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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 22 2014 1:40 a.m. MST

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10CC
Bountiful, UT

Length is the biggest difference with this Utah team. I've watched Delon Wright make passes - and layups - that a smaller player would have trouble making, and of course length is the biggest reason why we're getting more steals, all other factors being equal.

Interestingly, when the game tightened up against UCLA, it was *their* length that created problems for our offense, as they pressured us into multiple turnovers that against other teams might not have been turnovers.

That's not to say we can't improve our offense against that type of defense, and this team will improve with experience, but the ability to cover space - via length and athletic ability - is a major point of separation between the different levels of basketball, and a key improvement Coach K made in recruiting the players on this year's team.

Donny Daniels, the assistant coach under Majerus, once observed: "Quickness gets tired, but big stays big all game long".

And so it is with length. At the end of a game, when everyone is tired, Wright, Loveridge, Tucker, Onwas and Ogbe can still extend their arms to disrupt passes.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah has a .666 record against top 50 RPI teams, with as many wins against top 50 in 3 games as any other team in Utah has in 6 games against top 50 teams. The next best team is only .333 against top 50 teams.

And Utah still has 8 games left against top 50 opponents, unlike some other schools who play in gymnasium conferences and have to schedule big boys in the preseason since no big boys want them in their conference.

Go UTES!

If we beat Arizona I'm storming the court! And for those who say we can't, you're the same people who said we had no chance beating UCLA. So keep it up!

Carnak
Salt Lake City, UT

Thanks Mr Wright

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

"However, turnovers, or a lack of them, have been a big reason for Utah’s turnaround winning season compared to four straight losing seasons."

The biggest reason for Utah's "turnaround":

Playing one of the weakest schedules in the country, mostly at home.

Which explains why BYU's RPI ranking, with one less win and three more losses, is significantly higher than Utah's.

#40 BYU(13-7) SOS #8 overall, #3 non-conf, #148 conf
#123 Utah(14-4) SOS #297 overall, #350 non-conf, #105 conf

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

CB

"Utah has a .666 record against top 50 RPI teams, with as many wins against top 50 in 3 games as any other team in Utah has in 6 games against top 50 teams. The next best team is only .333 against top 50 teams."

So please explain why Utah is ranked a paltry #123 in RPI, while the "next best team" is ranked #40.

Despite your frantic and emotional spin, Utah's RPI is a direct reflection of Utah's pathetically soft, 297th ranked SOS.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

"If we beat Arizona I'm storming the court!"

IF???

What, no "mark it down" prediction from the king of lame predictions?

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

It took a little longer than usual, but apparently the BYU fans have woken up and discovered a new article on Utah basketball. Don't know what we'd do without you all giving us such sparkling insight on our basketball team.

By the way, nobody in the West Coast Conference should feel good about dropping schedule smack. Which high schools do you guys play this week?

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

timid sparrow

Unlike Utah, which has played NINE bottom 100 or non-div 1 opponents, BYU doesn't play high school teams.

#40 BYU plays 21st-ranked Gonzaga this week.

Meanwhile #123 Utah is getting ready to play their 4th road game of the season in a conference in which the Utes are 1-19 on the road.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

robin

"By the way, nobody in the West Coast Conference should feel good about dropping schedule smack."

And why is that?

Because it might shed some light on just how pathetic Utah's 297th ranked SOS is compared to BYU's 8th ranked SOS.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

"In Jim Boylen’s last season in 2010-11, the Utes ranked 313th "
Even today when we see an ill-advised pass, I turn to my fellow season ticket holders and say "that's a play from the Boylen era."

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

I see a lot of byu fans making up random numbers for strength of schedule or only mentioning the out of conference schedules and forgetting that conference play makes up more of the season than non-conference.

Ya, I'd probably do the same if none of the best 9 leagues in the nation wanted me and I was in the 10th "best" conference.

Big 12 Call Yet?
Ogden, UT

What was it that byu fans said all football season?

Oh ya, playing ranked teams doesn't count for ANYTHING if all you do is lose.

byu 0-4

Utah 1-1

81Ute
Central, UT

Isn't is funny that the haters have resorted to complaining about home games on the Utah schedule. Home is were the cash register is, duh!

UtesBy5
Syracuse, UT

All eyes on the PAC-12 Utes with many comments coming from other Utah team fan bases. I guess this is why The University of Utah is THE University in Utah. The Utes will represent the state well at the only major conference team.

I cheer for all of our mid-major programs as well: USU in the MWC, BYU in the WCC and SUU & WSU in the Big Sky.

Go Utes!

Sweater In Rafters
Franklin, IN

How come the question of the best team is always determined in head to head competition except when it comes to the school down south? These fans always have goofy measurements.

We beat BYU in football but they are better because they went to a bowl.
We beat BYU in basketball but they have a better RPI, BMW, DFW.

Utah won. We plan again in the future...until then, we are better than you...otherwise we should play each other every week....right?

Rose Bowl call yet?
Salt Lake City, UT

B12

Fortunately for BYU, they've done far more than lose:

versus RPI Top 100
#40 BYU(13-7) is 4-4
#123 Utah(14-4) is 4-3

The biggest difference, BYU has only played ONE team in the Bottom 100, Utah has played SEVEN.

Which accounts for Utah's incredibly weak 297th ranked SOS,
while BYU has played 8th toughest SOS.

RPI also considers road/neutral site wins/losses

BYU 5-6
Utah 0-3

FACTchequer
Salt Lake City, UT

Sweater Man

"How come the question of the best team is always determined in head to head competition except when it comes to the school down south?"

Define "always".

Was Texas A&M BETTER than national champion Alabama?

Was Utah BETTER than PAC 12 champion Stanford?

Was Chaminade BETTER than #1-ranked Virginia?

Was UNLV(2-10) BETTER than Utah(9-4)?

Have Utah fans already chalked up a loss to Washington State on February 8th?

So why do Utah fans insist on claiming that the head-to-head results of ONE game in an entire season ALWAYS determines which team is BETTER?

Creeper51
Bountiful, UT

Factchequer

UNLV hasn't beaten us consistently in football for four years in a row, unlike Utah to the Cougers. So why do you insist on throwing away the best indicator of actual ability and talent that we have? (Head to Head)

Sweater In Rafters
Franklin, IN

Fact Dude,

Utah must have been better than Stanford that day...we won! As with your other examples. We scored more points, we had better defense, our coaches were more creative that day. Lots of reasons.

The fact is that no one has ever been awarded a throphy at the end of March Madness over an RPI. Or SOS. Or most points scored. It's the team who wins head to head games.

Some team will get hot in Feb and Mar, upset RPI stats, win an unlikely tourney, make the big dance, make it deep into the tournament and be recognized as winners...

People with strong RPI will sit home and post messages...well, about RPI.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Fact Guy,

Utah was ranked higher in the Sagarin Ranking and beat BYU in football this year. Utah's the better team.

Utah is ranked higher in the BPI poll and beat BYU in basketball this year. Utah's the better team.

That's spot on according to your criteria; correct?

And yes Texas A&M was better than Alabama two years ago. Both teams finished in the top 6, but A & M won at Bama.

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