R. Mortensen, Thanks for clarifying that. We should not be surprised
that a democrat is masquerading as an independent. They do it a lot in Utah.
If Mr. England is an independent voter (neither I nor any other independent
voter has any say whatsoever in their caucus elections) he must have changed his
party affiliation since his voter registration records, along with those of 1.5
million other Utahns, were posted to the internet. According to the internet
site utvoters, which has a list of all registered Utah voters and their party
affiliations, Mr. Richard Breck England, Bountiful, Utah was registered as a
Democrat as of June 19, 2013. In addition, Mr. England was the
Democrat candidate for the state Senate in District 23 in 2012. (His campaign
website is still up and available for view).
You haven't read Count My Vote. See lines 305 to 308. If you can't
vote in a GOP primary now, you won't be able to vote in it Under Count My
Vote, it will just cost all of us more money.
The Republican Party went defunct in the election of 2012. Like the Federalist
Party, which went defunct in the election of 1800, Republicans will pretend they
are still there for some time, but the Democrats will discover trying to prop up
Republicans with political figures like Chris Christie to pretend there is still
a two-party system will only result in further disappearance of the Republican
Party. We are back to one party control of the kind that controlled the United
States from 1800 until 1828. The problem Democrats have in that configuration
is that they are a small minority of Americans. By the end of this year,
independent voters will outnumber all party members in the United States. Independent voters need to be honest with themselves. Party primaries pertain
to political parties and their attempt to perpetuate themselves as national
parties, something similar to national parties like the Nazis, Fascists,
Communists, etc. in European government. If independent voters cannot regain
what they once had, direct access to the general election ballot, these corrupt
little self-created societies will continue to control the American government.
@2BitsWell, lets look at a recent election and see if you therory holds
true. Look at the last race for Attorney General. You had John Swallow, whom we
already had information about indicating he was, at best, a very shady
character, and at worst a criminal(thanks to the City Weekly). On the other hand
you had Dee Smith, a former seminary teacher, 2011 county attorney of the year
according to law enforcement, and not a shady guy. Swallow KILLED him, garnering
64% of the vote. The only place with political balance in this state is Salt
Lake County, 27 of the other counties will vote republican no matter what the
republican candidate does, and 1 of the counties(summit) will always vote
democrat. Just look at all of Utah's elections, you could be Jesus or
Mother Theresa but if you have that D next to your name it's the kiss of
death in Utah politics. Regardless of your qualifications.
Kent, Really? Republicans are in the minority in Utah?Republicans may be a minority, but "Conservatives" most definitely are
not in the minority.Many Independents also agree with Republicans on
many things. So they end up voting Republican a lot of the time as well.
That's probably why the Utah legislature is so full of Republicans.===Remember... we don't get to vote for every person in
the Utah Legislature, just the ones that represent our area. So you have to
take local demographics into account. How many Utah communities are Democrat
strongholds? Not many.Republicans may be a minority in a few
districts, but when combined with Independents and general
"Conservatives"... they are the majority in many districts. So
naturally Utah has more Republicans elected to the Legislature.It's not a conspiracy... it's just demographics.Like it
or not... many Utah communities are still very VERY Conservative.Independents ARE wanted, they are NEEDED by Republicans. Democrats like Jim Matheson understood that, and appealed to Independents (not
just Democrats). Democrats should learn from Jim Matheson. Don't be so
hard-core on the Democrat positions that offend most Utahns, and we might elect
In response to the shouters' question, I ask what the Republicans are
afraid of. They are in the minority in Utah. They just act like they represent
the majority. Are they afraid that allowing everyone to vote for candidates will
eliminate extremists like Mike Lee?
Noodlekaboodle,Just because Democrats nominate such bad people that they
can't win an election in Utah... isn't a reason to let the same people
(Democrats) also pick the REPUBLICAN candidates!Do you see my
logic?Why would Republicans want DEMOCRATS picking their candidates?
When Democrats obviously pick candidates that are out of touch with most
Utahns??==Republicans don't mind independents
participating. Many registered Republicans actually consider themselves to be
somewhat independent.But why would any Republican want Democrats picking
their candidates (with the track record Democrat selected candidates are
having)?Do you see where we're coming from?===I don't think it's Republican's place to pick the
Democrat nominees. Why do you think it's Democrat's job to pick the
Republican nominees??I don't get it... but if you really think
that makes sense... register as a Republican and vote. But don't expect
Republicans to be receptive to a Democrat in their caucus meeting blathering
about how bad Republicans are... or let a Democrat take over the discussion.Democrats would be offended if a Republican walking into their caucus
meeting and tried to take over and get HIS candidates nominated.
As the letter points out, why are our taxes being used to pay for the
Republicans' "private" election? If they want to hold a election
for their private club, why on earth don't they pay for it themselves?
Really what count my vote is about is allowing the media to choose the
candidates. Their bias will be what decides for voters. Caucuses
allow citizens to actually meet the candidates and ask the questions that are
important to them. Count my vote proponents don't want voters to know who
they are voting for.
To everyone asking why someone would want to vote in the republican primaries
it's not that hard of an answer to find. If a politician in Utah is running
in a race that isn't in Salt Lake or Summit county the republican primary
is the election. If you live in Utah County the republican is a guaranteed win.
Why wouldn't someone want to vote for the person who actually will be
Being "independent" doesn't prevent you from participating.Just register and participate!I consider myself
"Independent". But I agree with Republicans on enough things that I
end up voting for them most of the time, so I just signed up and participate.
You aren't signing an oath to vote Republican from then on, or to always
support their agenda or their candidates.There are many
"Independents" who register Republican.Just because you are
a little independent... doesn't mean you can't register and
participate, campaign and vote for whoever you want.I tend to vote
for some Republicans, some Democrats, and some independents every election.
Doesn't mean I can't register Republican.===We
need to quit whining "I'm an independent so I'm oppressed".
You are lucky! You can do anything you want (that's what being
"independent" means)! Registering Republican doesn't commit you to
vote for that party or their candidate from then on. That's just silly.But if you hate Republicans and DISAGREE with them on everything... why
would you EXPECT them to agree with you... or YOU to be able to pick their
candidates for them??
You can always vote in the Democratic primary.
You can always register Republican and vote Independent.
Why would anyone claim the right to select REPUBLICAN candidates if they were
not registered Republicans? Each of us is free to join any political party, or
to choose not to join any political party. No one forces us to be Democrat,
Republican or Independent. That is left to each of us. Those who are
Independents have decided that they do not agree with the platform of either the
Democrats or of the Republicans. They want something different than what is
being offered. Why then should the Republicans allow them to enter their caucus
and distort the platform being presented with foreign views? Independents have the right (and responsibility) to promote an Independent
candidate whose views match their own. They have the right (and responsibility)
to promote their views to the rest of us. They do not have the right to demand
that we open our doors and allow them to vote on the Republican ticket until
non-republicans are also on the ticket. That happens in the general election,
not in the caucus and not in the primary election.
In one state where we lived, registered independents could vote in either the
republican or the democratic primary. Fears about folks crossing the line to
vote against the strongest candidate in the party they did not like were
unfounded. It was a great system and encouraged folks to consider the person
over the party.
Agreed.So much for being able to vote for the PERSON, and not the