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Published: Sunday, Jan. 19 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The reason people form unions or other groups is because groups have morel power than individuals. Business operations fear employee unions because the union can effect the way the business operation is operated.

Business wants employees to be as close to the old slavery as the government will allow. And because business controls the government, employees must seek help from somewhere else. And that somewhere else is their fellow employees.

The government could end the need for employee unions if the government would live up to the promise of equal justice before the law and protect the employees from the unfair treatment of employers. If the government would provide an escape mechanism such as automatically hiring any unemployed to work for the government, the individual would have the capability of quitting an unfair employment.

Presently we have unemployment pay and other safety nets but they are limited and unreliable. The need for them would mostly go away if the government would eliminate the condition of unemployment.

Burger Bob
Baker City, OR

Businesses don't always "want employees to be as close to the old slavery as the government will allow." As a small businessman, I want to treat my best employees better, but I have only so much payroll to use, an ever increasing minimum wage, so I can only give the best employees more time on the schedule as a way to compensate them.

One must remember when it comes to rights, the employees usually have most of them and the employer loses. Just because my employees get an automatic pay raise doesn't mean that I get one too.

Additionally, and maybe most important in relation to what Ultra Bob said, if you don't like your job, or feel your employer is not being fair, go find another job, that is your right!

We also need to remember that if the employer cannot take care of himself financially, both in relation to the business as well as the employer's personal life, there will be no business any longer, so both the employer and the employees as well as society lose!

high school fan
Huntington, UT

Stick to the story, this is how a government forced many unaffilated individuals into a union just because they took care of a disabled relative. This is not an union story but a story of a government gone wild, a government that exceeded its authority to act. The state of Illinois had no authority to take this action and now they will be forced to cease and desist from this.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

"The court is unlikely to think the First Amendment should be diluted to accommodate this."
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Let us hope.

RBB
Sandy, UT

It is all about force and coersion. The union product is not selling well anymore, but the Democratic party relies on the steady stream of money the unions send. So they need laws to make it easier to install a union (card check means no right to a secret ballot) and force people to join even if they do not want to. If that does not work, force people into a union so you can siphon off some of their pay to support the Democratic agenda. Yes, the right of people to chose for themselves is a scary thought to most Democrats.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Business is not the only way that a society can share its talents and benefits, but it seems like private enterprise capitalism is the best for America. The good thing about freedom is that if one thing doesn't work, you can try another.

Business should treat its employees in the same manner it treats its other suppliers. The reason that business cannot force control the vendors is that the vendors have other customers. If employees always had a ready buyer for their labor other than their current employer they could have the same rights and freedoms afforded to other vendors.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Ultra Bob: "If employees always had a ready buyer for their labor other than their current employer they could have the same rights and freedoms afforded to other vendors."

It's called, "learn a skill that is in demand". Those who have valuable skills, will always have a job because lots of potential employers need what they can do.

If all you can do is flip a burger, then you can easily be replaced by a machine once the minimum wage is jacked up to a point that your employer can no longer pay you.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Re: "Business should treat its employees in the same manner it treats its other suppliers"... (UltraBob).

I personally would not like that. That sounds like all employees would be contract positions. Employers would only pay me when you use me (like the way you only pay your paper supplier, or your toner supplier, only when need what they are selling)

I like having a constant predictable income, not a pay me when they feel like using me paradigm you advocate.

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If we did as you recommend the relationship would have to be reciprocal. If my employer treated me like they do any other vendor... The good thing would be that I could set my own prices (like any vendor does). The down side would be that if my employer doesn't like my price he can go to any other vendor (like they would go to another vendor if they find a cheaper one).

I think that would result in driving wages way down, as people compete to get the jobs and try to undercut the price of other vendors. Is that what you want? I don't.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

My problem is that it is the threat of being unemployed without the means to survive and take part in the benefits of being an American is a way to enslave the people. America should not be a slave nation.

Government cannot force business to do its proper job. Government cannot bribe business to do its proper job. The only thing that will bring business under the control of society is competition. For the most part business has blocked almost every attempt at competition against businesses from workers and consumers.

Business won't bring the business up to the current world, people as individuals and small groups can't make them do it, but the people, their society and their government can.

Working for the government is the only way to overcome over come the blocks thrown up by business. This work should be real jobs, not welfare, at a proper wage. A wage high enough that business will have to pay the price to lure the worker away from the government job.

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