@Tom in CA "Show me a team that has lost 5 games by only 13
points, and I will show you a loser. I think Bobby Knight said something like
that. Not sure."You are the only one that has written that exact
quote. I'm sure.@worf"Utes not good enough for
the PAC. Sorry."Utah and BYU both have four losses in their
conferences. Based on your "logic" BYU must not be good enough to be in
the #10 rated conference.To all Ute-haters, Utah has improved with
the current coaching staff and have an outstanding class coming in next year.
There is only one senior on the team and he comes off the bench. The Utes are
long and athletic and will continue to improve. The Utes have always been the
state of Utah's flagship basketball program and will continue to be.
Utes not good enough for the PAC.Sorry.
I'm not claiming a moral victory because this years Utah team is beyond
that however out of the road games the Utes have played so far, this was their
best offensive effort. Good all around scoring and more than two guys were
aggressive shooting the ball.I agree with an above comment that poor
free throw shooting really hurt the Utes in this game. The next game against AZ
is going to be a huge test. I just hope it doesn't get too ugly. This team continues to improve through both their wins and losses.
Hopefully some of the other players can continue to grow and get more confidence
shooting. I'm not sure what has happened with Parker Van Dyke, but he
hasn't been able to find his shot all season.Go Utes!
Show me a team that has lost 5 games by only 13 points, and I will show you a
loser. I think Bobby Knight said something like that. Not sure.
poyman, a correction for you, as well. Utah's senior (singular) is 1-1
Can someone please tell me why the majority of the comments on this University
of Utah article are posted by the fan base of a WCC team? Smack talk about a
team that dominated your team from start to finish? What team just lost to the
Portland Pilots? Are the Portland Pilots really an NCAA D1 team? So what if they
just beat Gonzaga, they also lost to North Texas and Montana State. There is a
reason why the WCC is rated the #10 conference.Despite their jealous
fan base, I still hope BYU can beat Gonzaga tomorrow. Go Aggies! Beat SDSU. Go
Utes against #1 Arizona! This is a great weekend for college basketball in the
state of Utah.
poyman,oh, it's that portland. the one that lost to north texas
state and montana state at home. thanks for the clarification.by the
way, thanks for stopping by to visit yet another utah thread. we appreciate
your intense interest and support of all things Utah.
1-20 on the road in the PAC; 2-26 overall on the road since joining the PAC.Besides Washington over a year ago on Jan 19, 2013, the only other team
the Utes have beaten on the road in the last three seasons is Texas St on Nov
Look at it this way... the utes can only get better on the road... That seems to
be in-line with the other comments who talk about an improved ute team...The most that the utes can lose on the road this year is 11 plus one
tournament game... Good thing that Hill didn't schedule anymore than 11
games on the road... You have to admit the guy knows what he's doing.
Really wanting to make y'all feel better about your teams 5th consecutive
road loss this year but I guess I failed...I have to isswue some
corrections to some of your comments howevere:@uu... The West Coast
Conference is the one with Gonzaga, Saint Mary's, BYU and Portland in it
(Portland is the same team that took on (then #1) Michigan State in East Lansing
earlier this year and led with 10 minutes left to go in the game... They are
also the team that beat Gonzaga two weeks ago and eked out a triple overtime win
against #38 RPI BYU last night)... Portland State, Weber State, Sac State and I
believe Cal Northridge are four teams in the Big Sky... Two of which whipped
Coach K's team on the utes home floor last year...@seniors 1-4
against BYU... Pepperdine is a #117 RPI, Utah is a 129 RPI and Portland is a 134
RPI with a SOS far better than the utes... In fact if the utes were in the WCC
they would have the weakest SOS in the league and their RPI would be 8th (with
the last 3 WCC teams close behind).
@ CougarSunDevil "to say even a middle of the PAC 12 team could clean the
clock of any WCC team is simply wrong. What say you?"I
didn't see any Utah fans making that claim, maybe I missed something.
However, given BYU is 1-2 against the lower end of the PAC 12 in basketball and
0-2 against the PAC in football it leads me to believe the Y, at best, could
perform about as well as Utah if they were in the P12 conference.Not
only did Utah beat BYU in both sports, they have a better record against PAC12
teams in both sports... which begs the question "why so many BYU fans on
this thread slinging mud at Utah when your team is clearly not better?
The one gripe I have: I will never say officials "lost" a game for a
team, or were "one-sided" because that is entirely homerism and just an
excuse; but last night was just terribly inconsistent. Very similar plays to
each other (and they affected both teams) were blocking fouls one possession,
charges the next, and no calls on others. The rule "clarifications" this
year seem like they affect the officials' performances more so than the
players and coaches.
So if losing close games is really winning, being competitive and improving then
what is a close win? say by 2 points, is it really a loss and signs of
declining, not being competitive? I don't get it. For me a W is a W and an
L is an L can't spin it any other way.
The Utes are a young team and even though the close losses are
disappointing--Coach K has really turned the ship around from the Boylen era.
Good things are on the horizon for this team. I believe it has been a good
season so far and it is nice seeing the Utes be competitive again.
@1 of 20 on the road"This will be a brutal year for the utes."They've lost five games by a combined margin of 13... brutal is two
years ago when I'd laugh at UNC-Asheville (or whichever it was) being
favored by about a dozen and thinking that's not nearly high enough (and it
wasn't, I think they lost by 20).
ASU also lost to Miami, they are an awful team, the Pac is mediocre no matter
how you spin it.
Simply can't win on the road, disappointing
"BYU fan smack talk is like Justin Beiber calling Bruno Mars a punk."You'll understand that I have absolutely no common frame of
reference for this comment since I'm older 12 years old. I certainly agree
that there is hypocrisy from BYU fans, but I notice that I haven't heard
many (I haven't really heard any but I want to give some the benefit of the
doubt) Ute fans agree that there is hypocrisy by Ute fans. Plus, what would you
expect? Every fan wants their team to be the best out of everyone. Why
wouldn't they? It's their team. They should cheer them on and want
them to be number 1. ASU fans do. Ute fans do. Why can't BYU fans? Also,
why would fans demean a team based on the size of their gym? Do you think
Gonzaga is terrible? St. Mary's? I dare say the WCC is a better conference
than most give them credit for. I also think the PAC 12 is better, but to say
even a middle of the PAC 12 team could clean the clock of any WCC team is simply
wrong. What say you?
(Sung to the tune of Annie)1st verse - 2011"We'll be PAC-12 relevant, next year.Bet your bottom dollar
that, next year, we will countJust thinkin' about, next
year.Clears away the disappointment and sorrowtil there's
none.relevancy, relevancy, I love ya!relevancy, you're only a
year away!"2nd verse (same as the first) - 20123rd verse
(same as the first) - 20134th verse (same as the first) - 2014etc.
nampa aggieyour definition of a good team must be losing to air
force or a pathetic pacific team at home, or maybe it's that 11 point loss
to BYU.... the same team Utah beat by 17. A well thought out post nampa, good
I was embarrassed walking out of WFA last night....And this is coming from a
life-long ASU season ticket holder....ASU basketball is historically a complete
joke and, as we continue trending back up, this is one team we should never lose
to again, beginning w/their return-trip up there to S.L.C. next month....Like
byu [national leader in tourney appearances w/out ever reaching the final
four]/utah state/weber state/gonzaga, etc., ASU has never reached the final four
and quite frankly never will....Not even w/James Harden could ASU do squat,
reaching the tourney only once w/him, winning merely one game....Jahii
Carson's a great talent, yet likely won't ever dance!Coach
K's essentially only in YR-2 of his rebuilding process and this type of an
embarrassment is the direct result of having such a young/inexperienced team,
w/our core group constituted primarily of sophomores.We'll be
fine, going forward....It's amazing how quickly we've put our single
worst season in our proud/storied program's history in '11-'12
behind us and we still have more than 1/2 of our conference games ahead of us!
@ CougarSunDevil "it seems to me the standard at Utah is "Well, we lost
again, but at least we didn't lose like BYU lost"If you
read Utah fan's posts in their context you would understand that it's
not about comparing Utah to BYU, it's about pointing our the hypocrisy of
your fan base. Your brethren ridicule Utah for losing to ASU, yet
at the same time are getting rolled by the likes of P-dine, Loyola and Portland
State, not to mention BYU's worst loss of the season coming at the hands of
the Utes by 17. BYU fan smack talk is like Justin Beiber calling Bruno Mars a
RPI of ASU: 62rpi of west coast cupcake Porland Community: 141
this ute team is just not very good...............they never are.......
Also notice that I didn't rag on Utah for losing to my Sun Devils. Utah is
a pretty decent team. But so is BYU and ASU. Would be nice to see some respect
go all around.
So it seems to me the standard at Utah is "Well, we lost again, but at least
we didn't lose like BYU lost." I don't think Utah can compete at
any level if they and their fans are always benchmarking themselves in the
rearview mirror. What's the saying "If you're constantly looking
backward, eventually you'll be headed that way." or something like
poyman,Thanks for the cheer up note. Losing to ASU was tough.What could be worse? Perhaps losing to say Loyola, Pepperdine and
Portland (or is it Portland State). Shoot, I can't keep those WCC and Big
Sky teams straight.
Has Utah won a basketball game outside the 801 area code?
There are no moral victories...give it up already...none. The Utes
lost this game at the end of the first half. They had a 10-point lead and got
sloppy. Turning the ball over and far too many missed free throws by Onwas.
Losing the momentum carried over to the 2nd half and they never had the same
confidence.I would favor a zone on occasion against quick and strong
guards who continually take it to the paint. The help defense was terrible.
Zone up at the end of the game.Great to see Loveridge continue to
improve his improve his overall game, but still needs work on the 3 ball. Delon
was solid too, but nobody else really stepped up last night.
@maxYour comment actually applies more to your BYU Cougars. How did
they do last night, by the way?
Another moral victory that for sure will get you into the big moral victory
dance. National champions of moral victories here you come...
I'm looking forward to watching the Utes against Arizona this weekend.
Hopefully I can also watch my Cougars against the Zags and the Aggies against
San Diego State. This is a great chance for the Big 3 programs in the state to
make a statement, especially the Utes! I mean can you imagine the Utes pulling
off an upset of the undefeated #1 team and shocking the nation? It will be HUGE
if they do! This is a priceless opportunity for them to do something
spectacular! Likewise I'd love to see the Cougars and the Aggies take care
of business too! What a great weekend that will be for all 3 schools! I might
be doing some flips and stand on my head, then again, I might not!Good luck to all!
Utes down by 1 pt, with 3 mins to go.. I think it was 63-64?, Utes give up 2
layups when their pg went 1-1 against d-wright.. who himself did not stop that
nor did he get any timely help to stop those 2 scores! This knowing ASU is a
poor FT team so even a foul was better than giving them 2pts. That was the game
Losing at AZ state isnt good.Losing at Portland St is a bag over the
Didn't know whether to put this comment on a BYU story or on a ute article
because it seems like we're all on Coug Boards far more often... None the
less I decided to comment here.All I really wanted to do was to try
and cheer y'all up... You have some nice wins... BYU and UCLA are good on
the resume... And y'all have only lost 4 Conference games (albeit only one
was at home and the other 3 were all your road games against the weaker teams in
the conference), but you should be able to bounce back at home... I mean, look
at how well y'all did in preseason at home, you didn't lose a single
game (alright, well most all the teams were in the 300RPI range but you won)...
And your team only lost one preseason game on the road (okay, well you only
played one but you did come close)...You know, you can't win
every game on the road (or in utah's case, you can't win any) but
y'all keep showing up and that ought to be good for a trophy somewhere.
It is good to see the utes back to normal. This will be a brutal year for the
utes. They are totally unprepared to play on the road. The coach and AD can
take full credit for not preparing the team better in the preseason. The team
actually has some decent talent but are not coached very well. I don't see
the utes winning more than 4 more games the rest of the season and will miss any
meaningful postseason play.
Wow, BYU just lost by 4 to Portland, a team with an RPI of 141. At least Utah
lost to a team with an RPI of 62. Just an observation.
You can blame Coach K for their abysmal performance on the road. Had he prepared
them properly in the preseason, they could very well have won many of these road
games. As it stands now, all Utah fans can do is claim a moral victory for
continuing to lose close games on the road. Last time I checked however, moral
victories do not cut it. As it stands now, Utah will get a road game in the NIT,
and lose. Another mediocre season.
Hard loss, but just like football, we weren't in these games a year or two
ago. No, its not a moral victory, but its progress, and significant progress at
that. The future of Ute basketball in the Pac 12 will be just fine!
Onwas' free throw shooting single-handedly cost the game. Offense finally
found a way to get going on the road, and misses at the charity stripe lost it.
Winning at UA is highly unlikely, but next weekend at CU is a winnable game.
It's hard to learn how to win on the road when you play all of your
preseason games at home.
Yep always a year away. Tough to watch them lose so many close games.
I think this team is a year away from being great. GO UTES!
Great game, but another tough loss after blowing a half time lead. This team
needs to learn how to win on the road. We're a year away from competing in
the PAC-12. Go UTES!
As good as this team is at home, they simply cannot win on the road.Too many close losses this season. They are in the games but need to learn
how to finish.