Published: Thursday, Jan. 23 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
Look out Dan.Any article that does not place every and all blame on
Obama and the democrats will be blasted by the right."The debate
about presidential overreach hinges upon whether or not specific executive
orders are “faithful” to congressional intent."This
should be a two way street. Congress needs to act "faithfully" when
proposing or voting on legislation.To me, "faithful" in this
context would be this.- Fairly evaluate any legislation on the
merits, regardless of the party- Put the America and the American people
above party or moneyMore than 1/2 of this country (25+% on the right
and 25+% on the left) is party loyal to a fault. Our congress is
just an extension of us. If you cant find any good in the "other party"
or any bad in yours, you are a partisan.And we see it daily on this
board.Think the GOP is the problem? - You are a liberalThink
Both parties are sinking this country? I do. And that makes me a liberalThis is why the GOP is shrinking. Unless you side with them on every
big issue, you are labeled as either a RINO or a liberal.
The tea party is not interested in all in legislation, only obstruction.
Obama threatened congress recently,"I have a pen and I have a phone".
Why even have a congress or a SCOTUS to interpret the constitution? With Obama
in the White House, both are irrelevant! This is very dangerous and anyone who
doesn't see the danger of this is either asleep or blinded by their
Obama has actually issued fewer executive orders than any other recent
president.Mr. Liljenquist also asserts that the president will
propose "even more deficit spending". He is seemingly unaware that the
deficit has fallen by almost 2/3 since Obama became president, from over 9% of
GDP in Bush's last fiscal year, to a little over 3% this year.
@ One Vote. Can you please name one thing the GOP or the tea party has
obstructed Obama and the Democrats from doing during Obama's terms?
Obamacare, higher taxes, "stimulus package", bailouts, DOMA scuttled,
NSA, dodged the IRS, Benghazi, fast and furious scandals, doubled food stamp
recipients, raised debt ceiling and abandoning Iraq. We could debate if any of
these "accomplishments" are good or not but for you to call anyone
obstructionists to Obama is totally false!
That's a cop-out.That's like my kid saying it's my
fault he had to sneak out at midnight to do something I would not allow.
What tea party Republicans fail to understand is that vilifying President Obama
as evil and invariably wrong does not make them holy and always right. While
Barack Obama, no different from the rest of us, may have his faults, in the
opinion of most Americans he is far and away the best of a bad lot.
Oh come on, Dan. A Republican president who issues executive orders
(they've all done it, copiously) is noble and proactive. A Democratic
president who does the exact same thing is showing "flippant, blatant
disregard for the people's representatives." Right? Isn't that so,
What some people fail to realize is that Congress represents the people and the
States. The President's job is to enforce laws passed by Congress, not to
legislate. Anyone to thinks that the executive branch of government has the
right to legislate has not read the Constitution. Yes, it is
Congress' fault for not stopping Obama. He bullied Congress into believing
that he is a King. Now it's time for Congress to remind him that he serves
us and that his only power independent from Congress is Commander In Chief, a
power that he totally misused during the Benghazi attack.
"That's like my kid saying it's my fault he had to sneak out at
midnight to do something I would not allow."No, it's more
like"I would not allow my kid to leave the house for any reason,
so he ran away from home."
JoeBlow,Regardless... it's bogus to blame somebody else for something
YOU did.Whether it's running away, or sneaking out at night,
and blaming it on the one who wouldn't let you go out with permission...
it's the same thing.You can't blame the person who
wouldn't give you permission for your decision to overrule them and just do
what you want WITHOUT permission.The President is SUPPOSED to get a
majority of the people in Congress (who represent the people in all the States)
permission before doing things.He can't then blame Congress for
his decision to just go ahead and do it without Congressional vote/approval.According to the Constitution... That's not how it's supposed
to work. And it doesn't matter if somebody else did it first.
@Joe Blow - No, it is more like "My kid wouldn't leave the house for
any reason, so I threw him out." The House and Senate have failed to
perform their constitutional role, so the Executive Branch has thrown out the
Legislative Branch.The only way to reverse this disastrous trend is
for the House to impeach the President, and the Senate to remove him from
office. This would be followed by significant legislation that would restore
power back to the Legislature (e.g. revise the Patriot and Affordable Healthcare
acts to allow more Congressional oversight).
Obama and Congress passed ObamaCare over the objections of 59% of the people.
What more do we need to know about Obama and Congress? Not one Republican voted
for ObamaCare. Only Democrats voted for ObamaCare. Only Democrats ignored the
wishes of 59% of the people. Only Obama ignored the wishes of 59% of the
people. Only Pelosi told us that we wouldn't know what was in ObamaCare
before we passed ObamaCare. Only Obama shut down the parks and the monuments in
his infantile fit to force an unwilling America to accept ObamaCare when the
people clearly stated that they did not want ObamaCare.Now that
we're learning that Obama lied about ObamaCare, that Pelosi lied about
ObamaCare, that Reid lied about ObamaCare, we can clearly see that Obama did not
follow the Constitution,that Pelosi did not follow the Constitution and
legislate according to the wishes of the People and that Reid did not follow
the Constitution and legislate according to the wishes of the States. Obama, Pelosi and Reid declared that they were royalty and that the
Constitution was just for "little people".
gmlewis,That sounds like a political Coup headed up by the Legislature.
We need to go that far.The Constitution is still there. We just
need to read it, and make sure our political leaders read AND understand it.Here's a suggestion... If you are thinking of voting for
someone... ask them if they have read the Constitution lately. IF they
can't say "Yes"... don't vote for them.Test them
on a few basic topics to make sure they really read it and they actually
understood what they read. And if they don't get it... don't vote
for them.It won't take long until we have Congressmen and
Senators and even eventually Presidents and Supreme Court Judges who understand
the Constitution, and know that the people EXPECT them to live according to the
limits and abilities it puts on the various branches of government.I
don't think we need a coup. We just need to hold our elected officials
feet to the fire on Constitutional principles when they are campaigning (instead
of just voting for them because they have the right letter by their name, or
they promise us candy and ice cream).
2 bits,Any fair assessment of the situation would show that the GOP
is not merely opposing things that they disagree with.They are
opposing everything. Not on principle, but strictly for partisan politics. Not
to say that the Dems never do that, but the GOP has taken it to new heights.Presidential overstepping is not how the founders envisioned this
country running. I agree with you their. However, they also did not envision
complete obstruction for the sake of obstruction.I wish that our
congressmen would legislate in good faith putting America ahead of partisan
politics. Unfortunately, many people actually like the partisanship and have
lost their objectivity to even see the difference.The ACA is a
perfect example. 40+ votes to kill it (and return to a failing system) without
one legitimate attempt at putting forth legislation to fix it. Not ONE.Until the GOP starts being FOR something instead of an agenda of being
against everything, the electorate will not embrace their message, or lack of
JoeBlow,I didn't say the GOP wasn't trying to block
everything.They are trying to block almost everything (but they did
vote in good faith on the last two budget bills that passed, so you can't
say they block "Everything"). But early on their approach
was to block everything in hopes of outlasting President Obama and the Democrat
Super-Majority. Now that we have a normal majority... I think they are
cooperating a little more (but still not enough).But NONE of that is
reason for the President to throw the Constitution out and just plow over
Congress.The President vows to uphold the Constitution. (That
doesn't mean only if the other party doesn't try to block what you
want to do).Congress is almost irrelevant at this point in American
Politics. All they do is bicker, debate, talk to the media, campaign, and in
the end one party does whatever the President tells them, and the other
automatically opposes it. I agree that's not the way the founding fathers
intended. But they also didn't intend for the Constitution to be thrown
out if the President thinks the other party isn't cooperating.
@Thid Barker"Can you please name one thing the GOP or the tea party
has obstructed Obama and the Democrats from doing during Obama's
terms?"The public option for healthcare, cap and trade, card
check, immigration reform, expanded background checks on gun purchase...
The problem is that nothing really prevents the president from doing whatever he
wants, short of serious political opposition. If the public agrees with him or
does not care, he's pretty free. Of course, impeachment exists to check
severe abuse of power, but that is hardly likely in present circumstances. So --
get ready! Obama's going to unilaterally amend the ACA as he sees fit, the
attorney general is going to continue to stonewall congressional committees, and
there will be nothing any of us can do about it.
@Mike Richards. Maybe republicans should offer better specific proposals the
public can get behind. Instead of saying obamacare is bad they should be
offering something better but I do not think they really want to solve anything
because that gives the opponent political ammo to attack their ideas.Basically republicans are scared to take on healthcare.
I rarely agree with Mikr Richards but in this case he is spot on. Republicans
are afraid to take on the health care issues with concrete proposals. They
refuse to ask " Should an expansion of health care for ALL be an essential
program of the federal government and if so, how do you, the American people,
want us, the government, to pay for it?" You ask those questions and they
will say yes to part one, they will say " don't raise my taxes" on
part two. We all want something for nothing, and our government refuses to say
no to millions of registered voters who could vote them out. Until the
government does this they (both parties) will continue to pander.
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