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Published: Monday, Jan. 20 2014 7:30 p.m. MST

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desert
Potsdam, 00

Looking from the outside of a christian world, it seems a little bit funny that none of this loving and supporting among christians has happen much earlier in history ?!

One could argue, that loving your neighbor would include christians as well.
But it did not in time past, and so it did not among the Muslims and many other religious manifestations. So we wonder what the Non-Christian world and atheists should think about religion in general, having had no example to follow some unity. Bang ?!

I would like to here from the next speaker an apology about this.
Uniting in faith now is wonderful, but having some clue to how to approach our brethren among the non-believers would be uplifting.

We are (all christians alike) too bussy to defend faith, instead of understanding others that have real complaints for a far failed religion in past history.
Explaining is needed, not building more walls.

Be asured there are many that will change mind, if they can get some logic in this universal mess of religion. We owe this to people, but little is done to help them.
But may be I am lost here, who would know better ?

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Truth is Relativity, It's the books you read and the people your with. Prayer keeps us in touch with with people in our hearts. All the laws can't change what is in your heart. The truth shalt set you free when you open your heart and listen.

?
SLC, UT

I look forward to a day when we all come to a unity of faith. With events like these maybe we're getting a little closer. At least giving opportunity to speak and to hear one another. We have much more in common of what we do believe than what we don't. I don't understand the differences between each group, but sometimes I think it is a matter of using different words to describe the same thing or that there are a few people who want there to be differences when there don't need to be. It would be neat if they would broadcast some of these events so that more people can hear what is being shared.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

I frankly don't believe the world has moved away from "the right," despite Mr. Zacharias's views. I see a world where people are freer and more prosperous than ever, where poor nations are emerging from poverty on their own and with our help, where people who used to cower in the shadows have more opportunity than ever. The America of my childhood was a fearful place by comparison to the America of today, where I now see young people of all races and religions happily working together toward the future. In my youth we feared the commies, the bomb, and each other. Not anymore. Even the crime rate is in free fall. Yes, there are simmering problems everywhere, but as MLK says, the arc of justice is swinging the right direction.

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

Zacharias, like many evangelicals, points out the ills of society--which I agree are plentiful.

But then he offers Christianity as the *only* solution. Can he not imagine that there are non-Christians who fully agree with him about living upright lives, not just doing "whatever works at the moment," and who have deep moral and spiritual values that they've dedicated their lives to? And they don't "need Jesus"?

I truly believe that if we promoted the core values of love, compassion, integrity, responsibility, non-exploitation of others, etc., without regard to what your particular religion is--or even if you have none at all--we'd have much more hope of a turnaround in our society. But the moment someone proclaims, "My religion is the Only Truth," you lose a lot of people--especially the young, who are so hungry today for real values.

Blue AZ Cougar
Chandler, AZ

"We talk so much about one's rights, that we talk so little about what is actually right"

Brilliantly stated

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

With the endless plethora of anti-Mormon sentiment from non-LDS religious institutions, it will take a millennia to mend the damage done to unite us, unfortunately.

Danite
Salt Lake City, UT

@Free Agency,

Zacharias is a Christian Pastor and as such believes that Christ is not merely "a" way but "the" way. Christian theology is clear on this point and it was taught without reservation by Christ Himself. There is no need to be offended by a Christian preaching Christianity. We accept the virtuous and moral things found in other religions and embrace all truth but what you argue is for Christians to stop preaching their most core beliefs.

If you disagree with Christianity that's fine, embrace what truths you find there and disregard the rest but don't expect Zacharias or other Christians to abandon their doctrine to fit your political correct standards....that's what's got all religions into the conundrum in which we find ourselves. Dear friend, let us stand together as a force for goodness, our common goal, and not try to change the most sacred elements of what makes us good in the first place.

Danite
Salt Lake City, UT

@morpunkt,

What you state is only reality if we make it that way. Today is a new day with new challenges and we must stand together and focus on what unites us (and there is al lot) we cannot focus on past issues with the challenges at hand. Let's not be victims.

?
SLC, UT

It appears events like these have been happening for some time. How do you learn about when these events are being held so you can plan to go to them? For some reason, I only learn of them after the fact. Is this an annual event? Do you need to have tickets, if so how do you get them?

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

@Danite
I understand your logic, but I state the sad reality of fact.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

@ Danite

I don't think the goal of any religion is goodness. I think it is replication. If it was goodness, the claim to be the one and only way would be unnecessary. There is no one right way to be good.

People are (mostly) good because it's to our benefit to be good. Things work better for ourselves and our communities when we agree not to harm each other and when we cooperate with each other. Religions hijack this truth and claim the credit.

I personally think religions do more harm than good, but I also understand the human need to unite beneath a common banner. But please drop the claims that one banner is the only true one. This is an inherently divisive statement and has created and continues to create unnecessary strife. I'd also appreciate it if religions would stop teaching vulnerable, defenseless children that they are inherently bad. What a terrible thing to do to a child.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Faith yes, doctrine no. The thing that makes the LDS faith unique is that is eschews the rest of Christianity. Cozying up to conservative Christian groups undermines that position. The drift towards a close relationship to a groupt that doesn't even think that the LDS are even Christians, I don't know what it really accomplishes except for political convenience, and that is not a good trend for a church that positions itself as the true church of Christ.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Can't we all just get along? Perhaps our fellow Christians are changing their attitudes toward the Latter Day Saints because they are experiencing declining membership while the LDS church continues to grow. Better to have friends than enemies in a world where secularist persecution is growing. Whatever the reason(s), we should love each other as brothers and sisters! I am glad to see the LDS Church reach out and they to the LDS. Its what Jesus would do! Hopefully all Christians are becoming more like our Christ!

Danite
Salt Lake City, UT

@Esquire,

Dear friend I think the point is precisely "political convenience" as you call it. We live it times where all faith based groups will face major challenges politically. It's already starting to happen. So the idea is not that Latter-day Saints go and join evangelical coalitions based on theology but that we stand together in a common cause....and that's truly a political one. That's what this is about, let's not miss the key motivational force here.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ Danite, nice in theory, but I don't buy it in practice. Conservative Christians (particularly Southern) are more cynical than that - I have lots of experience with them. Over-identification with conservativism will pigeon-hole the Church, marginalize it, and weaken its mission. It is a grave, short-sighted mistake to go down this road.

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

@Danite

I understand (and already knew) your point that Zacharias, as an evangelical Christian, is going to preach Christianity as "the way" (out of our society's ills).

But you may not have understood my point. When you aim to remedy the ills of "society" (which includes many people who don't share Zacharias' faith), it doesn't work to say, "My religion is the answer for everyone." Because people who share his values--but not his religion--will be turned off.

If he really wants to work toward having a shift in our society rather than merely proselytize, he needs to acknowledge and respect the beliefs of others who have found their own "way" for their lives. Not just welcome the commonalities between his faith and Christians of a different faith (in this case, Mormons), but welcome his commonalities with those who aren't Christian, and have no desire to be Christian.

Otherwise, he's just preaching to the choir in his talks.

BTW, I wasn't "offended," I was just pointing out why what he's doing won't work. And I wasn't being "politically correct," I was being (I believe) logical.

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

@Karen R.

Thank you for a wonderful posting. I'm always suspicious of any religion which claims to be the "only way to God." After all, we see God as "the Creator"--and what true Creator only provides, or tolerates, "one way?"

And I agree that the goal of many religions is replication. I smile at the way the heavily-proselytizing religions keep proclaiming their updated numbers and using phrases like "the fastest growing." As if sheer numbers somehow proved that theirs is "the one true religion."

But as my own religion, Judaism (which doesn't proselytize because it believes there are many ways to God) teaches, "Numbers don't count."

And I *wholeheartedly* agree with you that it's terrible to teach a child that s/he's inherently bad. Thank you again for your breath of fresh air.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

Growing up as a devoted LDS and seeing the promiscuity, double life and confusion of people like me who were also homosexuals. I remember praying for "healing", direction and a refuge.

I prayed that the LDS church would provide all that. It didn't happen!. The AIDS crisis shaked society to its core and LGBT people have to re-examine their lives and "alone" come to the acknowledgment that being in hiding was not healthy.

Monogamy and faithfulness was the answer. Now we feel free to be ourselves, all the vices that came from living in obscurity are finally coming to an end. We know feel free to love, have families, live monogamous lives and be proud of what we are.

I feel that our Heavenly Father rejoices in our new found freedom and fulfillment.

It is sad that the LDS church and the Evangelicals are colluding together and feeling that their freedom are under threat because people dare to be happy and dare to claim that the "shepherds have failed".

IMHO the LDS church still have time to rectify its position and establish itself as the Zion to ALL children of God.

pacnwmom
Vancouver, WA

I'm not sure what religious freedom everyone is proclaiming is being lost. I haven't heard of anyone being denied to right to worship in the United States. It was a Latter-day Saint family that had to petition the Supreme Court to take prayer from schools because "Christian" kids were harassing their Mormon children with their "prayers." Public institutional support of religion is going away, but (as I live in the Unchurched Northwest) the opportunities to share and exercise our faith are absolutely still omnipresent in America. The government in the US (states) intervenes when people deny their dying children medication for religious reasons. Now, throughout the world, that is another story, there are so many oppressed by different religions and religious leaders. I'm grateful to be a Latter-day Saint and able to share my faith through words personally and published via the Internet.

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