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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 22 2014 5:10 a.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

They benefit this resident big time. In cash, for out of state deliveries.

road2provo
Davis, CA

California, has a very strong drinking culture. I live in a college town surrounded by arguably the nation's best wine country. The last jury duty selection process for an alleged DUI made me witness to an alarming number of potential jurors that had a family member or friend involved in a DUI. I tell you, it was down right scary and changed the way I perceive driving among my fellow Californians. In the jury deliberation, there were even those that were very sympathetic to the defendant in part because of their alcoholic relationship behind the wheel. This is gravely symptomatic of the alcoholic culture LDS leaders are describing.

The numbers don't lie and Utah's laws produces the best results amidts a diversity of laws across the country . Any suggesting improvements or modifications to the law should argue their point based on successfully improving public/family safety. Its just hard to find a better reference point of outside regulation on successfully detering negative alcoholic outcomes when there is none better.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Thank goodness I have our state government to tell me what's good for me. Without them I would have no idea what to drink or who I should marry. Can't wait to see what other "thoughtcrimes" the legislation goes after this time around.

Larry Chandler
CEDAR CITY, UT

Certain laws do promote temperance, but not all. The "Zion Curtain" where people can't see a drink being prepared does not promote temperance. People who might be influenced by the appearance of a mixed drink can still see it once it's poured and can still hear people talk about enjoying it.

People who are told they cannot buy a particular brand out of state not sold in Utah don't drink water or lemonade instead. They will simply chose another brand. And most people who insist on a particular brand, still buy it out of state. All this particular law does is inconvenience people, but does not reduce alcohol abuse.

Not allowing cold drinks to be sold in state stores (on the grounds a cold beer will be consumed immediately) does not prevent those so inclined from buying and immediately consuming a warmer beverage and does not prevent those from buying a cold beer with slightly less alcohol at Wal-Mart, and immediately drinking more than one.

The only reasons these laws exist is to remind people that the state is in control. Nanny state indeed.

niners
SAINT GEORGE, UT

While I do not agree with religion ever being envolved in politics, creating/changing laws etc. I have to say, if Utah's alcohol laws prevent even one death per year, the alcohol laws are worth keeping.

lindaj72
salt lake city, UT

I grew up in northeast Tennessee. I don't know what the laws are there now on alcohol, but back then we had dry and wet counties. My county of Sullivan was a dry county and every Friday night people were headed to Washington County for their "goodies." Also, the county where Jack Daniels is made is a dry county. They can make it there but they can't drink it. Perspective. Utah is not unique. I was married to a raging alcohol who ended up killing himself. I for one applaud the Church's stance, and the State of Utah's efforts to balance allowance and control in order to have a safer society.

desert
Potsdam, 00

This is one restriction after another one.Complicated involvement for more government.
However I like to understand why the church is taking side on issues such as this ?
If the Lord is at the head of this church, then we should find some teachings behind all of it.

I look at it this way, someday Mormons expect a land of peace and children being raised without sin.

If the church had full influence on our daily life in public streets,
I can think of having tough traffic regulations,tough substance regulations to keep children out of harms way etc.

The meaning of gospel influence in legal matters is not as much for adults as for providing secure soils to raise kids.

Nephi 30 : (And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’s den.

They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.)

After Baptism we were in need of milk before we could chew on meat, so children are vulnerable.

Johnny Moser
Thayne, WY

Lived in Utah for many years and then moved to Arkansas. The people complaining about the liquor laws in Utah have never lived in the south and had to deal with blue laws, dry counties, or dry cities. Mormons had nothing to do with those laws.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Government control by nanny state. Where is private enterprise?

KJB
Arco, ID

Tennessee and Kentucky still do have dry counties. In late 2011, voters in Hardin County, Kentucky, approved a change in their laws to allow alcohol sales. There was a substantial spike in DUI arrests the first week. Since there hasn't been any real public outcry, I suspect things have settled and the sober drivers are just dealing with it by this point.

If anyone were to ask me my biggest concern about a person buying a bottle of wine from the store on a Sunday, it is that the person might drink it up before they get home. Shouldn't most imbibers be winding down their weekend drinking by this point?

donn
layton, UT

unfortunately people don't take Paul’s advice of Moderation:

1 Timothy 3:8 In the same way, deacons are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain.

1 Timothy 5:23 Stop drinking just water, but use a ‘little wine’ for your digestion and your frequent illnesses

Wine(oinos) was used by. Melchizedek, Gen 14:18. And Jesus 2:1-11, He turns water into wine not wine into water. Mogen David is popular for the Jewish Passover in modern times.

MT 9:17, Mark 2:22 implies fermentation.

Wine (gleukos)denotes “sweet” new wine. Acts 2:13 where the accusation shows that it was intoxicant and must have been undergoing fermentation.

Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.(Mt 15:11).

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

KJB

Apparantly you don't drink wine do you. Furthermore, why could somebody open a bottle they bought at a grocery store and drink it while driving, but not do the same thing when buying it at the liquor store? That makes no sense.

They sell beer at grocery stores, and they are easier to open and drink then a bottle of wine. The odds of somebody doing that with beer is much higher then with wine. I don't think many people do that anyways.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

@FatherOfFour

"Large amounts of soda is also really bad for you, as are Big Macs and too much bacon. When are they gonna start passing laws for these things too?"
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When Big Macs, bacon, and large amounts of soda kill others in accidents and cause violence in domestic disputes then perhaps laws will be passed for those things too.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

For most people, what is the purpose of drinking alcohol? The argument that is used, is that people can't have a nice cold beer with their lunch or dinner, or a glass of wine etc. The law does allow people to have those drinks with their meals. People can purchase alcohol and consume it in their home.

For being such a dry state, we still have people that manage to get drunk, beat their spouse while intoxicated, have babies that are affected by alcohol.

Yes, people like to drink. But, should everyone be forced to pay for their bad/poor decisions that got them to that point?

Can anyone explain how that is fair?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I wish the LDS Church would make as strong a stance about extremely powerful mind altering psychotropic medications as it does about non-medicating tobacco and beverages.

MoreMan
San Diego, CA

Theocracy is nothing like Democracy. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Shazandra
Bakersfield, CA

@MoreMan-
In a democracy you can wake up and actually drink the coffee, as opposed to a Utah theocracy where only smelling java is allowed, if you value your eternal exaltation,

And that's fine with civil liberarians, but not with Biblical Christians on the theological issue.

Congratulations to LDS Church leaders for taking a public moral stand on what should be a No-brainer common sense issue. I happily left the Church many years ago for theological reasons, but I continue to treasure my moral heritage and ethics from the Church's wisdom and practices.

Just driving back home into my tolerant liberal state from Utah/Idaho makes me cringe to the reality of our abysmal DUI-death stats. There is a price to pay in a "democracy" in paradise...

JSB
Sugar City, ID

@ King's court: "the current state of the law is a mish-mash of illogical nonsense." I don't disagree but it seems to work because regarding alcohol abuse, Utah is the safest state in the country. If fewer children have access to alcohol, then that is a step in the right direction. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

D4inSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Sorry Im not buying it - This is a religious issue for the church. No question that the church has the right to voice its opinion. Lets just call it what it is. If it/they truly cared about the "1 more life", there would be a video about the dangers of texting while driving, which has been shown to be just as dangerous as drinking and driving.

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

Utes Fan
"When Big Macs, bacon, and large amounts of soda kill others in accidents and cause violence in domestic disputes then perhaps laws will be passed for those things too."

Big Macs, bacon and large amounts of soda may not kill others in accidents and cause violence, but they do just as much harm with diabetes, high cholesterol, heart problems, and the such. They are just as bad for society as alcohol, they simply take longer to manifest their problems.

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