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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 22 2014 5:10 a.m. MST

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threedegreecougar
Kaysville, UT

So what the church is really saying is that it isn't its own doctrine, teachings and the 60-some percent of Utah's wholesome church membership that keeps down Utah alcohol related ills. It's government enforced regulation and laws. Interesting that it would imply the impotence of its own teachings and influence, and rely on civil force to regulate morality.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

While I believe that Latter-Day Saints need to always remember the statement: "the Church does not contest the fact that alcohol is socially acceptable in our society and should be available to those who want it."

At the same time, before this turns into a "keep the Church out of our laws" discussion, please consider the following:

According to the World Health Organization (Fact Sheet, February 2011):

-The harmful use of alcohol results in 2.5 million deaths each year.

-320 000 young people between the age of 15 and 29 die from alcohol-related causes, resulting in 9% of all deaths in that age group.

-Alcohol is the world’s third largest risk factor for disease burden; it is the leading risk factor in the Western Pacific and the Americas and the second largest in Europe.

-Alcohol is associated with many serious social and developmental issues, including violence, child neglect and abuse, and absenteeism in the workplace.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

I'm grateful I live in a state where fewer people drink and where drinkers have to go a little out of their way to drink. This means our state is safer for not having been killed by drunk drivers. Also fewer families struggle with alcohol abuse.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Is there any finer example of pure socialism than the DABC? Certainly the control of alcohol consumption through the state liquor store system achieves the policy goals of controlling overconsumption, underage drinking, and DUIs, as stated in the article. But surely this state, with its many entrepreneurs, right wing think tanks (e.g. Sutherland), and conservative academics and politicians could come up with an alternative system that achieves the same ends through freedom-affirming, free market-based mechanisms. Utahns claim to chafe at the "government takeover of health insurance" of the Affordable Care Act, but they seem indifferent to the government takeover of alcohol retail locally. Why the double standard? And why are they bereft of alternative nonsocialist ideas? Where are the cries for liberty when it comes to alcohol policy?

Area 52
Tooele, UT

@threedegreecougar

So how exactly does the LDS church "imply the impotence of its own teachings and influence, and rely on civil force to regulate morality"?

Andy
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Effective argument, good ad. Well done.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Coffee is also dangerous to the body. Ingesting any type of amphetamine on a daily basis is terrible for your heart. Large amounts of soda is also really bad for you, as are Big Macs and too much bacon. When are they gonna start passing laws for these things too?

desert
Potsdam, 00

Sometimes we forget that it takes time for each person in life to realize what bad habits and harmful substances can do. This time should be granted to learn and get a hold of yourself.

What the government is doing here, is to protect those who have reached that point of wisdom.
World wide there is a tendency to acknowledge the benefits of protecting its citizen from harmful substances. Comercial interest is holding back on it. It wants to keep fooling people.

Remember? : (Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation)

Now you can argue is this religious or health issue related?
The whole idea of having hospitals in the first place came from religion.
You want to get rid of hospitals because of that ?

BCA
Murrieta, CA

Also, we would all be safer if we just stayed inside our houses. I don't drink but treating adults like kids isn't a reasonable societal approach. The legislature in Utah only thinks it is because of religion. When the legislature is not a Mormon majority (if that day ever comes) the state statutes will normalized.

People with guns are more likely to get killed by guns. Don't think Utahans will be limiting them any time soon. Unfortunately, stuff happens. BTW, I don't own a gun, either.

slcman
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

What would be the negative consequence of allowing me to buy a bottle of wine in a grocery store?

Esquire
Springville, UT

While I'm LDS and I do not drink, my view is that Utah's liquor laws are ludicrous. They are based on the long-standing policy influence of the Church. The biggest reason why Utah has a lower incidence of alcohol problems is not because of the laws, as those who want alcohol can and do obtain it. It is because Utah Mormons are largely non-consumers of alcohol. The results are based on religion, not due to the liquor laws. While I respect any church's right to speak out on moral issues, let's be honest that this is meant to dictate public policy.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@Esquire

Having good laws concerning alcohol do help make Utah's society better and safer, Mormon population or no.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

Great video!

The illustration balances social benefits with feelings of both LDS members and everyone (whether you drink or not). Very well said.

Thanks!

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ the truth, that's a false argument. My time on the East coast gives me the right to say it doesn't matter as much as you think it does. But it also makes life harder for people who do enjoy alcohol and consume it responsibly. Don't try to make LDS doctrine the standard for other people who see things differently, and that is really what this is about.

Semi-Strong
Louisville, KY

Lagomorph,

Interestingly, New Hampshire also has state liquor stores. Though more of a purple state now, NH was historically quite conservative Republican.

FatherOfFour,

I think we regulate amphetamines.

bshelt
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

It's all about control. We as LDS members are so outraged at the prospect of the government having control over any part of our lives, healthcare, taxes, freedom, regulation, guns, school choice, on and on and on. Why are we not outraged at the social control of a legal substance. We treat people who drink like children that cannot make a good decision so the state and the church will make it for them. Remember how we detest the notion that the "government"knows whats best for us. We subsidize our children's education with the funds that are collected from this ill-gotten substance. We as conservative, independent, freedom loving people should practice what we supposedly preach.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

I don't mind having sensible alcohol laws, but the current state of the law is a mish-mash of illogical nonsense. To make matters worse, it is a completely socialist system. The private sector could do a better job of managing alcohol in Utah. Right Republicans?

southmtnman
Provo, UT

I'm still trying to figure out what is "socially beneficial" about restricting the sale of beer in supermarkets on Sundays?

Sundays are special why? Do too many young LDS boys try to sneak out of priesthood and go grab a quick brewsky? So LDS Church leaders use the force of law to enlist the supermarket employees to police those rambunctious boys?

What is that all about?

Cougar in Texas
Houston, TX

As the ad explains, other states have liquor laws that are much more restrictive than what you have in Utah. The city where I now live has just approved liquor sales for the first time ever.

As for those who claim that it is not the law, but the predominance of non-drinking Mormons that results in Utah's low rate of alcohol-related deaths, one glance at the by-state listings of alcohol-related deaths should support this, but it does not. Idaho and Wyoming have the next highest concentration of LDS membership, but they are not next lowest in alcohol-related deaths after Utah. (NHTSA, 2012 data).

Certainly there are other factors; however, I congratulate Utah for being by far the safest place to drive without fear of being hit by a drunk driver, and the good news is that traffic-related deaths are decreasing overall across the US.

kfbob
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Lagomorph:

I think that the State gov't should regulate all poisonous substances like cigarattes, alcohol and harmful chemicals. I don't think that healthcare is something that requires the state to intevene and control.

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