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  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    @Chris B
    check the rankings again, Zona is ranked and rightfully so, Colorado, not so much. the Pac is mediocre.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 23, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    Nice couple of road wins for BYU. Any road win is a good win.

    @ Uteanymous

    Utah's BPI is #43 and BYU's is #51. BPI factor's into the bids. Better conferences, have better schedules, and receive more tournament bids. Also, I don't recall NCAA tournament bids every being let in January.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 7:04 p.m.

    @AZUTE

    He may be their best player but askia booker is by far their BEST offensive player, check the numbers. Dinwiddie hadnt been effective on offense in the games leading up to the UW game anyways. What i really think is funny is that you think one player would have stopped a TEAM from outscoring his team by 20 pts. UW was playing better in that game from start to finish. Dont get me wrong, dinwiddie is a GREAT talent but there was nothing he would have been able to do to stop washington from getting as hot as they did.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 21, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Snack,

    The discussion was never about the bronco era. You seem to use that same bronco era copy and paste whenever you have no response to a legitimate point. That point is... if BYU was so much better than Utah in '13 why did they lose on their home field (again) with their best WR and LB in team history?

    You have now lost in both football and basketball. Utah owns the Deseret Duel by an enormous margin. But according to Y fans BYU is still better.... regardless of the scoreboard. Now, start spinning.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    talkin sports:

    You merely speculate on what Ute fans 'might' say. However, we already know that during these '13-'14 seasons y fans have had to tie themselves up in a Sagarin/RPI knot to make themselves feel better about 20-13 and 81-64.

    Coug Logic 000

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    Marked it Down

    "Utah had scoreboard. Stanford played in the Rose Bowl."

    Ute Logic 101

    Don't be too surprised when the kids on the hill start claiming that Utah was the best team in the PAC in 2013; after all, even though the hapless Utes only won two conference games, they beat the conference champions, proving that Utah was the best team in the conference.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    U 90

    There's also no spinning overall results.

    Utah had scoreboard. Stanford played in the Rose Bowl.

    Texas A&M had scoreboard. Alabama won the national championship.

    Scoreboard only proves who was better for one game on one particular day.

    Overall results prove superiority for an entire season.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 21, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    U 90

    Continuing your theme

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    AP Top 25 Finishes (every Utah fan's favorite poll)
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    11+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Bowl Games
    Bronco 9
    Kyle 7

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Ranked Higher in Sagarin
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 4

    Bronco has had more 11+ win seasons in 9 seasons, than Utah has had in 120 seasons

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 21, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    Rockwell,

    There's no spinning the scoreboard... unless you want to try.

    Trust the experts or the scoreboard... your choice.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Jan. 21, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    scenic view

    No mention of the 122nd RPI Utes in any of those brackets?

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 21, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    Bracketology

    Of the 51 brackets in The 2014 Bracket Matrix, 39 have have been updated since Saturday and BYU is included in the field of 68 by 14 of those brackets - average seed 11.36.

    The other Utah schools receiving votes:

    Utah Valley (WAC) - included in 23 brackets - average seed 15.30
    Weber State (Big Sky) - included in 2 brackets - average seed 16.00

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 21, 2014 11:01 a.m.

    U 90

    2013 Final BCS Standings
    #40 Brigham Young
    #54 Utah

    CBSSports Final Rankings
    #51 BYU
    #71 Utah

    Massey Final Rankings
    #36 BYU
    #37 Utah

    Colley Final Rankings
    #39 BYU
    #60 Utah

    College Football Ranking Composite (114 Rankings)
    #33 BYU
    #51 Utah

    Despite the best/worst spin, the vast majority of college football ranking experts ranked BYU higher than Utah.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 21, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    @ True Blue
    Dave Rose era
    Average score - BYU 72 Utah 65
    Double-digit wins - BYU 8 Utah 2
    20+ point wins - BYU 3 Utah 0

    Now lets apply that logic to Football:
    Bronco Era 3-6
    Average score - BYU 20 Utah 30
    Double-digit wins - BYU 0 Utah 2
    20+ point wins - BYU 0 Utah 2

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Jan. 21, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    @Ken Lee "well, Ute fans, your teams are not ranked as highly as BYU again in both Basketball and Football. Just keep your eye on the RPI and check the extended power rankings in football.

    Ken, I'm keeping my eye on the football power ranking in Sagarin. Here's what they say:

    Utah 34
    BYU 35

    Utah's best win #5 Stanford
    BYU's best win #37 Ga. Teach

    Utah's worst loss #40 Washington State
    BYU's worst loss #106 Virginia

    Utah 20
    BYU 13

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    ESPN says BYU's overall SOS is .62, Utah's is only .43.

    Big, big difference.

    ESPN says BYU's RPI is #38, Utah's is only #122.

    Even bigger difference, considering teams with #38 RPI almost always make it into the NCAAs, while teams with #122 RPI NEVER get an at-large bid.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    Vitamin B12 has a point

    The WCC is so bad, that the Utes would be ranked 7th, right behind Pepperdine, if Utah was in the WCC, instead of their current 12th in the PAC.

    Meanwhile, the PAC is so good, that BYU would only be ranked 6th, right behind California, if BYU was in the PAC, instead of their current 2nd in the WCC.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    Unlike U, BYU isn't forced to use conference affiliation as a crutch because U have absolutely no accomplishments of your own to brag about.

    9-18 in football, only ONE bowl game in THREE seasons

    13-31 in basketball, ZERO post season appearances

    Afraid to play Utah State and Weber State in basketball. Forced to play the 2nd worst non-conference schedule in the country just to have a chance to have your first winning season since 2009.

    LOSERS in 9 of your last 11 games versus BYU; only 4 wins in 16 games during the Dave Rose era.

    #38 BYU > #122 Utah

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 10:49 p.m.

    Again, if RPI was a true equivalent to ranking, why wasn't byu ranked a month ago when they had a higher RPI than teams that were ranked such as Duke, Lousville, Kentucky, and North Carolina?

    byu fans talking strength of schedule and rpi from day 1 of the season as they've done is like a WAC team mocking the SEC in football after SEC teams play WAC nobodies and WAC nobodies play SEC teams. Ya, those WAC nobodies will have great strength of schedules(which would increase the RPI equivalent) and the SEC teams would have terrible strength of schedules.

    In basketball, conference play is really just getting going, meaning the RPI's of teams in real confernences will start to increase and play much harder schedules overall(just like the SEC in football) even if they play Wcc nobodies in preseason play. Meanwhile, WCC nobodies have to try and play some big boys early on(like WAC nobodies playing SEC teams early on) since the WCC is a very poor conference compared to the big boy conferences.

    ESPN says Pac 12 is 4th best conference.
    wcc? 11th.

    Big big difference

  • Cougarbaseball Rifle, CO
    Jan. 20, 2014 10:01 p.m.

    Both BYU and Utah have a lot of work to do before either can think about the NCAA tournament. How about both teams focus on winning their next game and getting better. If they focus on anything else, they're bound to lose more games, which will certainly keep them for any meaningful post season play.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 20, 2014 9:32 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife--

    "@AZUTE

    uhh no colorado would not still be undefeated had hey had dinwiddie. Washington was all over them the whole game and kept askia booker almost scoreless."

    Dinwiddie is by far-and-away CU's best player and, as good as he is on O, he's significantly more valuable on D/generally orchestrating their overall game.

    FYI--CU was ahead by 3 when he went down, then UW outscored them by 20 afterward.

  • Dahojas Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 8:47 p.m.

    The only arguement that is valid over who is a better team is when they play. Utah won, as a BYU fan I was disgusted. But that's the case. HOWEVER, BYU has a MUCH better chance at an at large bid and everyone knows it. Even Utah Valley University has a better shot than Utah. Winning the conference is the best way to get a bid. Utah will be far far far from that.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 7:58 p.m.

    RPI is a two-edged sword. Utah's worst loss was to RPI #119 Wazzu, while BYU's worst loss was to RPI #159 Loyola Marymount.

    Too bad the coug's RPI can't make 3's and play defense.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Jan. 20, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    the WCC is the 10th best conference in college basketball based on Sagarin Ratings...PAC 12 is #3 behind BIG 10 and BIG 12...

    The end...

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    @ Ken Lee

    Sagarin's final football rankings:

    34 - Utah
    35 - BYU

    41 - Utah State

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 6:29 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Despite your "detailed RPI analysis", you failed to mention the most salient detail:

    Current RPI Rankings

    #40 BYU
    #124 Utah

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 6:28 p.m.

    @AZUTE

    uhh no colorado would not still be undefeated had hey had dinwiddie. Washington was all over them the whole game and kept askia booker almost scoreless.

  • Ken Lee Pasadena, CA
    Jan. 20, 2014 6:26 p.m.

    well, Ute fans, your teams are not ranked as highly as BYU again in both Basketball and Football….so cool to have the Utes prove their standing in all sports as no more than a spoiler. How many times you say Stanford and BYU when you justifying Whittingham as a coach?

    Just keep your eye on the RPI and check the extended power rankings in football….it really puts it all in perspective. Good thing you willing to play and lose on Sunday…it makes you very appealing to the PAC12.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 20, 2014 6:25 p.m.

    "Where do you get the conference strength of schedule rankings?"

    ESPN RPI Rankings

    SOS = overall SOS - BYU(0.62), Utah(0.43)
    NCSS = non-conf SOS - BYU(#5), Utah(#350)
    CFSS = conf SOS - BYU(#148), Utah(#103)

    RPI is used by the NCAA tournament selection committee; Sagarin is not.

    There's nothing wrong with Sagarin, but, if you're talking NCAA tournament prospects, RPI is much more relevant.

    Most "bracketologists" still have BYU in the mix; none have Utah.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Jan. 20, 2014 6:14 p.m.

    It's funny, people are bringing up the loss of Dinwiddie to excuse Colorado's losses. Yet no BYU hater will consider the loss of Davies as a hindrance to BYU going further in the tournament a couple of seasons ago.

    Fact is, the chances of any team winning a championship in basketball after losing a key player are slim-to-none. So what.

    RPI-vs Sagarin: Sagarin ratings mean a whole lot more in football than they do in basketball. I've never even heard of an RPI for basketball. So, why do BYU fans talk about RPI during basketball and Sagarin ratings for football. Well, duh.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 20, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    It should be noted that Arizona isn't just any ranked team, they're undefeated/ranked #1 and we play against them twice.

    Anybody clamoring over us being winless on the road after 3 total needs to hold-off 'til we've played out our remaining games....Furthermore, per the momentary measuring-stick of a team's "worth" down there in provo, Current RPI Rankings, byu has two road losses worse than our one bad road loss and both by significantly wider-margins....Just simply compare WAZZU's to both LMU's/Pepperdine's....SMC also lost to SCU at home....BSU/SMC have virtually identical rankings.

    Colorado would currently be undefeated in conference play, were Dinwiddie not lost....Even w/him, they needed OT to beat WAZZU in Pullman, which is widely known as a difficult place to win, no matter how good/bad they happen to be....Certainly more difficult than the LMU/Pepperdine H.S. Gyms.

    UCLA is unranked because we knocked them out....They've hovered around #25 all season long and will certainly return....Conversely, the ultra-weak wcc has 1 ranked #21 in 1 poll....When did byu last beat a team ranked when they played?

    Finally, 81-64.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    When Utah has a bad year, we still win a handful of games.

    When byu has a bad year, byu goes 1-21

    When byu has the best season in 30 years, byu goes to the sweet 16 and no further

    When Utah has a great year, we win a final four game and play in the national title.

    Every team has bad years, even a bad decade.

    I'll gladly take Utah's ceiling and Utah's low years over byu's single sweet 16 ceiling in 30 years any day

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 3:23 p.m.

    I thought byu fans were in love with Sagarin rankings?

    Interesting that those have byu 42, Utah 62 right now. More flip flopping from byu fans.

    Vs top 25 Sagarin teams Utah is 1-0 and 2-1 against top 50 teams

    byu is 0-3 against top 25 Sagarin teams and 2-4 against top 50 teams.

    So Utah has as many top 50 wins in 3 games as byu does in 6.

    And remember, Utah as a lot more top 50 opponents on the remaining schedule than the WCC does.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    Skywalker,

    Where do you get the conference strength of schedule rankings?

    And before you get all defensive like byu fans do, its just a simple question. I truly don't know where such information is.

    Thanks in advance

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 20, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    "Utah's overall SOS is exactly the same as IPFW's overall SOS"

    Hysterically funny!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    CB

    We can't compete in the Pac 12. - TRUE

    11-31 in the PAC; 1-19 on the road

    And your team can't compete with us. - utterly FALSE!

    BYU has beaten Utah 11 of the last 13, 12 of 16 during the Dave Rose era, 129-126 overall

    Dave Rose era
    Average score - BYU 72 Utah 65
    Double-digit wins - BYU 8 Utah 2
    20+ point wins - BYU 3 Utah 0

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 20, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    Chris B

    BYU's overall SOS is 0.62 (#5 non-conf, #148 conf)
    Utah's overall SOS is 0.43 (#350 non-conf, #103 conf)

    BYU is ranked #40, with 13 wins (only 2 versus bottom 100 or non-Div 1 teams)
    Utah is ranked #124, with 14 wins (9 versus bottom 100 or non-Div 1 teams)

    Utah's overall SOS is exactly the same as IPFW's overall SOS.

    Too funny!

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    Chris B

    "I'll cite you one example of a team ranked 124 or higher getting an at large when you can prove the RPI mid-season means anything?"

    The #124 mid-season ranking means everything if you don't improve. With 8 of your 12 remaining PAC games against upper division PAC foes, including 7 road games, the prospects of Utah even cracking the RPI Top 100 are slim. Utah might get to 20 wins, with almost half coming against Bottom 100 or non-Div 1 teams, but that's not going to move Utah's ranking needle much.

    ----------

    "How does it feel that your team got destroyed by a team that is 1-19 on the road in the Pac 12?"

    Like a road upset to an inferior team would feel to any superior team.

    It still doesn't prove that Utah could beat BYU or any team in the PAC on the road.

    The Utes have NEVER beaten BYU in the Marriott Center during the Dave Rose era.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    killarney,

    How does it feel that your team got destroyed by a team that is 1-19 on the road in the Pac 12?

    We can't compete in the Pac 12. And your team can't compete with us.

    but congrats on the amazing heights of byu basketball. byu over the last 5 years experienced the best of byu basketball in 30 years. The height of byu basketball in 30 years, including a player of the year, culminated in a single sweet 16 appearance and a losing 3-4 record in the tournament for that player of the year.

    What a powerhouse program!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    Troytown,

    I'll cite you one example of a team ranked 124 or higher getting an at large when you can prove the RPI mid-season means anything?

    Or when you can tell us why byu was never ranked this year even with a higher "ranking" RPI than Duke, Louisville, Kentucky, and Michigan State?

    And still no word on what byu's conference(60% of the year) SOS is huh?

    Too funny!

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    Ken

    "according to BYU fans, Utah can't compete with the rest of the Pac 12"

    Utah is 1-19 on the road since joining the PAC. What more proof do you need?

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    Ken

    Typical, irrelevant spin by a BYU hater, but you completely dodged the question:

    "Can you cite one single example of a team ranked #124 or higher getting an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament?"

    BYU at #40 is currently in the mix for an NCAA bid. Utah at #124 is NOT.

    SOS does matter a lot, and Utah, playing 40% of their season against the 350th worst SOS killed their chances of getting an at-large NCAA bid.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    Ken

    "Whats laughable is a WCC fan suggesting the WCC and Pac 12 are comparable since each has one team ranked currently."

    "deductive reasoning" didn't suggest any such thing; he simply posted some facts, which directly contradict CB's boastful spin.

    What's truly laughable is Utah fans trying to make the argument that prospects for basketball success are pre-determined by conference affiliation.

    If that were so, how do you explain teams like San Francisco, UTEP, and UNLV, from "smaller" conferences, winning national championships? Even teams like Indiana St, Houston, Memphis and Butler have made the national championship game.

    The truth is, WCC #25 Gonzaga and #40 BYU have much better chances of playing in the Big Dance this season than PAC 12 #118 Washington St and #124 Utah.

    That may be a bitter pill for the kids on the hill to swallow, but that's just the way it is.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    ekute, "Gonzaga can't compete with Arizona. byu can't compete Utah."

    And according to byu fans Utah can't compete with the rest of the Pac 12. So that tells us where byu would stack up in the Pac 12. And if anyone wants to throw out RPI, again I ask: Why was byu never ranked even though they had a higher RPI than Duke, Michigan State, and Ohio State?

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    Uteananymous

    "Conference affiliation is meaningless" says the fan whose team isn't wanted by any major conference. And your statement is not true. Strength of schedule matters a lot. And as much as byu fans wish to believe that strength of schedule is basically only comprised of out of conference games, the truth is that conference play represents more of the schedule than non conference play. so teams playing in weak conferences(like byu does) must try and schedule a heavy out of conference. You byu fans are still trying to believe RPI equates to ranking. It certainly doesn't halfway through the season. If it did, why was byu never ranked and the previously mentioned teams were even when byu had a higher RPI?

    Yes, Utah played a very bad out of conference schedule. And byu is playing a very bad conference schedule, which is more of the total schedule than out of conference. What do you think is going to happen to byu's RPI after playing 20 games against an overall very poor conference?

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Ken

    I can cite hundreds of examples of teams ranked in the #30 to #50 RPI range getting at-large bids to the NCAA tournament.

    Can you cite one single example of a team ranked #124 or higher getting an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament?

    When it comes to major college basketball success, a Big Dance invite is the gold standard for success.

    Conference affiliation is meaningless. Teams are judged on their own merits.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    Gonzaga can't compete with Arizona. byu can't compete Utah. Nuff' said.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    deductive,

    Whats laughable is a WCC fan suggesting the WCC and Pac 12 are comparable since each has one team ranked currently. And as Chris correctly point out, you're bragging about simply playing ranked teams?

    Congratulations, you must be so proud. You were on the same court as a ranked team. What an accomplishment. Never mind what the scoreboard said. Now that's laughable. For someone to be spouting off about RPI when not too long ago like Chris mentions such "deductive reasoning" would have concluded byu was better than many teams that aren't currently playing a poor WCC schedule. Why is that byu was never ranked this year even though byu's RPI was better than the teams Chris mentions and they WERE/ARE ranked?

    Did the experts just forget about byu's RPI? Maybe it was just an oversight.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    LoneStar,

    So 5 teams getting Coaches votes in the Pac 12 to 1 in the WCC?

    Sounds about right.

    You're right, the Pac 12 has been average "comopared to other major basketball conferences"

    And how has it stacked up compared non non-major conferences like the WCC?

    How many total NCAA berths has the Pac 12 had since we joined compared to berths for the WCC since you were forced out of the MWC?

    And like I said, can't beat your chest about losing to good teams. Any team can do that.

    The rankings of Wichiga, Umass, and Iowa State don't mean a thing - you lost all of them.

    How quickly byu fans flip flop from what they said all football season.

    Now losing to ranked teams is commendable, but it wasn't before?

    Nope, no double standard there

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 20, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    Currently Ranked Teams
    PAC - 1 (Arizona)
    WCC - 1 (Gonzaga)

    Games Played Against Ranked Opponents
    BYU - 3 (Wichita St, UMass, Iowa St)
    Utah - 0

    Road/Neutral Wins
    BYU - 5
    Utah - 0

    Current RPI
    #40 BYU
    #124 Utah

    For a fan to be spouting off about NCAA tournament prospects for a #124 team that has only won 1 road conference game in 20 tries, with 7 road conference games still to play, is truly laughable.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    christy

    "The Pac 12 only has Arizona ranked?

    Want to go double check those rankings pal?"

    Double Checked the rankings, PAL!

    UCLA and Colorado were BOTH dropped from the latest rankings. Arizona is the ONLY PAC 12 team ranked in either the AP or Coaches polls.

    The Utes like to beat their chests about the PAC 12, but the truth is, since Utah joined the PAC, the PAC 12 has been mediocre, at best, when compared to other major basketball conferences.

    Coaches/AP Polls
    #1/#1 Arizona
    #4/#5 Wichita St
    #12/#13 UMass
    #17/#16 Iowa St
    #21/ur Gonzaga

    In Coaches "others receiving votes", California(23), Colorado(18), Oregon(11), UCLA(7), Texas(5)

    In AP "others receiving votes", Gonzaga(59), California(44), Colorado(26), UCLA(23), Texas(5)

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    LoneStar,

    I noticed you left out what byu's conference schedule ranking is of all NCAA teams?

    And also what Utah's is?

    Interesting that you byu fans know so well what the non-conference strength is but not the conference schedule ranks?

    Ya, I'd probably do the same if I was a byu fan.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    LoneStar,

    Good try. The post says nothing of Utah. It simply points out that byu homers have been in love with their RPI all season, suggesting it is the equivalent of a ranking.

    And using that "logic" one would have concluded a couple weeks ago byu was better than Duke, Louisville, Kentucky, and Michigan State.

    The only problem is those teams actually were ranked and byu was not.

    So apparently those who make the rankings didn't think of much of byu's rpi as byu fans do.

    It would be like a WAC/independent football fan laughing at Alabama in football after week 1-2 of the season in which Alabama plays a couple weak division II teams.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    A Utah homer pretending that Utah is in the same category as Duke, Michigan State, Louisville, and Kentucky, shows a complete lack of understanding of basketball.

    The WCC may not have a single ranked team, but the PAC 12 only has one. Anybody claiming that the WCC is a poor conference simply doesn't know what they're talking about. Five of the ten teams in the WCC are ranked in the RPI Top 100. Not as strong as the PAC 12, but still a very good conference that is ranked in the top third of conferences.

    BYU, with the 4th best non-conference schedule, deserves their #40 ranking.
    Only 2 of BYU's 13 wins have come against Bottom 100 or non-Div 1 programs.

    Utah, with the 350th worst non-conference schedule, also deserves their #124 ranking.
    9 of Utah's 14 wins have come against Bottom 100 or non-Div 1 programs.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    phoenix,

    Losing close game to ranked teams doesn't count for anything!

    How soon you byu fans forget what you said all football season.

    Best win of the season for any team in Utah?

    The Utes over UCLA.

    The Pac 12 only has Arizona ranked?

    Want to go double check those rankings pal?

    Or perhaps you weren't aware Colorado is in the Pac 12 maybe?

    And why reference the Big 12 - they didn't invite byu remember?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 20, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    #1 Arizona is very good, but the Wildcats are the only PAC 12 team currently ranked in the AP Top 25. The Big 12, by comparison, has 6 ranked teams.

    BYU has played three AP Top 25 teams - #5 Wichita St, #13 U Mass, and #16 Iowa St - losing close games each time (BYU was only down 57-59 with 4 minutes left versus Wichita St).

    Utah hasn't played any teams currently ranked in the AP Top 25 and the Utes are winless on the road.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    Magic didn't happen in Pullman

    Just to make sure you can see the real world outside of your crimson bubble:

    BYU is ranked #40 with 5 road/neutral site wins.

    Utah is ranked #124 with 0 road/neutral site wins.

    After losing to +100 RPI Utah, UCLA dropped out of the rankings - so, Utah is also yet to win against a ranked team.

  • Magic Happens Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    Re: Poyman

    Just to make sure you are up to speed, the Utes are 3-3 in conference and one of those victories came against a ranked team, UCLA. By your own comments, BYU has yet to win against a ranked team, even at home. Not trying to be argumentative (as the DNews only allows that from BYU supporters) but your comments may have more credibility if you have your facts correct.

    Go Utes

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 20, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    let's see how utah finishes their season before we get anymore smack from the homeys. they luckily outscore ucla and now all of a sudden the smackers emerge.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 20, 2014 6:54 a.m.

    @2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 (aka Chris B) - Thanks for stopping into Cougar Nation frequently. We appreciate your loyalty. With all you expertise on BYU, I wouldn't think you would have such basic questions, but since you do let me answer them for you.

    Cougs don't need to wait until Gonzaga to find out who we are. We have proven we are a very good team with nice wins over Stanford and Texas and close loses to Iowa St, Wichita St and Oregon. We have also proven we are inconsistent, and have let lesser teams like Pepperdine, LMU and Utah win. When we're hitting our shots, making our free throws and staying out of foul trouble; we are a Top 25 team. But again, we are not consistent.

    I realize you're using your RPI argument to cover Utah's pathetic non-conference schedule. Utes are better than I thought they'd be, but have no chance at an NCAA with the non-conference schedule which is why Utes RPI is so low.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:32 a.m.

    The WCC has nothing to be ashamed of... There are some solid teams in the league this year... So, 2013 ute seniors who have gone 1-4 against the WCC Cougs, nice try but you failed... BTW, here are a few facts that you should know as you crow about your team and your conference:

    . The WCC's 3rd place team beat Boise State on their home floor by almost 10... The Utes lost to them...

    . The utes have played 5 games in their conference and won 2... 4 of those 5 games were against teams with the worst four conference records in the league... One of those teams has not not won a league game yet (USC)...(Utah happened to be one of the five teams that have beaten them)... Two of the other 3 last place teams have only one win a piece and that was against (you guessed it) the mighty utes...

    . The utes and WSU are in a dogfight to see who will have the league's 11th highest RPI...

    . 4 of BYU's 5 non-conference losses were to ranked teams... 3 of those were on the road...

    BTW, what's the ute's road record? lol.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2014 7:40 p.m.

    The WCC is better than the PAC 12 since BYU is in it.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Jan. 19, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    Soon, when byu plays Gonzaga, we will see if byu is really a decent team or just beating some WCC nobodies.

    The WCC doesn't have a single ranked team and byu is currently 0-4 against ranked teams, so having even one win against a top 25 team all season is looking unlikely at this point.

    Byu's rpi is still pretty high, but will continue to drop as the WCC is such a poor conference. Until a few weeks ago, byu had a higher RPI than Duke, Michigan State, Louisville, and Kentucky. Those teams all have extremely difficult conference schedules so mocking anyone with a lower RPI only shows the lack of understanding of basketball. None of those teams needed to be concerned about a less than impressive RPI because they knew they were going to play a ton of great teams in conference play. So lets not fall too in love with RPI until the season is winding down.