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Mike Sorensen: Boylen’s Utah players turned out to be pretty good

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  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 22, 2014 12:44 a.m.

    CG, that had absolutely nothing to do with my comment, but I'll play along. If the Cougs don't maintain that RPI in a little less than two months, their RPI-boosting losing record against top teams in the nonconference won't mean a thing, either.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 10:45 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    #38 BYU
    #122 Utah

    will be the most pertinent scores in a few weeks

    If the Utes don't improve their RPI dramatically by then, Utah's mid-December upset of BYU won't mean a thing in the larger picture.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 9:31 p.m.

    DeepBlue, I've never seen series records on a scoreboard. I see a score on the scoreboard. The one this year was 81-64 in favor of the red team.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    @DeepBlue

    Which scoreboard is that?

    BYU has won 11 of the last 13, 12 of 16 during the Dave Rose era, 129-126 overall.

    ------------

    The only one that matters this season: 84-61

    The 12 of 16 had more to do with Utah being horrible, we beat ourselves.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 21, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Wrong, we're better than you because we OWN scoreboard."

    Which scoreboard is that?

    BYU has won 11 of the last 13, 12 of 16 during the Dave Rose era, 129-126 overall.

  • R JOHNSON Saint George, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    Every time someone lists Utah's win - loss record this year they should be required to put an asterisk next to it. They are 14-4 because out of over 300 D 1 teams, they played the softest non-conference schedule in the country this year. The worst part of that is Utah actually has a pretty good team this year, but not nearly as good as their record would suggest. Just think they could be 18 - 0 if they had played a few more NAIA and bottom feeder D - 2 teams.

  • Buzzards LEHI, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    No real problem with the article except for the part about Utah having a shot at the NCAA's. Unless they win the conference tournament, their joke of an out of conference schedule has doomed them to the CBI if they are lucky.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    Boylen was a disaster and overall his players were anything but good.

    @Joe Schmoe
    Your envy shines throw, that will do for now.

    NevadaCoug: "...The "we're better than you because we play in the prestigious Pac-12!" crowd..."

    Wrong, we're better than you because we OWN scoreboard.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 11:01 p.m.

    In spite of the spin to qualify anything associated with Utah, all experts see things differently. PAC-12 is still rated the 3rd best conference, behind only very powerful and deep B1G and Big XII conferences.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Jan. 20, 2014 6:04 p.m.

    Figures. The "we're better than you because we play in the prestigious Pac-12!" crowd completely missed the sarcasm.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 6:00 p.m.

    @nevadacoug

    uhhh since when did AZ drop from the top ranked team in the country to #21? provide some substance with that please.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    LOL at squawking about being #6 in a league that has one really good team and a lot of mediocrity for the rest! Woohoo! Print some tshirts and throw a parade!

    It will be interesting to see where all of the teams from our great state end up in March.

    Who will make it to the big dance?

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    Correct if I am wrong. I thought UCLA was ranked 25th when Utah took them down. Isn't that a ranked team. That is what those liberal sports writers reported.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    "We all know that rankings only matter at the end of the season, right?"
    You are correct -- rankings at the end of the regular season.

    Since you accept that BYU football's "toughest season ever" consisted of only one ranked team (#19 Wisconsin), it's fair to point out that Utah basketball hasn't beaten a ranked team yet this season. But Ute fans are still happy with the team's progress.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    NevadaCoug, did I miss the end of the season already? Darn it!

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Jan. 20, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    " Sure they have Arizona at #1 but the drop off after that is pretty steep with Colorado at #21 and no other teams ranked."

    Make that Arizona at #21 and zero other teams ranked. Colorado has dropped from the rankings.

    And Utah hasn't beaten a ranked team. We all know that rankings only matter at the end of the season, right?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    "do you believe coaches only recruit players for a week "
    Trying to follow your math... let's see... Coach K was hired in April specifically in time for the START of recruiting season. April to August is span of 5 months, not "one week".

    The important thing is that coach had enough time to convince Jordan to help Utah rebuild and walk away from his 7 other offers (primarily Colorado). Great choice! Happy ending for all.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    I'm fine to let you Ute fans argue yourselves crazy about Boylen but I'm curious if the idea that the PAC is one of the best Bball conferences is legit. Sure they have Arizona at #1 but the drop off after that is pretty steep with Colorado at #21 and no other teams ranked. Are they really strong from top to bottom or are they pretty weak with one or two good teams and the rest are marginal & just beating each other up? It's really hard to tell especially if some teams play a very weak OOC-- and I'm not just talking about Utah so don't take that too personally. I just wonder how much of these reputations are built on real strength or if the emperor has no clothes.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 20, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    If Boylen’s Utah players turned out to be pretty good, why weren't Boylen's teams pretty good?

    He was fired after back-to-back losing seasons, suffered an embarrassing 1st round loss to a 12th seed in his only NCAA tournament appearance, and left the player cupboard bare for coach k.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Jan. 20, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    So Boylen recruited good players. Why did everyone think that Boylen couldn't recruit?
    Maybe the players didn't look good playing for him. Perhaps the only thing Boylen could do was recruit. He had good raw talent but could not coach well enough to develop the players and bring them to the next level.

    When somebody else can take your players and win with them and you couldn't, it doesn't look good.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    Those players mentioned, with the exception of O'Brien, are putting up good, not great, numbers against some of the very worst competition in the country. What isn't mentioned is that the guys that Coach K brought in for the terrible 2011-12 season are putting up similar numbers against similar competition: Kareem Storey 6.8 ppg 6 apg 3 rpg for Morehead State; Javon Dawson 8.1 ppg 6.9 rpg for Jacksonville U. So Boylen could recruit a majority of his team with guys who can start for teams in the bottom third of college basketball? Coach K did, too, in a matter of months because of the team he was left with. Since then, he's built a roster with one very highly coveted recruit (Loveridge), will have two more playing next season (Kuzma, Chapman), one very under the radar recruit (Wright), and filled the rest of the lineup with roleplayers (Tucker, Taylor) who turned down opportunities with a good St. Mary's team to rebuild a team. I'd say Larry's recruited better in two years than Jim did in five, and the team Boylen got wasn't in nearly as bad of shape.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    So Sooner, do you believe coaches only recruit players for a week or so before signing day? Did you know Loveridge had many, MANY offers from other schools a LONG time before Boylen was fired?
    But hay, I guess we're only supposed to recruit in the final week. I'm sure we'll get a lot of guys doing it that way.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    Good perspective and article...

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2014 11:37 p.m.

    "Yet Boylen never bothered to even call Loveridge"

    Trying to follow that one... let's see... Boylen fired in March 2011. Recruiting begins in April. Loveridge committed in August 2011. Maybe Boylen didn't call because he didn't have a job with the university?

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 19, 2014 10:46 p.m.

    You gotta be kidding me. Giving Boylen the credit for winning the one league championship. Ray Giac recruited that team that Boylen won with. Luke Nevill, Sean Green, Luka Drca were all Giac's kids. Giac won a league championship his first year as well with Majerus' players. But he did fly to Australia to convince Andrew Bogut to return and he did manage to get Marc Jackson to come back out of retirement. Marshall Henderson had left before Boylen was fired. Let's not forget that Boylen called byu traitor Josh Sharp the best player he ever recruited. Um Jim, I don't think he even starts in Provo, and that is in the WCC league. Boylen's league championship team was an embarrassment in the big dance, he got a great seed thanks to Chris Hill being on the committee, and then blew it by not having his team ready, they looked clueless against Arizona, that was all coaching. Jim destroyed Utah basketball, the only thing I give him credit for is Jason Washburn, but Jason did not improve at all when Jim was the coach. What Larry K. got out of that kid was clearly amazing.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 19, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    Yet Boylen never bothered to even call Loveridge, the best player in the state.
    Also, you never mentioned his flubs.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Jan. 19, 2014 5:59 p.m.

    The boylen era was tough, but now we're #6 in the pac 12, one of the best conferences in the country, are the only team in Utah with a top 25 win, a .500 win percentage against ranked teams, and dominated the only in state opponent we played.

    The past was tough, but the present and future are looking great!

    Go UTES! Proud of you guys for the complete win yesterday.