CG, that had absolutely nothing to do with my comment, but I'll play along.
If the Cougs don't maintain that RPI in a little less than two months,
their RPI-boosting losing record against top teams in the nonconference
won't mean a thing, either.
StGtoSLC#38 BYU#122 Utahwill be the most pertinent
scores in a few weeksIf the Utes don't improve their RPI
dramatically by then, Utah's mid-December upset of BYU won't mean a
thing in the larger picture.
DeepBlue, I've never seen series records on a scoreboard. I see a score on
the scoreboard. The one this year was 81-64 in favor of the red team.
@DeepBlueWhich scoreboard is that?BYU has won 11 of the
last 13, 12 of 16 during the Dave Rose era, 129-126 overall.------------The only one that matters this season: 84-61The 12 of 16 had more to do with Utah being horrible, we beat ourselves.
Uteology"Wrong, we're better than you because we OWN
scoreboard."Which scoreboard is that?BYU has won 11
of the last 13, 12 of 16 during the Dave Rose era, 129-126 overall.
Every time someone lists Utah's win - loss record this year they should be
required to put an asterisk next to it. They are 14-4 because out of over 300 D
1 teams, they played the softest non-conference schedule in the country this
year. The worst part of that is Utah actually has a pretty good team this year,
but not nearly as good as their record would suggest. Just think they could be
18 - 0 if they had played a few more NAIA and bottom feeder D - 2 teams.
No real problem with the article except for the part about Utah having a shot at
the NCAA's. Unless they win the conference tournament, their joke of an out
of conference schedule has doomed them to the CBI if they are lucky.
Boylen was a disaster and overall his players were anything but good.@Joe SchmoeYour envy shines throw, that will do for now.NevadaCoug: "...The "we're better than you because we play in the
prestigious Pac-12!" crowd..."Wrong, we're better than
you because we OWN scoreboard.
In spite of the spin to qualify anything associated with Utah, all experts see
things differently. PAC-12 is still rated the 3rd best conference, behind only
very powerful and deep B1G and Big XII conferences.
Figures. The "we're better than you because we play in the prestigious
Pac-12!" crowd completely missed the sarcasm.
@nevadacouguhhh since when did AZ drop from the top ranked team in
the country to #21? provide some substance with that please.
LOL at squawking about being #6 in a league that has one really good team and a
lot of mediocrity for the rest! Woohoo! Print some tshirts and throw a parade!
It will be interesting to see where all of the teams from our great
state end up in March.Who will make it to the big dance?
Correct if I am wrong. I thought UCLA was ranked 25th when Utah took them down.
Isn't that a ranked team. That is what those liberal sports writers
"We all know that rankings only matter at the end of the season,
right?"You are correct -- rankings at the end of the regular
season.Since you accept that BYU football's "toughest
season ever" consisted of only one ranked team (#19 Wisconsin), it's
fair to point out that Utah basketball hasn't beaten a ranked team yet this
season. But Ute fans are still happy with the team's progress.
NevadaCoug, did I miss the end of the season already? Darn it!
" Sure they have Arizona at #1 but the drop off after that is pretty steep
with Colorado at #21 and no other teams ranked."Make that
Arizona at #21 and zero other teams ranked. Colorado has dropped from the
rankings.And Utah hasn't beaten a ranked team. We all know
that rankings only matter at the end of the season, right?
"do you believe coaches only recruit players for a week "Trying to
follow your math... let's see... Coach K was hired in April specifically in
time for the START of recruiting season. April to August is span of 5 months,
not "one week". The important thing is that coach had
enough time to convince Jordan to help Utah rebuild and walk away from his 7
other offers (primarily Colorado). Great choice! Happy ending for all.
I'm fine to let you Ute fans argue yourselves crazy about Boylen but
I'm curious if the idea that the PAC is one of the best Bball conferences
is legit. Sure they have Arizona at #1 but the drop off after that is pretty
steep with Colorado at #21 and no other teams ranked. Are they really strong
from top to bottom or are they pretty weak with one or two good teams and the
rest are marginal & just beating each other up? It's really hard to
tell especially if some teams play a very weak OOC-- and I'm not just
talking about Utah so don't take that too personally. I just wonder how
much of these reputations are built on real strength or if the emperor has no
If Boylen’s Utah players turned out to be pretty good, why weren't
Boylen's teams pretty good?He was fired after back-to-back
losing seasons, suffered an embarrassing 1st round loss to a 12th seed in his
only NCAA tournament appearance, and left the player cupboard bare for coach k.
So Boylen recruited good players. Why did everyone think that Boylen
couldn't recruit?Maybe the players didn't look good playing for
him. Perhaps the only thing Boylen could do was recruit. He had good raw talent
but could not coach well enough to develop the players and bring them to the
next level.When somebody else can take your players and win with
them and you couldn't, it doesn't look good.
Those players mentioned, with the exception of O'Brien, are putting up
good, not great, numbers against some of the very worst competition in the
country. What isn't mentioned is that the guys that Coach K brought in for
the terrible 2011-12 season are putting up similar numbers against similar
competition: Kareem Storey 6.8 ppg 6 apg 3 rpg for Morehead State; Javon Dawson
8.1 ppg 6.9 rpg for Jacksonville U. So Boylen could recruit a majority of his
team with guys who can start for teams in the bottom third of college
basketball? Coach K did, too, in a matter of months because of the team he was
left with. Since then, he's built a roster with one very highly coveted
recruit (Loveridge), will have two more playing next season (Kuzma, Chapman),
one very under the radar recruit (Wright), and filled the rest of the lineup
with roleplayers (Tucker, Taylor) who turned down opportunities with a good St.
Mary's team to rebuild a team. I'd say Larry's recruited better
in two years than Jim did in five, and the team Boylen got wasn't in nearly
as bad of shape.
So Sooner, do you believe coaches only recruit players for a week or so before
signing day? Did you know Loveridge had many, MANY offers from other schools a
LONG time before Boylen was fired? But hay, I guess we're only
supposed to recruit in the final week. I'm sure we'll get a lot of
guys doing it that way.
Good perspective and article...
"Yet Boylen never bothered to even call Loveridge"Trying to
follow that one... let's see... Boylen fired in March 2011. Recruiting
begins in April. Loveridge committed in August 2011. Maybe Boylen didn't
call because he didn't have a job with the university?
You gotta be kidding me. Giving Boylen the credit for winning the one league
championship. Ray Giac recruited that team that Boylen won with. Luke Nevill,
Sean Green, Luka Drca were all Giac's kids. Giac won a league championship
his first year as well with Majerus' players. But he did fly to Australia
to convince Andrew Bogut to return and he did manage to get Marc Jackson to come
back out of retirement. Marshall Henderson had left before Boylen was fired.
Let's not forget that Boylen called byu traitor Josh Sharp the best player
he ever recruited. Um Jim, I don't think he even starts in Provo, and that
is in the WCC league. Boylen's league championship team was an
embarrassment in the big dance, he got a great seed thanks to Chris Hill being
on the committee, and then blew it by not having his team ready, they looked
clueless against Arizona, that was all coaching. Jim destroyed Utah basketball,
the only thing I give him credit for is Jason Washburn, but Jason did not
improve at all when Jim was the coach. What Larry K. got out of that kid was
Yet Boylen never bothered to even call Loveridge, the best player in the
state.Also, you never mentioned his flubs.
The boylen era was tough, but now we're #6 in the pac 12, one of the best
conferences in the country, are the only team in Utah with a top 25 win, a .500
win percentage against ranked teams, and dominated the only in state opponent we
played.The past was tough, but the present and future are looking
great!Go UTES! Proud of you guys for the complete win yesterday.