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  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 25, 2014 4:07 p.m.

    @kh

    Hey if that single win is what helps you lie to yourself and claim utah is good then I'm not going to try to take it away from you. The utah "fan"base is tenuous at best anyway so whatever it is they need to use to hold onto a couple of them is probably justifiable.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 25, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    I think the "News" team is better than the "Deseret" team. I mean one has BOTH Reilly and Van Noy. Who's gonna stop them?

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Utah has beaten byu 4 years in a row.
    Utah has beaten byu 9 years in the last 12.

    After the annual Utah win over byu, the two teams have very different schedules. Utah plays a PAC 12 schedule, where they are often the underdogs, going up against USC, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA, etc. byu then plays a schedule full of teams like Idaho St., Middle Tennessee St., Nevada, New Mexico St (last year), etc. byu has 7 or 8 built in wins. Yes, byu is and should be favored in these games. They also schedule a couple of good teams like Wisconsin and Notre Dame and they lose those games.

    If byu and Utah played the same schedule you would have a good point. But they don't. Utah is in the PAC 12 and byu has a game next year against Savannah St. Utah may lose against Oregon and byu will win against Savannah St. Does that make byu better than Utah? Absolutely not.

    The only way we can compare the two teams is head to head and against similar competition.

    Utah beat byu
    Utah beat Utah St.
    byu beat Utah St.
    These are the only games we can use to compare. Utah is better.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 12:20 p.m.

    @bookonwomen

    "That's what divides winnable games vs a really tough schedule."

    No, that's what divides a team better than most of their opponents from team worse than most of their opponents. That's what divides a team that goes into their games respected from a team that goes into most of their games with no respect. That's what divides a team that wins most of their games and goes to bowl games every year from a team that loses most of their games and sits home during bowl season. That's what divides a winner from a loser. That's what divides BYU from utah.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    Where's Wayne Howard when you need him?

  • bookonwomen Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 24, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    GT? Utah beat them in '11. BYU has beaten them soundly the last 2 years. GT is a well known name but it is a winnable game that BYU is favored to win. BYU was favored by 7 over GT and favored in 9 of their 12 games. Utah however was the underdog in 8 of their 12 games. That's what divides winnable games vs a really tough schedule.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2014 8:43 a.m.

    my team is in a premier league, so that makes us good too! hey everyone look at us! give us credit! give us respect! we should be included! what about us? don't forget us! we count too! hello? anyone?

    said every ute fan...

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 12:11 a.m.

    By the way, Sagarin final rankings for 2013 (by the way, BYU fans love Sagarin), Utah 35th, BYU 36th, and Utah St. 41st. Interesting!

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 23, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    bookdude

    Since when is Georgia Tech an automatic win?

    The Utes have exactly ONE win against a PAC team with a winning record in three full seasons in the league. Truth is, you only belong as cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference to pad their conference records.

    2-7 in your 3rd season in the conference is NOT competitive, regardless of how many "moral victories" you count.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 9:15 p.m.

    @atl134 I guess I will have to give you that. I was too focused on in state rivalries, where when all is said and done, BYU and Utah are on similar levels. Give USU a couple more years of their current level of performance and they will be there too. They have to win a few more in state rivalry games to say they are there. But we are not far off.

  • bookonwomen Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 23, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    BC Why are you talking about last year? BYU lost to 4 of the 5 teams that were ranked, 2 of which were WAC teams that played a very weak schedule and were questionable to be ranked at all. Here is where Domans words ring true though " Schedule at least 6 wins" Idaho, Hawaii, New Mexico St, Weber St, GT, WAZU (Utah beat them 49-6 that year) SDSU.
    If you beat the #5 Team in the country And PAC 12 champ, saying U don't belong is idiotic.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 8:03 p.m.

    @CougOrUte...Nahh

    " Just a few observations , whether you like it or not Head to Head schedule does count. If your team beats my team, you have a better team. "

    I would disagree with that, even as a Ute fan. Head to head is useful as a tiebreaker if the two teams are similarly ranked but upsets happen. Stanford is still better than Utah despite their head to head result, for instance.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 6:46 p.m.

    bookon

    Last year BYU played 5 teams ranked in the Final AP Top 25, Utah only played 2.

    BYU won one and lost by a total of 10 points in three of the others.
    Utah lost both.

    BYU finished 8-5 with a bowl win.
    Utah finished 5-7 with no bowl.

    Utah got exactly what they bargained for when they joined the PAC; if U can't cut it, go back to the MWC or WAC where U belong.

  • bookonwomen Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 23, 2014 4:44 p.m.

    Brandon Doman has repeatedly said on 1280 that BYU designs a schedule with at least 6-8 built in wins. Utah is in a power 5 Conf. They don't choose the majority of their schedule. Your either in a major Conf or your not. I hope the power 5 break off as is being talked about right now.

    This year BYU played 2 teams ranked in the final ap top 25, Utah played 5 and 1 other 35th in votes. Clearly not the same schedule.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    @ kh;

    By the same token, even though Utah was just a few plays away from a winning season, they also won several times by a single score, meaning they were also just a few plays away from being 2-10.

    That philosophy has to be applied to both sides equally.

    Also, considering Utah's schedule next season, it's most likely they'll finish with an even worse record. And if so, it will be interesting to see if you still maintain your present perspective of liking such "challenging" schedules.

    Prior to the Utes joining the PAC, when Utah had impressive winning seasons and went to bowl games, I distinctly remember their fans being much happier than they have been recently in the PAC12. No doubt whatsoever.

    As such, I still contend that a challenging schedule just tough enough to still allow a winning season is enjoyed more (than what Utah has recently had) by coaches, players and fans. No team or fan enjoys sitting home during college bowl season... regardless of their conference or schedule.

    It's obvious USU fans enjoyed themselves more in their MWC than Ute fans did in their prestigious PAC12 this past season.

  • BigSportFan! Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 23, 2014 4:24 p.m.

    "4 years of being the PAC 12 patsie" Year 1 Utah finished 8-5 and won the Sun Bowl and 1 game out of being in the PAC 12 championship game. Overall was 6th place. Year 2 Finished 9th but blew out WAZU and Cal to create a clear line from the bottom of the league. Year 3 Beat #5 and Pac12 champ Stanford and lost by 1 to south champ ASU. Ask Stanford coach David Shaw if Utah is a patsie? he said everyone in the Pac12 knows playing at Utah is one of the toughest games in the conference. Ask Graham, Mora ect.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    @ KH:

    In your comments and replies, you keep saying things and insinuating that BYU played a patsy schedule last season. You need to be reminded that BYU's schedule was ranked harder and tougher than any that the Utes had ever played prior to this past season. That being the case, you should man-up and give some credit where credit is due... especially since BYU went with that schedule, finished with a winning record and played in a post-season bowl game... things that Utah did not accomplish.

    With that in mind, if you still maintain your current line of reasoning, you're actually saying Utah has ALWAYS played patsy, easy schedules prior to the latest season. So, is that true?

  • DJute Sandy, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 4:04 p.m.

    I would put money down that Utah ends up with more of this years starters in the NFL than any other team in the state. If you were to count up the number of NFL players from every team in the state by year, Utah will beat every other team every year for the past 10 years. A trend that won't change any time soon.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    It is amazing how articles featuring BYU and Utah end up being a discussion (argument) about strength of schedule or Independence vs Membership in the PAC 12. Just a few observations , whether you like it or not Head to Head schedule does count. If your team beats my team, you have a better team. This is hard to accept for an Aggie fan, but it is true. Secondly, being in a great conference does not make you a great team. If you play in a tough conference , and lose to everyone you are not a great team. But undoubtably the best team in Utah this year. Based on head to head. I believe this is a make or break year for Coach Whit this year. 4 years of being the PAC 12 patsie has to grate on the majority of Utah fans. And looking at their schedule next year they could go 2 and 10. Not knocking your team, you have a very tough schedule. Coach Whit could be gone by Christmas if the Utes don't do better. And the Cougars due to strength of schedule are going to have to win out to get a sniff of the top 25.

  • BigSportFan! Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 23, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    The PAC-12 went 14-1 vs the MWC, BYU and USU. The PAC-12 had 6 teams in the the Final AP top 25. End of discussion

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    KH

    "Utah beat #11 Stanford
    Lost to #16 UCLA by a touchdown
    Lost to Oregon St. in overtime
    Lost to #21 Arizona St. by 1"

    It's funny how Utah fans didn't give BYU any credit whatsoever last season, even though BYU had superior results against ranked opponents.

    BYU beat #16/#17 Utah State by 3
    Lost @ #3/#4 Notre Dame by 3
    Lost @ #18/#14 Boise St by 1
    Lost to #20/#19 Oregon St by 18
    Lost @ #21/#21 San Jose St by 6

    3 of BYU's 4 losses versus FIVE ranked teams were on the road by a total of 10 points, all 4 losses by a total of 28 points

    Utah's 3 losses to FOUR ranked teams were by a total of 31 points.

    Oregon St(7-6) wasn't even ranked at the end of the season, and let's not forget, the Beavers lost to Weber St conference mate Eastern Washington to open the season.

    The real choice isn't whether you'd rather lose to PAC 12 teams or win against lesser teams; the real choice is whether you'd rather whine about your tough schedule or go to a bowl.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 1:32 p.m.

    Black&Blue,

    I understand that nobody is arguing that Utah plays in a premier conference. I'm arguing that it is better to play in a premier conference and struggle than to play a bunch of patsies and make a bowl game. That is my argument.

    I agree with you. Utah's PAC 12 road games have been tough to watch and they definitely need improvement.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    KH

    Nobody is arguing that Utah plays a tough schedule in a premier conference. And yes, Utah can be competitive at times, but only on their home turf. Utah is a whole different team when playing @ home, and showed they can be competitive with the best in the conference when playing in SLC, so I can understand your optimism.

    But...If you look at Utah's record vs PAC-12 teams on the road... Well its something like 1-8 over the past 2 years....with the only win coming @ Colorado by 1 touchdown.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    Tators,

    Competitors want to play against the best. Think of it this way: Are you a Jazz fan? If so, would you want the Jazz to play in the NBA where they are struggling, or in Europe where they can compete for a championship every year? Of course you'd want them to play in the NBA, right? It is fun to see your team play against the best.

    As for the Utes being "over their heads", let's take a look shall we?

    Besides the annual win the Utes have over byu, let's examine PAC 12 play:

    Utah beat #11 Stanford
    Lost to #16 UCLA by a touchdown
    Lost to Oregon St. in overtime
    Lost to #21 Arizona St. by 1

    Yes Utah has struggled in the 2nd best conference in the nation. But looking at these close games makes me optimistic that Utah is just a play or 2 away from winning 3 more games this year and finishing 8-4, possibly 9-4 with a bowl game.

    Again, I'd rather play against the best rather than pad the W column playing Idaho St, Middle Tennessee St., etc.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    @kh

    You got the "struggling" part correct.

  • Fight On! St George, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    BigSportFan!

    Hahah I love it! Just like you Ute fans to base an entire season off a couple good games. Each team I mentioned lost at least 4 games and was unranked at the end of the year.
    Arizona had one quality win over an opponent with a winning record.
    WSU did indeed beat my Trojans, but also lost to Colorado State and got destroyed by OSU.
    And OSU was beaten by an FCS team.

    I understand Ute fans have had to drop their standards lately for what is considered Mediocre. But most people with a half decent IQ would not consider any of these 3 teams good or great. Inconsistently good maybe, but that would leave us right on the doorstep of mediocre wouldn't you say?
    Cheers.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    @ KH:

    Why on earth would you prefer to struggle against a level of competition that leaves your team with lousy and losing records that no other team in the state envies... and that leaves nearly all your fellow Ute fans very frustrated at the end of the season?

    Why wouldn't you or any other Ute fan prefer a more moderate schedule that could allow your team to enjoy a winning record and consequently play in post-season bowl games... something the Utes haven't done for a few years.

    It's actually quite silly to prefer a tough enough schedule that keeps leaving your team in the basement of their conference and causes your head coach to change offensive coordinators every year and worrying about keeping his job.

    The worst teams in the nation can play ultra-tough schedules and end up with losing records. That doesn't prove anything positive at all. So why would you prefer such a scenario to something more livable where your team could actually be competitive?

    The Utes are obviously in over their heads with the schedule they currently struggle with.

    As such, your reasoning is difficult for reasonable people to understand.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    Wow! Something like 8 of the first 10 comments to this article were from known Ute fans... anxious to defend their team from what most people knew would be quite predictable results.

    Uncle Rico makes a good point. Wilson played in a game won by the Utes over a team finishing in the top-10 nationally... something not often done by players in this state.
    But on the other hand he also lost, even at home, against some very mediocre teams. Obviously, a lack of consistency hurts in the voting, as it should.

    That also proves that only a few good performances over an entire season won't get players all the accolades which that team's ultra-fans always think their players deserve.

    Winning one or two battles doesn't often translate into winning the war, even though many fanatical fans seem to keep thinking it does... or should.

    Multiple times I've read juvenile chants such as "We beat you, so no matter how bad we are, you're worse" during this past season. At first they're irritating. Eventually, they seem funny as one can't help but feel sorry for a mind that conjures up such silly rhetoric.

  • Fight On! St George, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    KH

    Did you even read my comment? I acknowledged that Utah had a very touch schedule, beat all 3 in-state opponents, and even beat a top 10 team. But then you lost to a 7-6 OSU team, an 8-5 Arizona team, and a 6-7 WSU team. 3 games against MEDIOCRE teams that cost the Utes a bowl game. Are you following me?

    And then my question was, "how long will the "We played a harder schedule" excuse hold up? Especially without a win over BYU to rest your season on?"
    Your response tells me all I need to know.
    When Utah goes 3-9 the next two seasons without wins over BYU to rest your season on, there will be a mass exodus of Utah fans jumping ship, and it will be glorious.

    But at least you will be playing good competition...

  • BigSportFan! Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 23, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    "But then you lost to a 7-6 OSU team, an 8-5 Arizona team, and a 6-7 WSU team. 3 games against MEDIOCRE teams that cost the Utes a bowl game. Are you following me? "

    Arizona with a 42-16 win over #5 Oregon is mediocre? AZ beat UNLV 58-13 while USU barely survived at UNLV.

    Washington St won at USC, lost at Auburn by 7, beat SUU like a drum.

    Oregon St embarrassed Boise, 3-0 vs MWC, lost by 1 at Oregon, had 1 of the best QB and WR in the country.

    Mediocre? do you actually watch sports?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 23, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    tdlawton

    "I guess one could say that Washington St (Utah's worst loss on paper) was mediocre, but those Wazzu Cougars were still a lot better than the Virginia Cavaliers..."

    Which proves exactly what?...

    Washington State(6-7) wasn't as good as Texas(8-5), Mid Tenn St(8-5), Utah St(9-5), Georgia Tech(7-6), Houston(8-5), Boise St(8-5), Wisconsin(9-4), Notre Dame(9-4) or Washington(9-4).

    BYU beat SIX of those teams to become bowl eligible.

    The truth is, the 5-7 Utes won three games that they could have easily lost (Utah St, BYU, and Stanford), and lost one that they should have won (Washington St).

    Utah was closer to finishing 3-9 than to 6-6.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    Fight On,

    I'm glad to hear that you did not disagree with my comment, that the "mediocre" teams on Utah's schedule are at a different level than the average byu opponent. At least we agree on one thing. byu can keep beating bad teams and win 8 games. I'll take the struggle against top competition.

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    "But for the second year in a row, Utah failed to beat the mediocre teams on it's schedule and was home for the holidays again."

    Can you name the mediocre teams Utah failed to beat? Utah played 12 teams, 10 of the them were Bowl teams (the most in the nation). Utah beat both non-Bowl teams on the Utes schedule and went 3-7 vs. the Bowl teams.

    I guess one could say that Washington St (Utah's worst loss on paper) was mediocre, but those Wazzu Cougars were still a lot better than the Virginia Cavaliers...

    BYU lost two games to non-Bowl teams and was still able to have a winning record thanks, in part at least, to catching Boise State and Utah State w/ back-up QBs and having some less than mediocre teams like Idaho St, Middle Tennessee, and Nevada on their schedule.

    What happened when BYU played Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Washington, and yes Utah?

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    KH

    "The mediocre teams on Utah's schedule are at an entirely different level than the average BYU opponent."

    Don't kid yourself; Washington State(6-7) was a very mediocre team. The Wazoo blew a big lead in the New Mexico Bowl in losing to Colorado State(8-6) 45-48.

    At least 10 of the 13 opponents on BYU 38th-ranked schedule would have beaten both of those teams, Utah, obviously, not being one of them.

  • Fight On! St George, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    KH

    Did you even read my comment? I acknowledged that Utah had a very touch schedule, beat all 3 in-state opponents, and even beat a top 10 team. But then you lost to a 7-6 OSU team, an 8-5 Arizona team, and a 6-7 WSU team. 3 games against MEDIOCRE teams that cost the Utes a bowl game. Are you following me?

    And then my question was, "how long will the "We played a harder schedule" excuse hold up? Especially without a win over BYU to rest your season on?"

    Your response tells me all I need to know.
    When Utah goes 3-9 the next two seasons without wins over BYU to rest your season on, there will be a mass exodus of Utah fans jumping ship, and it will be glorious.

    But at least you will be playing good competition...

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    gdog3finally

    "You can't compare overall records when the schedules are nothing alike."

    So why did Utah fans insist that Utah 2004 (#67 SOS) and Utah 2008 (#56 SOS) deserved a shot at the national championship even though Utah's schedule wasn't even as good as BYU's 2013 schedule (#38 SOS)?

    It's sad how Utah fans have trashed the credibility of their own pre-big boy conference accomplishments in their frantic and emotional attempt to discredit BYU.

    BYU 2013, with a schedule that was better than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013, finished 8-5 with a bowl game.

    Show me a Utah team that has ever finished with a winning season and a bowl game after playing a schedule ranked 38th or higher.

  • Indy St George, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    Not one BYU offensive lineman should be on this list. Especially Ryker Matthews, who was injured most the season. Honestly, outside of the Texas game. BYU was dominated at the line of scrimmage against every decent opponent we played. 6 sacks given up against Utah!

    The only BYU players that should be on this list:

    Taysom Hill- The was the most dominant player in the state once his passing improved. He Kept BYU in every game.

    Jamaal Williams- Running behind an atrocious line he still ran for over 1,000yds

    Cody Hoffman- Caught anything thrown even close to him. Best receiver in BYU history.

    Kyle Van Noy- Easily the best LB in the state. Maybe even in the West, outside of Anthony Barr. Will be a 1st round draft pick.

    Robertson Daniel- 3rd string corner that stepped up and shut down opposing receivers.

    Adam Hine- He was a threat to take it to the house on every return.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    Fight On

    "But for the second year in a row, Utah failed to beat the mediocre teams on it's schedule and was home for the holidays again."

    The mediocre teams on Utah's schedule are at an entirely different level than the average byu opponent. I wish Utah had byu's schedule. We'd have 6 or 7 very easy for sure wins every year. Wait, I don't wish that at all. I love the competition Utah plays in the PAC 12!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 23, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    Truly one of the most comical read in a long time.

    Utah # 4 in the Pac-12 and #8 in the country in sacks has only 1 D-lineman on the team. Talk about LOL.

  • Fight On! St George, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    Holy Smokes,
    You Utah fans are so insecure.

    Everybody knows that Utah's 2013 schedule is Murder's row, every Utah fan uses that excuse. And yes Utah did win all 3 in-state match ups and beat a Stanford team that finished ranked #11/#10. But for the second year in a row, Utah failed to beat the mediocre teams on it's schedule and was home for the holidays again.

    The question is, how long will the "We played a harder schedule" excuse hold up? Especially without a win over BYU to rest your season on?

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Virginia, I know your papa probably said, "If you see it in the D-news, it is so." So don't let me cast doubt with facts and logic. How dreary would the world be for some fans if their team was not all the D-news makes them out to be?

    As proof to what many say about strength od schedule, consider this. "Tiger, tiger, tiger." LSU, Auburn, and Savannah State are all tigers and only BYU plays any of these next year! How impressive is that?

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    Jan. 23, 2014 6:50 a.m.

    Jordan Johnson from BYU did not play in 2013, should not be eligible for your little draft.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2014 1:17 a.m.

    Heh, considering these teams you'd think Utah's coaches would be picked because apparently they get their wins with inferior talent...

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 22, 2014 10:38 p.m.

    I am pretty sure the DNews hacks picking these teams were trying to tweak the nose of Ute fans... *shrug*... In this case I think we should at least check the numbers.

    Not that any single rating system is foolproof, but at least Sagarin is objective and takes SOS in to account:

    2013 end of year Sagarin rankings:
    # 34 Utah SOS # 3
    # 35 BYU SOS # 38
    # 41 USU SOS # 74
    #171 SUU SOS #169
    #228 Weber St. SOS #147

    If Utah has so few top flight players they must have had great coaching, oh... not according to the shills at the DNews.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Jan. 22, 2014 10:38 p.m.

    Way to represent SUU. Guess the boys down south are better then some people thought.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2014 9:53 p.m.

    BYU plays teams like Idaho State, Middle Tennessee State, and Nevada. They lose to Virginia but they are better than Utah even though Utah beat BYU and USU. The Stanford win was better than the Texas win and all of this is silly. Play a different schedule and things are also different for BYU. You can't compare overall records when the schedules are nothing alike.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2014 9:26 p.m.

    I prefer to look up head-to-head winners, games against good competition, players drafted in NFL, and pro-bowlers. Lately Utah has dominated all of these.

    Utah was 3-0 vs in State in 2013
    Utah currently has more NFL players than the rest of the state combined.
    Utah beat a team that finished #10 in the country (Stanford). No other in state team beat a team that finished ranked.
    Utah has 3 NFL pro-bowlers that will be playing this Sunday (Eric Weddle, Jordan Gross, and Alex Smith)

    The players on the Utes now will make more noise in the NFL and proved to be better on the field (head to head). They would have put up bigger numbers and more wins if they too would have played cream puffs every week.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 22, 2014 7:38 p.m.

    It is interesting to note that BYU, in 9 of the last 12 games, became a much better team after playing the U. It's just that BYU caught the U at the wrong time, right?

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2014 7:18 p.m.

    Wilson beat both of the other QBs and also beat a team that finished ranked in the top 10. When was the last time a QB from this state beat a team that FINISHED in the top 10?

  • BoSox4 St. George, UT
    Jan. 22, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    @utahcountyute I completely agree except for Gavin Farr from SUU that dude is a beast he will be playing on sundays

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 22, 2014 4:33 p.m.

    I didn't realize that SUU was the powerhouse that the Desnews staff makes them out to be. The fact that they would take any player from SUU over players from Utah or even byU at any position, is suspect.

    Let's dig this list up in a couple years and see who is playing in the league. Keith McGill, Jake Murphy, Poutasi and Trevor Reilly will all be