried out. Such principles could be used nationally and within our states.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Another great article by John Florez

I loved this line --
"What about CEOs who take government subsidies? Shouldn’t they also get drug tested and have to do volunteer work?"

Another great example of the rich trampling the poor under their feet.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If people could get control of their government, they could end unemployment and make large reductions in Poverty and Welfare as well as doing away with government scams like Food Stamps, and maybe even Social Security.

Wages paid by business actually pay for all the life sustaining costs of the people in our society. Some of it is the wages, some of it is Charity, some of it is taxes for government programs. The money given by individuals to charity comes from income from business.

Our current economic system if failing to do it's job. Technology, automation and population have given an unfair advantage to businessmen that makes it easier to become a millionaire but also puts more people in poverty. All of which requires the remaining wage earners to support the unemployed, which they are doing a miserable job of.

Businessmen will not give up their advantages voluntarily, so government must step in. If government would hire all unemployed, put them in real jobs, these people could support themselves. And if business were taxed for the cost, there would be an incentive for business to hire more people. And business would Boom.

thunderbolt7
DUTCH JOHN, UT

How does Florez propose that the Federal government pay for extending unemployment benefits? Are democrats willing to cut spending elsewhere to offset the cost of extending unemployment benefits?
Elsewhere in today's Deseret News it says "Utah unemployment rate drops 4.1 percent." 22,500 people found jobs in December. At this rate of job growth, the 66,000 unemployed that Florez is worried about will be employed (if they want) in three months. Something else is unsettling about Florez's comments: why would Governor Herbert not accept FREE money? Are we getting the entire story? Are there strings attached? Is there a downside? When North Carolina cut maximum unemployment benefits from 73 weeks to 20. Over the next five months, the state's unemployment rate fell from 8.8 percent to 7.4 percent -- more than four times better than the progress registered at the national level.
Eliminating the subsidy for not working inspired many people in North Carolina to more earnestly seek jobs and accept positions they had previously shunned.

Wonder
Provo, UT

@watchman -- Yes, we are supposed to individually be compassionate. Not to single you out, but since you believe this one on one compassion works best, I'm curious how many unemployed people you are personally supporting. Or how many uninsured people you are paying the medical care for. $100 a month or whatever in fast offerings doesn't go very far. 50 people paying $100 in fast offerings doesn't go very far. Government is the way we collectively (through our representatives) take care of some of the largest needs that people have. Of course we personally still, in addition, donate casseroles to the sick and, if we're LDS, our fast offerings. That helps a lot, but it won't cover all the needs that people have unfortunately. That's why these government programs came to being in the first place. One on one charity just wasn't doing enough.

David
Centerville, UT

I own a very small business. I smile when people propose that government should force business to hire more people, and that this will somehow be better for the business. It is very obvious that these suggestions come from someone that has never, most likely, owned or ran a business.

Owning a business requires a business plan. It requires careful management of resources. It requires plan modifications, adaptation, training, managing budgets, and so much more. There is very little room for surplus, including surplus employees.

Having too many employees affects the moral of all. It affects the bottom line. It affects the quality of service the business provides.

Liberals love to have government exert controls over every aspect of the economy (or so it seems). Fortunately, we have already seen what happens when that happens. A study of recent history reveals failed economies when government controls are excessive.

Freedom is essential to a thriving, growing economy.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

"So, where’s the compassion when we have politicians proposing to cut off unemployment checks to the unemployed so they will go find work..."

We should cut off the unemployment checks to those who prefer to sit at home rather than go out and look for work. Or have more babies to get more welfare. And there are some.

"...or require the poor to take a drug test in order to obtain food stamps or welfare..."

Food stamps and welfare are to cover living expenses not to provide drug money.

"...and make them do volunteer work as a way to pay back for feeding at the government trough?"

Nothing wrong with asking something in return. The government did it years ago with the CCC and WPA programs.

Alfred
Phoenix, AZ

"What about CEOs who take government subsidies? Shouldn’t they also get drug tested and have to do volunteer work?"

CEOs are not taking subsidies to pay for living expenses. If they are taking subsidies at all it's to provide opportunities for business growth and employment.

@Ultra Bob
"If people could get control of their government, they could end unemployment and make large reductions in Poverty and Welfare"

The way to end unemployment is two-fold: (1) Stop illegal immigration and (2) move jobs back home from overseas. How do you stop illegal immigration? Enforce E-verify. How do you move jobs back home? For one thing, stop pushing minimum wage increases.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Alfred.

The only way to stop illegal immigration and move jobs back home is to make American wage earners cost less than foreign wage earners. E-verify doesn't work and Prohibiting minimum wages might work but is not likely to happen. In order to bring American wages down to the level of foreign workers is to lower the American standard of living. Lowering the standard of living for the American people would probably bring on a revolution war.

The only way to keep the American standard of living is if business can be forced to support the American society in a better, more effective way. American business is already doing it now but with too much waste and unfair treatment.

Alfred
Phoenix, AZ

@Ultra Bob:
"The only way to stop illegal immigration and move jobs back home is to make American wage earners cost less than foreign wage earners."

Two separate issues. Illegal immigration can be stopped with E-verify. Will this administration or the Republicans enforce it? No, Hispanics have become a significant enough voting bloc to affect any negative immigration action.

Can we move jobs back from overseas? Not likely. Foreigners are not so dumb as to give up jobs easily.

"In order to bring American wages down to the level of foreign workers is to lower the American standard of living."

Will never happen as long as the government can borrow money to pay welfare benefits to maintain a relatively stable living standard.

"Lowering the standard of living for the American people would probably bring on a revolution war."

Not if the standard of living is brought down slowly.

"The only way to keep the American standard of living is if business can be forced to support the American society in a better, more effective way. American business is already doing it now but with too much waste and unfair treatment."

What?

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments