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Published: Friday, Jan. 24 2014 7:55 p.m. MST

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The Reader
Layton, UT

There is another option that is not mentioned. Leaving the Prison where it is and building another smaller prison at another site in Utah. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

If more capacity is needed build another prison somewhere in the state to cover the expected increase in prison population. It would be cheaper, but it would mean the real estate agents that are looking to make a killing selling the land on which the present prison sits would not make the killing they want to make. That is the real reason there is any talk of moving the prison.

It is time to call a spade a spade!!

Another thought just hit me. Move the prison, but have the state sell the property without the help of real estate agents. With all the money made by selling the land put back into the fund to rebuild the new prison. Thus the sale of thee land could pay for the moving of the prison.

With so many real estate agents and their cronies in the legislature I do not expect either of my suggestions to have a snowballs chance in ----! :-)

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

I agree with The Reader, and I was thinking the same thing. Where is the plant that is the least expensive and most logical by keeping the prison where it is, and building a new, smaller facility that can be expanded incrementally or expanding the prison in Gunnison? It just seems that they are determined to grab that land are presenting the public with nothing but expensive options which seem to have more than doubled in price over the last two years. Also, where is the Utah Taxpayer Association? They usually make a big stink about boondoggles like this, but they have been absolutely silent. The oppose just about every $5 million dollar project being proposed. You would think they would say something about $1 billion tax payer dollars being wasted for a land grab. It makes you wonder if they are based in Draper or they are being run by someone who lives in Draper. It is the only explanation for their silence.

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

There was an option 5 listed at the end of the article where most people would pass over this option. Option 5, let is where it is for the next 50 years meaning this location is viable and chaperon for a longer period of time than the governor is telling us. If the state is eager to develop there is also a 6th option, move development outside the Wasatch front to other depressed areas of the state that needs it.

Number 1, 2, 3, and 4 development plans will be catastrophic to the particulate pollutions on the I-15 river of death corridor at a time when air contamination is critical to deadly in northern Utah.

With the economic depression and recession and poverty the people of Utah are facing for the next 20+ years. Probable loss of health care services becasue of Obamacare the population and economic business collapse, development should be put on hold until the economy begins to recover and poverty and wages become middle class conditions.

Prison relocation could be an economic disaster. Cost now and cost in the future are irrelevant if the state air quality becoming even worse with proximity development at the prison site.

Jane B
Portland / Clackamas, OR

The options were not well explained in this article.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

This idea, moving the prison, is a scam of the Utah taxpayers. Rebuild the prison on site using vacant lots, parking lots, quads or whatever open space is available. Cost of land is free, no one is relocated. The rebuild would/could incorporate latest technology, etc..

There isn't any computer corridor for development, others have pushed that idea only to complain of the air quality for high tech manufacturing products.

If you relocate prisoners to county jails, you have increased cost of staff and space, only to move the prisoners back to the new site if and when completed. Smaller towns do not have the population to draw from for more staff and certainly do not have the medical services available that will be required by applicable federal guidelines for the prisoners.

I am totally opposed to this boondoggle.

skibird
Spanish Fork, UT

They keep talking about all the tax revenue that these mythical companies will bring in, if those companies wanted in so bad why not buy the land around Adobe/Thanksgiving Point that is for sale? The answer is they know any company moving in after buying the prison property will receive tax incentives and tax breaks for a number of years. Right off the top the $$ numbers they say will save the tax payers from paying the prison move are gone.

This entire plan is just a way for the Legislature to make themselves and their friends money. When a new prison is built all members of the Legislature that voted to move the prison should have to agree that they are responsible for all costs above the the property sale, otherwise they are residents of the new prison they insisted be built.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I still have not heard a compelling reason for moving the prison that benefits the taxpayers and the justice system. Or the inmates and their families.

Everything so far, usually unspoken, indicates that the beneficiaries will be the big real estate developers who stand to make huge profits from redeveloping the land for commercial use. I do not oppose such a use for the land, but am adamantly opposed to the developers profiting instead of the taxpayers.

We should insist on not just a "no cost to the taxpayers to move the prison" but a full fledged 50-50 split of ALL profits derived from the old site for the next 50 years. The land will only get more valuable and desirable if nothing is done, so if we don't get a good enough deal now, the taxpayers will benefit from a delay, even if the developers do not.

Frankly, this whole idea of moving the prison seems to have sprung up in secret, for the benefit of a select few, who seem to remain veiled in secrecy. We need a lot more sunshine on this scheme, and who is behind it.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Prisons are an unnecessary and cruel system anyway. Why not apply home confinement more widely for current prisoners who are not such a threat to society.

There is not justification for permanent prisons housing thousands of people found anywhere in scripture. When prison is mentioned it is also where prophets and apostles end up in wicked societies: Joseph, Peter, John, Jesus Christ, Paul, Joseph Smith, Hyrum Smith; false accusations still occur and go unpunished.

terra nova
Park City, UT

Prison reform isn't a bad idea.

But if it is time to move the prison is at hand, put it out in Tooele County to help offset the economic losses they've endured over the past few years.

Those who advocate letting government sell the land and cutting out all private parties like Realtors or anyone else... get a grip. Have you ever seen government do anything efficiently? Besides, the value of the land in Draper/Bluffdale would probably pay for a new prison elsewhere.

Move the prison, but work toward the kind of prison reform that will effectively remove some of the burden from the state.

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