We all know this is about Hillary being the likely democrat candidate and
general Obama hysteria.Or you would be screaming about how 9/11 was
"preventable". We were "un-american" for saying anything about
how 9/11 was preventable.Funny how there is no conservative
curiosity about how the 3rd building (bld 7) came down on 9/11 without being hit
by an airplane..
Please correct me if I am wrong but our embassy is located in Tripoli not
BengahaziIn Bengahazi is should be called a Consular Office or
something like that.
Republicans (well the most right wing kooky ones anyway) won't be satisfied
unless Obama resigns because of Benghazi. Ridiculous and hypocritical given
that they didn't care what happened under Bush, but true nonetheless.
"It would help if Obama would accept responsibility, apologize...to the
nation (not Republicans, or any specific party), and compromise to get things
done."I guess it comes down to what level of apology or
compromise you are looking for. If you are looking for either side to say the
other is right…. its going to be a long long wait. If you are looking
for them to say they have made mistakes, that has been done by both sides
already as well.I think some have completely unreasonable
expectations of the kind of victory they are expecting.
Real Maverick,We need to move beyond Bush in every way. We are
talking about the Obama administration. Precedent can be set by previous
administrations, but if we are unhappy with those administrations, then why
refer to the precedents that were set by them.It would help if Obama
would accept responsibility, apologize...to the nation (not Republicans, or any
specific party), and compromise to get things done.
The answers on Benghazi aren't hard to find. They are out there if you
keep it simple and refer to the first hand reports of the people actually
involved. It only gets cloudy when the political angles and spin-meisters and
media opinion-makers get involved. Then knowing who to trust and any ability
to making real sense out of everything that's being said goes out the
window.At this point there's no "Truth" on this
subject, just spin. The actual truth was covered up long enough in the
beginning that "at this point what difference does the truth make"!!!It's all just spin, hype and political damage control.
Repubs want the President to apologize for the repub congress cuts to security
funding? Am I in the twilight zone here?Pres Obama should apologize
for Benghazi once mr chaffetz apologizes for cutting its funding. And after bush
apologized for Medicare part D, the bailouts, the patriot act, tax cuts which
didn't create jobs, Katrina, and of course, Iraq.
"From the article, "The issue is not whether the Obama administration
tried to spin the news about Benghazi during the campaign that’s over
— but whether the Obama administration, including Secretary Clinton, had a
fatal misconception of the nature of the foe we face in the war on
terror."Fatal misconception?? How generously kind wording of Mr.
Bennett. If they knew, and the evidence indicates that they did know very well,
how great the danger of terror attacks had become, it is a lot more than a fatal
misconception. Depraved indifference would be more like it. Failing to address
the safety and security needs of our ambassador and company to gain polling
points is criminal, or at least it should be. Remember Gates says
that both Hillary and Barak admitted to taking a stand against the surge in Iraq
based on politics, not based on what was best for the US or our troops. Seems
like it has become a habit for them.
Perhaps one reason Republicans continue investigating, talking about, and
criticizing the administration over Benghazi, is because this administration
refuses to apologize, refuses to compromise, in many cases ignores law, & is
simply wrong on too many issues. Benghazi is a serious failure of
the State Department. But it is one of many serious failures. The GOP, and
more and more Americans, simply don't trust Obama any longer.That is why this won't go away.
It is remarkable that something like the tragedy of Benghazi, where a clearly
anti-American attack on an American consulate with deadly consequences, can
incite the same polarized partisan sniping from the same polarized
commentators.I have never joined any political party. I've
never found one I thought had the interests of the whole country as its primary
concern. I confess I find Hillary Clinton and her party particularly loathsome,
and primarily for the same reason, since that party seems particularly focused
on party politics versus national interest.But, to be honest, I find
the whole political process to be so short-sighted and parochial it's
becoming more and more difficult to believe anyone involved.And
**that** is what I find most disturbing.Far too many people get
caught in the political gear gnashing as the country continues a downward slide.
And some, far, far too many, pay for it with their lives.I'm
trying hard to figure out what to do but still can't come up with anything
better than to do my very best to vote for what seems, more and more, to be the
least of evils.
I always thought GW Bush was unfairly criticized for reading "The Pet
Goat" and playing with kindergartners for 20 minutes after being informed of
the second plane hitting the WTC, relying on his aides to gather information and
assess the situation before taking action. That was all captured on film.I'm willing to cut Obama the same slack for undocumented
allegations of golfing or card games or whatever the right-wing radio accusation
du jour happens to be.
Those who defend Obama's "right" to play golf or play cards instead
of sitting in the situation room and fulfilling his duty as Commander in Chief
will always blame a video or George Bush or the phase of the moon instead of
taking responsibility. That is the problem. Obama will not take responsibility
for his own actions. Those who follow in Obama's footsteps will not take
responsibility for their own actions. Hillary is an Obama clone. Susan Rice is
an Obama clone. No matter what the facts are, they will tell us what Obama
wants us to hear. While he was playing cards, four Americans were slaughtered.
Four of our fellow citizens were brutally killed while Obama, Hillary and Susan
made up stories about a "video" being the cause of the attack. Four
AMERICANS were slaughtered when help was at hand, while Obama played poker with
those who were assigned to protect HIM from harm.When the blood of
patriots cry out, Obama will be seen as who he really is, someone who played
cards while Americans died.
Mountainman.So, do you call out every politician who lies or bends
the truth?Mr Romney did not run an overly clean/truthful
campaign.You are quite selective in your condemnation.And you use quite the list of caveats in an attempt to make this
"different" from those under Bush.
Actually Louie, Mr. Bennett's speculation about Mrs. Clinton's hubris
is a plagiarism of a New Yorker magazine article. Wow, who would think Mr.
Bennett a plagiarist?In reality I think it's a very good
question and one that doesn't necessarily conflict with Mr. Stevens refusal
of added security. In fact it actually sheds light on just how complicated
embassy security is in this part of the world and exactly the kind of question
we should be looking at not what Susan Rice said on Sunday morning, or trying to
make a second rate terrorist into an Al Queda operative. Second rate terrorists
are dangerous all by themselves. Unreconstructed, makes a good
point that enhances the point I'm trying to make here. By being distracted
with the concocted cover ups and videos no one has seriously discussed the
consequences of American support for paramilitary groups in this area while
blight fully going on our way cutting funding for security and threating war
Everyone agrees security was inadequate in Benghazi...after the fact. But who
cut the funds for security? Our local representative, Mr. Chaffetz voted to cut
those funds. Now he is red-meat angry about the lack of security in Benghazi.
This is called "irony."
"Perhaps it’s because she (Hillary Clinton) and others in the
administration were so proud of their role in getting rid of Gadhafi, which they
saw as the beginning of an Arab Spring that would transform the Middle East,
that they were loath to even consider the possibility that post-Gadhafi Libya
could be a dangerous place in which significant anti-American attitudes could
germinate." Another GOP conjecture, just maybe? Why, Mr. Bennett, did you
not cite other statements in the report that indicated Ambassador Stevens,
himself, turned down an offer for a US military escort, before this event.
Obviously, in hindsight, there where failures and a lack of coordination with
the State Department and our Military, which was reiterated in the Senate
Report. Unfortunately we have other elected officials who start
their congressional investigation with comments such as "Impeachment is on
the Table", you really wonder how bipartisan their intentions are. By the
way, after several months of investigation absolutely nothing has surfaced that
would suggest an impeachment hearing...only in the hopes and fantasies of
Of course, the budget bill passed last week cut the State Department's
budget appropriations for embassy security by $223 million, and shot down
State's attempt to consolidate its Vatican mission within the Rome embassy
for security reasons.Nope, the outrage over consulate security in a
war zone isn't political at all.
mountainman - before you ask people to go read the report claiming " It
contradicts EVERYTHING Obama, Susan Rice and Hillary claimed", just perhaps
you should read it yourself first. Trusting talk radio or what ever your
source is does not match actually reading the report.Now that said,
I am pretty sure even if you did read the report…. it wouldn't change
your mind because you don't' seem to have any desire to find truth,
but rather just justify your feelings of hate towards Democrats.Show
me the page and line number that states the military could have saved these
people, but didn't because the administration held them back…. find
it… and let us all read it.
I don't know what to make of this. I think what worries me the most, and
sickens me the most is the political nature of it all. The accusations seem to
be mostly political in nature. Some of the defensive responses surely have an
air of politics involved.What is clear is Stevens knew the
environment he was operating in. When it comes to the military, there are those
who say "they signed up for the duty knowing the risks" as justification
to sending troops to that region of the country. Same can be said of Stevens
and everyone else who was there in theater. They knew Libya was a very
dangerous place.And yet we mourn the loss of Stevens, undoubtedly a
very patriotic man, we mourn his loss far greater than many on most others
Just this week we lost more Americans in Afghanistan in a Cafe bombing - and no
outcry. And why is this? Is perhaps there aren't political points to be
made… therefor these lives go lost without much attention. Why are four lives in Libya a much greater loss then hundreds in Afghanistan
The White House's response to this tragedy has four priorities. 1. Protect
the administration from any culpability. 2. Shield Hillary Clinton at all costs.
Her incompetence must not be exposed. 3. Do not implicate al Qaeda. The
president has said they are on the run because of his policies and we cannot
contradict that. 4. Uncover the facts if they do not involve 1-3.
Once again pure hatred for Barack Obama obfuscates the real dangers learned in
Benghazi about US foreign policy and even about the people responsible for
it's creation and administration. Lessons that should have been learned 10
years earlier in the Bush administration but were covered up and buried, only to
surface again in places like Libya. Talking points on Sunday TV
shows, what role did the mob play (and there was a mob), videos etc. are all
political fuel, and pretty much unimportant when compared to true life and death
topics of intervention, allies, intervention consequences. Hillary
Clinton gave the Republicans the biggest gift of her career when she said
"What does it matter" referring to videos etc. but they were way too
blinded by the shiny penny of immediate political blame, as are most of
conservatives on this thread.
The obsession with the anti-Muslim video is bizarre to me. It drew considerable
attention in th days preceding the attack. Other embassies in the region were
being protested by mobs of angry Muslims. When the initial reports of the
attack broke, my first response was that it was directly connected to those
protests. The first response of much of the media was the same. Apparently it
was the initial response of many in the intelligence community. It was a
natural assumption to link the two events. I simply don't understand the
accusations that it was used to deflect attention from an organized terrorist
attack when in the immediate aftermath it was an easy conclusion after years of
seeing the famed angry 'Arab Streets' in action.
Pragmatist. Do yourself a favor and go back and read the Senate Committee report
about Benghazi. It contradicts EVERYTHING Obama, Susan Rice and Hillary claimed!
So the obvious question left is who is lying, the Senate committee or Obama and
his staff? Since the answer is obvious, the only questions left is, why the
lies, distortions and cover-ups? There is only one reason: protect Hillary!
Probably no other thing could ever well display the hate campaign against
President Obama by the right wing and the republicans. That incident has been
singled out of the thousands of unfortunate failures that our government, and
certain private interests, impose on the world every day. There are many more
worthy scandals to spend billions of dollars of taxpayer money on. The reason we have foreign embassies is for the assistance of commercial
business in foreign lands. The reason we have military stationed all over the
world is for the same reason. The reason we give away so much military foreign
aid is also for the same reason. And the reason for these actions is the we
allow business to control our government.
Roland hit it on the head. In context of all the attacks and deaths in US
consular facilities in the few years leading up to this one, tragic as they
were, little was said and little political hay made of it. Wow, is this one
being dragged around, though. It sure seems like a disingenuous effort on the
part of the people doing it.
Obama tells us that the "video" was widely discussed and that it
inflamed "mobs" who then just happened to reach the boiling point on
9/11. He also told us that he knew nothing about the NSA spying on us. He told
us that we could keep our health insurance and our doctors. He told us that he
had "shovel ready" jobs waiting if we would just let him have a few
trillion dollars to spread among this "friends". He's told us a
lot of things, none of which have been true. Why would anyone believe him when
he told us that a "video" caused that attack on 9/11 in Benghazi?The Senate told us that had the State Department done its job, that that
attack would not have taken place. How is that George Bush's fault? Obama would like us to blame Hillary. Playing poker was more important
to him than doing his job as Commander in Chief. Hillary thinks that it was no
big deal. Many excuse Obama and Clinton. Obama and Hillary lied and four died.
Mountanman, "@ Roland Kayser. No other attack was blamed on a
video that no one saw" First of all that is blatantly false.
The video was widely discussed in Benghazi and used to create and inflame the
mob that forms at both compounds.Secondly if that's the path
you want to go down then to Roland's point where were the heads that rolled
after we were actually warned in advance of the Karachi bombing? Where was the impeachment push after it became clear that Bush had been warned
specifically about Al Queda threats for months in daily briefings prior to 9/11,
and instead kept his focus and the focus of the government on Sadham Hussein.
All while the conspirators were being arrested, deported and returning.Point is all terrorist attacks have details and specifics that are
controversial and messy. So to pick out Benghazi and make it the one where all
details need to be revealed and accounted for is pure politics. Nothing else.
The Senate has released their report. Unless there's evidence that shows
that President Obama and Hillary Clinton attacked the embassy themselves, what
does picking at this scab accomplish? Learn from these mistakes and move on.Then again, Republicans don't need to bother with new ideas and
actual policies when they can just keep parroting "Benghazi!" over and
over and over...
Senator Bennett seems to think that this new Senate report has new information.
It doesn't. It repeats the same points made by State's internal
review after the incident. What we've all known all along is this:
mission security was inadequate, and was known to be inadequate before the
attacks. Mrs. Clinton has said the same, admitting her mistakes in the episode.
What angers the Right is nonsensical trivia, like the Susan Rice talking points
Hillary wants to know what difference it makes. It's this: she and Obama
were going around selling the idea that Islamic jihadists were credible partners
for peace in the region. To have beefed up embassy security with American forces
would have been an admission that this view was incorrect. They weren't
willing to do this, especially not during election season, when their actions in
Libya were already being questioned. Our ambassador and the men around him paid
with their lives.This is why the Obama administration came up with
the lie about the video, and why they stuck with it so insistently. It was their
worldview versus reality. In the end, their lies couldn't cover up the fact
that Benghazi was a planned terrorist attack, carried out on the anniversary of
@ Roland Kayser. No other attack was blamed on a video that no one saw, covered
up, investigation stonewalled from the White House and lied about to protect
Hillary, who is ultimately responsible! That's the difference! "A
Senate report last week laid blame for the deadly Benghazi attacks on the State
Department, the military and intelligence agencies. That was a blow to Democrats
who wanted to blame it on delays at the George Washington Bridge." Jay
Democrats need this to go away so Hillary will be our next president!
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. 5 killed.June 14, 2002. Karachi,
Pakistan. 12 killed, 51 injured.February 28, 2003. Islamabad,
Pakistan. 2 killed.May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 36 killed.July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. 2 killedDecember 6,
2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. 9 killed.March 2, 2006. Karachi,
Pakistan, Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people,
including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers.
September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. 4 killed, 13 wounded.July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. 6 killed.All of these attacks on
U.S. diplomatic facilities occurred during the Bush administration. Neither Fox
News nor any Republican politician treated any of them as anything other than a
tragedy. Democratic politicians did not try to turn them into a scandal either.
There were certainly mistakes made in Benghazi, just as there were in all of
these other attacks, but the right wing freak out over Benghazi is pure