Deja vu?Remember when Brad Sorensen transferred to SUU because BYU
was loaded with QBs (Heaps and Nelson). Sorensen ended up being better than
both and is currently a backup for the Chargers.Olsen is a better QB
than Hill. Remember when Hill had 30 incompletions against Utah?However,
BYU's schedule next year will allow them to start a RB (Hill) as QB and
still win 10 games.
It is amazing to me that Utah wouldn't have gone after Ammon, he's a
better qb than they've had on their roster since Brian Johnson. Of course
Utah isn't known for their wise recruiting when it comes to offensive
players so I guess I should't be surprised.Good luck to Ammon,
he'll be great at SUU.
Shame to see him go... I'm sure it is the best choice for him if he
wants playing time. But on the other hand, if Taysom goes down with an injury
we are in trouble. Tanner Mangum still has another year on his mission from my
understanding. Christian Stewart and Billy Green will need to make some big
strides this off-season.
In Mangum we trust.
Maybe he's hoping to follow Brad Sorensen's example and make a
reputation that could carry him to the next level.Good luck Ammon!
Wishing Ammon good luck and lots of success playing in Cedar City. Thanks for
all the hard work you've put in as a Cougar. We'll miss you in Provo
but I completely understand wanting to get playing time. I'm excited that
you'll be playing for my undergrad Alma Mater SUU! I'll be following
your future career with interest and support.
He definitely has a better chance of playing in the NFL than Hill does.
Rico,My thoughts exactly. Due to Bronco's skills in developing
and coaching players, byu ended up playing a backup safety in Nelson for 3 years
instead of a current NFL player in Sorensen.And why would a QB want
to leave QB U?Even with less playing time, wouldn't all
QB's want to play at QB U?
Good luck to Olsen but this makes me a bit more nervous about Hill getting
injured. Cougar blue--- Mangum still has one more year on his mission.
Re: plyxplyUtah isn't known for their wise recruiting when it
comes to offensive players so I guess I should't be surprised.So if they don't recruit as well as BYU, Utah must develop their players
much better.Utah has twice as many offensive players in the NFL
than BYU (8 vs 4)Utah has three times as many defensive players in the NFL
than BYU (12 vs 4)
If history is any indication under coaches Mendenhall at byu and Lamb at SUU,
Ammon likely has a better chance at getting to the NFL at SUU with coach Lamb.
I imagine that played into the decision, just as it did for Brad Sorensen a few
years ago(and who is now in the NFL)Best of luck Ammon.
Wishing Ammon well at SUU!---------It's laughable
to see our little friends from the hill chiming in on a QB transferring from BYU
because of BYU's wealth of quality QBs, while the Utes have struggled with
a dearth of quality QBs since BJ left.Taysom Hill is popping up on
numerous Heisman watch lists for 2014. Utah may not have a starter identified
until the end of fall camp.
B12Remind us how many Whittingham-coached QBs have played in a
regular season NFL game.Utah's Sugar Bowl MVP didn't even
make an NFL roster.
I'm not certain how good Ammon Olsen actually is, but SUU has only had one
player drafted in their entire history (Sorensen). It will be a
while before we know if Olsen can get drafted or not.
Good luck Ammon! Sorry to see you go.
Good luck to Ammon Olsen. I hope it goes well for him and certainly understand
his reasoning. If he does not get a shot at the next level, he only has two more
years of playing time. Might as well make the most of it.Todd
Mortensen went to USD with Harbaugh and parlayed that into 3-4 years of hanging
around pro football. Maybe the same thing can happen for Ammon. BTW,
transferring to Utah would have been silly. He would have lost a year of
eligibility and would not have been able to play until 2015.
I'm surprised one aggie is giving him credit. The other one is
Stewart is a good quarterback. We'll ok. with another
Good luck Ammon, as a BYU fan i'm sick of hearing that QB will be better
next year. We have been saying that since Heaps came. Until the QB situation
is fixed I won't fall for that trick again for next season. My prediction
for next year, we'll probably beat a low team and get too much hype and
lose the games that matters.
Thanks Souptwins, I already knew he has a year left on his mission. My point is,
that while I do think Taysom will get better as he is getting outside help to
improve his accuracy, the future of the program will be through Mangum. At least
that is the hope. He is a true pocket passer with a solid arm. I just hope Anae
will be gone by then.
Crowton got to him.Neither of them are dummies.Go
SUU is the second best program in the state after The Byu so he will be ok.
He went to SUU because by transferring down a level he doesn't lose a year
of eligibility. He wants to play, who can blame him? I'll take some credit
and point out I posted this was going to happen a couple of weeks ago. It does
affect BYU's depth but I wouldn't worry to much about it, they have
some other guys there that can play.
Go luck Ammon, he'll be great for coach lamb and the t-birds. Every time I
read the comment boards it reminds me of how true Bronco's statement was
about some byu fans.
Rose Bowl,How about you tell us the total guys drafted under
Whittingham and the total guys drafted under Bronco?Its over a 3 to
1 ratio in favor of Whit.In fact, Bronco has never had a single guy
that he's recruited been drafted.9 years - ZERO players drafted
that he recruited.Whittingham is approaching 20
Sambone, The rivalry between SUU and USU is cute. Its funny when
you guys bash on SUU. No doubt you'll continue to be great rivals in the
First of all like the way Bronco runs his program but if there is one weakness
Bronco has in my view it is evaluating QB talent.The whole Riley thing was
a disaster. I wish Olsen the best and hope he has a great year and plays at the
@Chris B.Rivalry with SUU? I never said or implied anything about
something that comical. What are U talking about? Maybe because one particular
SUU fan wastes all of his time trolling USU's comment boards? Don't
mistake THAT for a rivalry. Several people on here are talking about
the possibility of Olsen getting drafted and I think it's just way too
early to tell. It also doesn't help that only one player in SUU history has
ever been drafted to the NFL, and that was just last year.
Cougar fan better hope Hill stays healthy even with a very weak 2014 schedule.
54iqHow about you respond to the original question?Whittingham's QB recruiting and coaching resume has been a disaster.Bronco had the #5 pick in the draft last season. Who cares whether
Bronco "recruited" Ziggy. Bronco was the one who was insightful enough
to give Ziggy an opportunity to learn the game.How many walkons has
Whittingham coached from not even knowing how to don a pair of shoulder pads to
first round NFL draft pick? Compared to what Bronco accomplished
with Ziggy, Kyle is a rank amateur.
Tough situation, you hate to see a quality back-up QB take a Transfer if you are
BYU's coaching staff... But the kid is good (much better than any other
back-up in the state) and he deserves a shot at starting at the college level...
If he proves himself he may get a shot at the NFL and a number of other QBs from
smaller FCS schools have made it in the League (i.e. Joe Flacco, Baltimore; Doug
Williams, Washington DC; Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh; and Alex Smith, KC, etc.)
to just name a few...I wish him a lot of luck and I am very hopeful
that he succeeds down south... Unfortunately for him he got matched up against a
very talented dual threat QB in Hill...A suggestion for the ute
Trolls... Print your negative comments about Taysom Hill that y'all wrote
in this article and then pull it out in 10 years when he is putting up Steve
Young like numbers in the NFL to win his first league MVP award to go along with
his Super Bowl ring...Hill has crazy talent and will be a very good
one in two short years.
BYU has maxed out its potential with Mendenhall as coach. He's a great guy
who leads well with BYU's values but hasn't figured out the offensive
side of the ball. All great leaders recognize where they are weak and put in
someone strong in that area. We've struggled with a novice and a two-time
disaster at OC.I wish Ammon well, but wonder how starting football
could be more important than a degree from a better institution (the same reason
I think any scholar would be best off to go to Stanford over BYU). Isn't
SUU in Cedar City? Seems like all the community colleges in Utah have put a U.
behind their name in the past 10 years. Can someone please explain how this
works in UT?
Good luck Ammon and the T-birds in the Big Sky. Along with Coach Lamb and
Crowton, hopefully you will have a couple of great seasons over the Montana
schools and the rest to reach the FCS field of 24, where the champion of college
football is decided on the field! This new FBS field of 4 decided
by the opinion polls is a meager start. Perhaps some time in the distant
future, the major colleges will finally get it right when they expand the field
I'm sorry for my Cougars but I'm happy for Olsen doing what he feels
is best for him in his situation. Can't say I fault him for wanting an
opportunity to play. Here's wishing you good luck Mr. Olsen, and wish you
nothing but the best.
Good luck kid, hope it works out for you. I hate to see you go, but wish you the
Utes-Best Lil BrothersTaysom Hill is popping up on numerous Heisman
watch lists for 2014. Utah may not have a starter identified until the end of
fall camp.------Really? As a RB? Name a few watch
lists. I can't imagine one of the worst passing QBs in the nation being on
any list right now.
I don't know why anyone would bash on Hill at all. His pocket presence is
solid--not spectacular, but imagine if he had an O-line that actually
blocked...With even a moderate amount of time to throw, Hill would be
dominant. His reads are good and his decisions great for a Sophomore.
Seriously--if BYU had a Line even close to Wisconsin's, for example, they
would have pummeled everyone on their schedule last year. Give Hill an extra 2
seconds to throw, and watch what could happen.
Richard turning a BYU/SUU post around to mention the Aggies? Wow... can you say
consumed?chrisb, how many more stats can you throw around to try and
make the utes dismal seasons seem better?
eastcoastcougMendenhall doesn't need to figure out the
offensive side of the ball; he just needs a good offensive coordinator with a
solid offensive line to do that.
Development of the quarterback that is not starting, needs to be a priority.
Junk time in football games needs the backup out there throwing passes, not
handing off. Be more worried about your player development than worried that
you will offend some other coach by throwing the ball with your second string.
Also, if you have misjudged talent, you might have a chance to reconsider.
Additionally, it keeps the competition open and the backups a lot happier.
This is about my harshest critique of Bronco.
The vitriol is really making this more complicated than it needs to be.If he thinks he has a shot at the NFL, he has to go some place where he will
play.Two years is better than one, so he has to transfer down.SUU is as good a place as any, to play. If he doesn't make it in
the NFL, he can always go some place big for a masters degree.Bottom
line: he's a good kid with the courage to go make his own luck.Hill is a good quarterback who will get better with time, a lot better against
next years schedule, and a ton better if his line blocking for him improves.And as a final shot, how many kids Whit got into the NFL won't save
his job if he doesn't start winning more games, and Bronco could go forever
before another BYU player gets drafted, and keep his job, if they can win more
games.Just win baby.Or in Bronco's case, just win
and keep the kids clean.
@Chris BSUU is on Utah's schedule. You'll get a chance to
see just how your program can do against them in a couple years with Crowton at
the wheel. Teams will be different then so don't be surprised if the Utes
actually have a challenge on their hands when SUU comes to town.
Further evidence of the agreement between SU and the Y. Because they play
similar schedules, each year the "winner" between Crowton and Anae gets
to be Bronco's OC the following year, the " loser" goes back to SU
for more training and experience calling games at that level, kinda like the D
League.Apparently, the plan now includes quarterbacks, as well.
I'm sure Washington State loves Chris B talking up their future
D-Coordinator. By this time next year we'll never again have to hear about
all those QB's Kyle has put into the NFL, which is sad, because once the U
gives him his walking papers and hires a PAC-10 level HC they might actually
climb into the middle third of the conference.
BYUs QBs will be fine. Hill completed over 50% of his passes for nearly 3000
yards and rushed for 1348 yards...all behind a dismal offensive line. Clean up
the O-line and heck yes He's a Heisman contender.Uteology:Ever heard of Athlon Sports? They have Taysom Hill listed as a candidate in
2014. Just because your QBs stink doesn't mean you have to put others down.
Looking forward to 4-8 next year...exciting times for the Utes!
Ammon was the best QB BYU had and now they let him go. Ammon go rip it up at
SUU!!! I have seen you play a little in high school and I was very shocked that
BYU started Taysom in front of you. Good luck my friend.
Glad to see the new commenting rules have made a noticeable impact on the level
of dialogue here....
Wish him the best. Can not blame him at all. Hope he does well. Think he
will do great.Reminds me of Royce Bybee who I think was a better QB
than McMahon but got caught behind him and Jim did a great job. Don't get
me wrong Jim was fantastic but Royce was as good if not better. He made all the
national lists at Ricks and just got caught in a system with too many good
QB's. (He was 10 times a better man too) Also reminds me of Steve Young
at SF. To me he was much better than Montana yet Joe did a great job and was a
winner and until Steve got his chance then you knew how good he really was.
Still holds the NFL record for best QB rating overall. Betting
Ammon will do the same at SUU. Go SUU!
Uteology"I can't imagine one of the worst passing QBs in
the nation being on any list right now."That's because your
crimson goggles have blinded you to the real world outside of the crimson
bubble.Athlon and Bleacher Report have both published articles
listing Taysom as a potential Heisman candidate for 2014.With your
exceptional research skills, I'm sure you'll be able to find the
articles if you're really interested in reading them.btw,
Taysom Hill's Sophomore passing efficiency rating of 118.5 was BETTER than
Steve Young's 110.6 passing rating his Sophomore season.
TheNunThe real agreement is between the U and Wyo, which have agreed
to slowly swap coaching staffs since they're so much alike in leading teams
to 5-7, bowl-less finishes.
@ LonestarRunner-Yeah I'm a POTENTIAL Heisman candidate also.
LR:Nice post on the comparison with Steve Young. That said, it really
isn't a fair comparison because Steve didn't play a lot in his
sophomore year (a couple games when McMahon was injured). I think everyone
forgets that Steve had to develop a lot as a QB and it took time, even after he
went to the NFL. If Hill didn't have a strong arm or there were throws he
just couldn't make then I'd be saying something different, but his arm
is very strong and if he can develop and learn to go through his progressions
and stand in the pocket he'll be very good in the future. I had my doubts
early on, but he really showed some stuff as the season progressed.
Cougar Blue 1..... I'm with you!!!!! I too hope Anae is gone when Mangum
returns. In fact I would like to see him gone NOW!!!!!!
It's always interesting that certain Ute trolls (Chris and uteology for
instance) are always naive enough to come on these boards and make
unsubstantiated claims that show they either can't or don't read
football stats before writing.Hill started the first few games of
the season with bad passing numbers, but his second half numbers were better
than any QB at the U. Uteology should know that, but likes to pretend otherwise.
Only a few QB's in the nation have put up the passing-running
combo numbers that he did. Open-eyed Ute fans salivate at the thought of having
a QB like him. It literally hurts them inside to stifle the urge to admit it.
The closed-eyed ones cherry pick old numbers that end up making them look
out-of-touch.TheNun... from Grantsville... nuff said.They are
trying to get their digs in now before the Utes have another dismal record next
season in their "prestigious" PAC conference. After a third straight
year with a losing record and no bowl invites, their tough schedule will be all
they talk about. It's the easiest thing of all to predict about next
I wonder if Apo will follow him. bronco wasted some very good quarterbacks and
receivers by hiring anae back and playing nelson and hill.
"Athlon and Bleacher Report have both published articles listing Taysom as a
potential Heisman candidate for 2014."Was that before they
looked at YbU's powder puff schedule? Because with no body of work, and
inconsistent passing, you can chalk up his Heisman potential right next to
YbU's National Championship potential.
Smart kid. Wish him the best. He obviously believes he has a better chance to
make it to the NFL at SUU.
All I said was I'm impressed some aggies are giving Olsen credit. Notice
that the aggie regulars were on here long before I was.
I understand why he would do this. It makes sense. There is no offense at
BYU except for the last two quarterback to run the ball because they can't
throw. A passing quarterback has no place at BYU. Over time this mindset
will drag the Cougar program down the drain.
SportsFanOrem, UT... and exactly why was that directed at me?
My comment had nothing to do with Bronco, Whit, or Ziggy.
Hill is the real deal. You'll see. He has the gun and the legs. He'll
be a great QB.Ammon Olsen did the right thing for himself.Everybody, including me, were screaming for Lark during the Nelson broke back
years. In the Poinsettia Bowl, Lark showed why he couldn't beat out a guy
with a broken back. The coaches are not as stupid as we fans are.
@ Protecting This House:You're currently not protecting your
house. You're making it look uninformed by calling BYU's schedule
"powder puff" after the pre-conference schedule the Ute basketball team
just played. Another great example of the pot calling the kettle black. Even
audacious. The irony is almost laughable.Even a novice knows that
professional programs like Athlon and Bleacher Report list potential Heisman
candidates on what they've previously shown as individuals, and not what
their future team schedules look like. The improvement Taysom showed from the
beginning and throughout last season was astronomical. True unbiased pundits
noticed, and rightfully so.A good time to remind everyone that
schedules are made years in advance before anyone knows what those teams will be
like when the games are actually played. Auburn went from one of their worst
seasons ever to a championship contender in a single year.Interesting that Idaho State and Southern Utah are on the Ute's football
schedule... and not once admitted to by any Ute fan. Like Tators said... cherry
picking.That said, I'm hoping all local teams do well next
season. Some great football comes from our state almost every year.
Here are the end of season state football rankings.1- USU2- BYU3- (tie)Utah, SUU4- Weber St.5- Snow6- DixieOlsen will
help SUU surpass Utah for the next few seasons.And Ute fans, have a
winning season, then pop off. The pac 12 stickers still look cute though.
byu fans should be worried. With the way hill runs the offense he's
vulnerable, and then what?If hill has to miss any games and with
byu's schedule, bronco and his team will a laughing stalk if they
don't win at least 10 games.
It's interesting to hear all the arm chair quarterbacks tell us how it
really is. Haven't any of you ever paid attention to transfers that take
place each year. There isn't a school around that there are some unhappy
players who leave every single year. It isn't a reflections on the head
coaches ability, it's what the player feels best for them. Maybe they
can't play as good as the depth chart puts them, maybe it's personal
reasons, but the bottom line, is that, EVERY School around has transfers
everysingle year. Live with it folks, the coaches do.
ekuteDon't kid yourself - EVERY QB is subject to being injured
on every play.A pocket passer can be blind-sided or have a 300+
pound offensive lineman fall onto his knee just as easily as a running QB can be
injured. If you'd paid any attention at all you'd know that Taysom has
learned to slide far more often to avoid taking unnecessary hits.If
you're worried about BYU's backup to Hill, Billy Green certainly has
the skill set, see profile:
Billy Green: BYU QBTwo-time first-team AP All-State quarterback and
Cascade Conference Offensive Most Valuable PlayerLed King’s
High School to an 11-1 season as a senior in 2012 and completed 196 of 304
passes for 2,997 yards and 46 touchdownsDual-threat signal caller
also rushed 80 times for 432 yards and six scoresPassed for 2,397
yards and 40 touchdowns as a junior while adding four rushing touchdowns2011 Football Universe Regional Top Gun MVP and National Underclassman
Regional MVPAlso recruited by Notre Dame, Oregon State, UCLA, Utah,
Washington and Washington State, among others
@Uncle Rico:I'm sure Olsen is a good QB; I saw him carve up USU in
Logan a few years ago. However, Hill will continue to improve as a passing QB.
He has reached out to NFL QBs, so that is a good sign that he wants to do
everything in his power to improve.
re : Billy Greeneasy to be a Regional MVP at Top Gun and
Underclassman Camp. As far as being recruited by OSU, Notre Dame, etc. that
doesn't matter as he wasn't even close to being offered by one of
them. One offer BYU.And his stats were good, but lets see them
against 5A ball not 1A classification (not his fault you play where you live).
But I wouldn't be bragging him up from what I have heard inside the
The Nun and Lonestar Runner, no the agreement is between Utah and whomever they
can get to take their coaches. Gary leaves Utah to become HC at SUU for one year
than returns to Utah. Then there's Arod who can't decide anything
except to be OC #5
@plyxplyPlease explain how, in your personal end of season rankings,
you can place both USU and BYU in front of Utah when Utah defeated both of these
teams. Doesn't head-to-head matchups count?Unbelievable.
Knocking 2014's schedule is foolish. Just look at how many winning
programs, ones that went on to bowl games this last season are on that schedule.
While Utah has an incredible schedule, they failed the last two years to be a
winning program. I don't see Utah getting out of its hole in the
near-future. BYU on the other hand can win and be successful. They play seven
bowl teams during the season. How often did they do that during the WAC years?
MWC? It RARELY happened back then. 2014 is probably in the top five all-time
difficult schedules if things play out in a typical manner. They win they will
be rewarded. They must win on the road in order to do that. Texas, UCF, and
Boise State are going to be very difficult games that if BYU takes will get them
recognition. USU at home if Chuckie is Chuckie is also a big game. Those four
are the biggest games, but don't forget MTS. They are a trap game and so
much better at home. 2014 is a fantastic schedule. Even the dogs (VA, UConn
and NV) look to be better than they were this year.
@ oldtimeftballer and ekute:Don't kid yourselves. It is NEVER
easy to amass the combined stats and recognitions that Green has. To try to
downplay being a 2-time AP All-State QB is ridiculous. I don't
dislike Utah. I have a nephew playing for them. But how many Ute quarterbacks,
regardless of where or when they played, can come close to matching the stats
and awards that Green has? And how many of them were recruited by Notre Dame
along with 5 PAC12 teams (among others)? You don't catch that level of
attention by just being so-so. Learn to give credit where credit is due...
regardless of where the athlete decides to play.I truly believe that
after Green gets the appropriate amount of snaps in Spring and Fall camps (that
he now will), BYU will be good hands if something should happen to Hill.
@CougsndawgsUteology:Ever heard of Athlon Sports? They have
Taysom Hill listed as a candidate in 2014. Just because your QBs stink
doesn't mean you have to put others down. Looking forward to 4-8 next
year...exciting times for the Utes!------------That's ONE, 20 more to go. The comment was "numerous" Heisman
2014 watch lists. Also, AS listed 25 candidates and have him
listed as a 2nd-tier candidate with just ahead of Navy's QB:"With an easier schedule and increased passing efficiency, Hill could make
some big noise in 2014."Easier schedule? Check!Increased
passing efficiency? TBDOur QB's have been injury prone,
regardless we can beat your team anytime.
mussingaroundPalo Alto, CA... sounds like a great one.On paper (see Jake Heaps).
It is really too bad that only one QB at a time gets the playing time they need
to fully develop. We have all seen excellent QB's languish on the bench
when they may have played at the next level if they had more playing time. James
Lark comes to mind. He was clearly a better passer than Nelson, as demonstrated
against the lack luster NW State.If he had more playing time he
might have been great.Ammon Olsen may get that playing time at SUU.
Cougar nation will miss him, but it is probably the right decision for him.
Hope Ammon has success at SUU.Hope the players currently there make
him compete...hard... for playing time...It will only make Ammon
better...as well as the rest of the team.
TatorsHyrum, UTIt's always interesting that certain Ute
trolls (Chris and uteology for instance) are always naive enough to come on
these boards and make unsubstantiated claims that show they either can't or
don't read football stats before writing.Hill started the first
few games of the season with bad passing numbers, but his second half numbers
were better than any QB at the U. Uteology should know that, but likes to
pretend otherwise. ------------Really?Hill's passing rating was great against mostly poor defenses (excluding
Utah State) but teams with a pulse he struggled (excluding Virginia), regardless
of when the game was played.In 6 out of 13 games Hill's passing
rating was bad.Hills QB rating the last 5 games? 117Schluz QB
rating the last 3 games, when he became the starter? 113 The
difference, Schulz won't be playing next year if Kyle wants to keep his
Sadly, this is a smart move for Ammon as Bronco, Anae and the rest of the
coaching staff are completely clueless. They have now totally whiffed on Heaps
and Nelson, bypassed Sorensen, Lark and now Olsen and Hill is by no means a sure
thing and probably playing the wrong position despite his many talents...of
which throwing the ball not being one of them. Go figure! So what do they do??
They change to an offensive system that they have zero experience with and
don't have the personnel or the speed to run. And to top it all off, the
team to the north has has put itself into prime position in the PAC12 while BYU
languishes in the failure of independence, no opportunity for championships of
any kind and crappy home schedules. It's a tough pill to swallow indeed.
Cougar Blue It's sad but BYU is no longer running an offense
that favors a pocket passer like Mangum. It's a good possibility that he
may end up transfering as well when he sees what Anae has done to the famed BYU
passing offense. The only transfer I'd like to see is that of Bronco and
Anae out of town. They're messing up BYU football
Uteology:I would venture to say Utah's offensive line is better than
BYUs, and I'd venture you would agree. Tell me you wouldn't want
Taysom Hill's skill set behind that O-line...but maybe you're
satisfied with your "top teir PAC12" wannabes taking snaps at the U like
the last 3 years.And apparently Washington doesn't have a pulse
because Hill threw for 288 yards and rushed for another 143 against them.
It's not his fault that Anae couldn't make the calls to get them more
TDs. He's got plenty of talent and given good protection and more
solidarity on the O-line I think he will prove that out. In the end we all know
you wouldn't mind seeing him wearing red at RES.
plyxplySLC, UTThe year end rankings after considering all
factors (excluding the HD truck, worldwide brand, legacy program, wet ball and
rain excuses etc)1. Utah2. Utah State3. BYUNot even in the same league as the top 3:4. SUU5. Snow6. Weber State7. Dixie
SUU is all over the news!
The bantering continues... I'm an Aggie, and what I've learned in
athletics, is that as an athlete, you compete at the level of your opponent. If
they are good, you raise your level of play. If they are average, you seem to
perform at an average level... As a Aggie, we've played well when
we've met the best.. played average when we played averaged teams.
Looking at the Utes and Cougars... Utes play in the pac 12 with much better than
average teams as opponents... the Cougars jump around from a good opponent to so
many average teams, that you can't possible say they are a great talent.
The bantering goes on with nothing but emotional bickering that has no merit.
SUU may do very well with this new QB... they don't face, day in and day
out, upper level programs.
gored, Utah was the better team at the beginning of the year, USU and BYU passed
them during the season and my speculation is that USU would've beaten Utah
had they played in Dec. Utah losing to BYU is a bit of stretch, but the way
Hill improved and Utah's qb situation worsened it seems a logical reach.
The Cougs backup situation is fine. Christian Stewart battled Ammon all season
long for the back-up spot. If Taysom gets hurt, he will be able to step up. The
kid has an arm!! (put up ridiculous #'s at Snow, programs probably thought
he was too short, but they said the same thing about Bree's, Wilson).
Taysoms accuracy will improve, but won't matter if the play calling
@ GoRed:The reason BYU and USU finished better in the rankings than
Utah, in-spite of the fact that Utah beat the others in head-to-head
competition, is the same reason Stanford finished ahead of Utah, even though
Utah beat them.Each team's entire season is considered more
than just any single game... with an emphasis on the most recent games. Any team
might win a battle against certain other teams, but still lose the season-long
war, depending on how their other games went. And that makes sense,
since some teams progress quicker than others as the season progresses.
Sometimes injuries to valuable players end up effecting outcomes. When any team
either wins or loses in an upset, it has to compared against the rest of their
games to have much relevancy, since any team can have an off-game.@
Uteology:Unless an obviously biased fan can statistically categorize
other team's defenses with proof, simply saying someone played against
"mostly poor defenses" is simply in the mind and perception of that
biased context. Exactly what you did.@ 54-10:Your list
simply demonstrates your extreme bias since no professional rankings agree. Comical.
I love kids who love to play and not ride the pine. Love Ammon and will be much
more interested in following SUU. Personally, I think he would have been a much
more traditional BYU quarterback, and I know that Gary Crowton is a coach that
can bring out the best in Ammon. Best of luck.
@CougsndawgsI'll take the healthy, Elite 11, Wilson over Hill.
At Utah Hill would be a safety.@TatorsYou call out my
lack of research then ask me to research defensive stats for you? How
typical.Defense Rankings According to NCAA (Hill's QB
Rating)#12 Boise State (159)#14 Utah State (155)#43 Georgia
Tech (158)#92 Middle Tennessee (141)#115 Houston (161)As
I said "most".
@objectified:Comparing byu's weak 2014 football schedule, with
the Utes' basketball weak pre-conference schedule? A ridiculous
apples-to-oranges comparison attempt.Too bad that scheduling years
in advance, didn't matter when uconn, virginia, nevada, middle tennessee,
unlv, and savannah state were scheduled. byu didn't know Cal would also
pose no threat. houston plays well against inferior opponents (similar to byu).
ucf looked good in their bowl game, but with their qb headed to the nfl, who
knows? boise's not a state will be a completely different team without
Peterson at the helm. If Chuckie is healthy, then Utah State and texas might
prove to be the only tough games for 2014 cougar football.It is
comical trying to combine idaho st and suu, even though the Utes aren't
scheduled to beat suu until 2016, same year as my Utes will go 5-0. Definite
cherry picking on your part. idaho st is the lone cream puff for the 2014 Utes,
as opposed to 6 plus cupcakes on byu's schedule. Not even remotely
comparable. That's not the pot calling the kettle black, that is reality.
@TatorsSorry, I forgot his best passing game rating at the end of
the season, without which Hill's rating would be below Schulz:#95 Nevada (160)He had 98 total passing yards in that game, 5
yards per attempt, even Heaps would look like a Heisman QB.
dww722BYU runs an offense that plays to the skill sets of its
players. When Mangum returns, Anae will simply return to what he ran when John
Beck was BYU's QB.BYU's offense has always been a
reflection of its starting QB.Shiede (scrambler) wasn't the
same as Nielson (pocket)Young (scrambler) wasn't the same as
Bosco (pocket).Walsh (pocket) wasn't the same as Doman
(scrambler).Beck (pocket) wasn't the same as Hill
(scrambler).Good coaches adjust to take advantage to the strengths
of their personnel.The reason the Heaps/Nelson experiment
didn't work is BYU was trying to run two completely different types of
offense in the same season.
plyxplySorry to burst you crimson bubble, but a team that
wasn't even good enough to qualify for a bowl, doesn't deserve a top
rating:Utah finished a distant 2nd to BYU in the final BCS
standings:#40 BYU#54 UtahAnd in almost all
national rankings, including Sagarin's PURE_ELO ranking, which was used in
the bcs ranking formula that Utah fans have always claimed was the
end-all-be-all of final season rankings:CBS SportsBYU 51Utah 71SagarinBYU 39Utah 65ColleyBYU
33Utah 58A-HBYU 36Utah 45BillingsleyBYU 35Utah 65MasseyBYU 41Utah
39WolfeBYU 36Utah 52
SUU is picking up a good QB and Taysom will have an even better year. He is the
type of QB of the future - one that is multi-dimensional. More than anything
though he needs protection from what has been a week O-line at BYU for the past
few years.Face it Utes, BYU runs this state and will for a very long
time. The comments on Ute articles in the DNews or SLtrib by BYU fans is about
1:10 compared to the BYU articles on either the DNews or SLtrib.
@ProtectthishouseReally? savannah state was scheduled two months
ago! Another great Sr night the first of November.
LTKSavannah State in 2014 is simply BYU's "money game"
equivalent of Utah scheduling Idaho State, Weber State, Northern Colorado, and
Montana State the last four seasons.At least BYU's seniors
won't have to worry about losing their last game at home to a pathetic 3-10
team like Utah's seniors did in 2011.
@ Uteology@ Utah Hill would be a safety?I doubt that, Hill was
recruited to be a qb by the same coach who recruited Andrew Luck.Look at
the Elite 11 competition a low percentage ever make it to the NFL ~ 25% make
it.a much smaller percentage start in the NFL.Jake Heaps is one of 2
Elite 11 qbs from 2009 that has an award 2010 new mexico bowl MVP.The
elite 11 really doesn't mean much.
Best of luck Ammon!!!!!!
Best wishes at SUU. Kids want to play and backing up Taysom Hill is not the sure
way to do it. Only one person can be first on the depth charts. On the other
hand, college football is replete with back ups becoming starters as the result
of an injury.
@ ThesportsauthorityYou failed to reference the only rating that
mattered to BYU fans, the saragin rankings, prior to this year. Utah #33, BYU
#34. You lost on the field and in the rankings. Utah was better when they played
and at the end of the season.
My mistake, wron year. This yearSagarin Rankings:Utah #34BYU #35
Uteology"I'll take the healthy, Elite 11, Wilson over
Hill."Tanner Mangum and Jameis Winston were co-MVPs of the 2011
Elite 11 camp.Travis Wilson didn't even make the cut to the
final Elite 11.Gotta love the spin though. Thanks for playing.
@Lefty200You don't call the number 1 team at our level an
"upper level program"?
Spokane UteRead more carefully; TheSportsAuthority did reference the
Sagarin rankings.On closer examination of the overall season, most
fans would take a #35 BYU(8-5), winning bowl seasonover
a minuscule place higher finish#34 Utah(5-7), losing bowl-less
I've said from day one of the Anae decision. He will not develop QBs into
NFL caliber players. I think that Olsen saw this along with the depth chart and
realized he needed to take his talents elsewhere.
The sagarin rankings and scoreboard don't lie. Mark that down!
Ammon made the right choice and SUU is getting one heck of quarterback. He will
do well in Cedar City. But seriously, Hill could throw with his left hand and
run on one leg and still win at least 10 games next year with the very, very
soft schedule that BYU has for the 2014 season. Anything less than 10 wins would
be a major disappointment for sure.
Uteology:"I'll take the healthy, Elite 11, Wilson over Hill. At
Utah Hill would be a safety."Well you just demonstrated why Utah
will never have a top tier QB and never compete offensively in the PAC12. It
would be typical for Utah to waste that kind of arm strength and ability to
create and extend plays on filling the safety position. Steve Young would have
been a safety at Utah too because he was fast and athletic and was actually a
worse passer at the same point as Hill in his collegiate career...ya good call.
Btw Wilson didn't make the elite 11 cut...but don't let
facts get in your way, this is your parade and who am I to rain on it.
@Cougsndawgs @UteanymousThe question that was asked was would
you choose Hill as a QB? The answer is not over Wilson. Wilson was
an Elite 11 QB, Hill was not.Hill could be the next Steve Young, but
as of today he's Riley Nelson 2.0.
Uteology:Riley Nelson 2.0? Ok, now I know you're just blowing smoke.
RN never approached 700 yards rushing let alone 1350. RN had a weak arm and
couldn't make all the throws and didn't put up as good passing numbers
as Hill. To even make that comparison is ridiculous and shows that either you
didn't really watch Hill or Nelson or that you're just trying to be