In some ways, perhaps, law enforcement officers are at-risk members of our
society. No, I am not referring to their putting their lives on the line, though
it is true they are at risk in that manner, also. I mean, they are at risk to
misuse guns. The gun is part of their lives, more than it is for most of us.
They live with a tool that was engineered to bring about death. That is its
purpose. Should ever they have a thought toward death, it is there waiting for
them. Since it is so much a part of their lives, the shadow of its purpose is
forever with them. An inanimate object is not literally capable of tapping
someone on the shoulder, saying, "Use me," but that is the essence of
the effect a gun sometimes has on those who make it so much a part of their
Thanks to to Deseret News for quoting the good that was said about this family,
including the much good that was said about the father, who was the probable
shooter. Yes, what was done was heinous, but Joshua Boren seems to have had much
good about him -- much. The DN story helps me have some favorable thoughts about
him. I do not think that wrong. If there was much good about him, I want to know
about it. So, I thank the Deseret News for including those quotes. I guess one
of the reasons for this comment, is that a week ago I was thinking that one of
the forms of love is to look for the good in all people, and to look for the
reason when they make a mistake. Yes, what was done was horrible, but I do not
think it wrong to have some warm feelings towards Joshua Boren.
To those of you who say we don't need to know the details, you are wrong.
Knowing details helps every single reader become alerted when we see similar
behavior in our own loved ones. Knowledge is power.
I did not see any church support in the article, which is often an important
aspect of family life. Perhaps with that this ultimate selfishness may not have
Bless the extended families, and may the memories of this family be good ones.
They do seem to deserve good memories. Bless them. I note some comments suggest
the DN leave well enough alone, and not write about this. This cannot be. A
terrible tragedy has taken place. It is not only news, but society's
bueiness. We should be concerned, and that includes wanting to know what
I had just commented on Facebook about how guns can bring good people to do bad
things when I opened the online DesNews to see this story, a perfect example of
what I had just written. A shortened version of what I wrote on Facebook:
Guns do have a good side, but it seems we should recognize they have an
inherently evil influence on society, as well. What else would we expect? The
were created as an instrument of death, and usually it cannot be said they have
achieved their purpose until someone is lying in a pool of blood. They are a bad
influence on many a good person. Case in point: Curtis Reeves. It is
said that if we outlawed guns, only the bad guys would have guns. But, Reeves
brings up another thought, as he is an example that "good guys" can
become bad when they have guns. Reeves was a former police officer, and former
head of security, yet he took the gun with him into a movie theater and ended up
shooting someone who was texting. Yes, I think the gun was a bad influence on
When a parent's life is submerged in suicidal depression, the entire world
seems hopelessly cruel. Death seems an inviting escape. No surprise that a
parent so depressed would choose to take his or her children out of this world
than to leave them here to suffer the perceived shame and loss of a parent who
committed suicide when he/she could no longer face the next obstacle.
" Police many of who are war veterans do not succumb to suicide, they have
faced fear and death beyond the scope of understanding yet a petty domestic
problem can make them crazy? "@My2Cents…. I kind of find
your comments rather inappropriate. Two reasons. 1) living in a state that
has has contributed a large amount to the wars in the middle east, we see a lot
of men and women coming home with issues from these events. Suicide across
these groups is on the rise, and it is a real problem.Secondly, the
military has nothing to do with this incident. This was a family going through
struggles, where for what ever reason one of them felt things were beyond
control. I have know of several people I had personal relationships that have
taken this unfortunate option.. and in each case what drove them to it were
completely different. It is deeply saddening to see someone to get
to the point of taking not only their own lives, both those of innocents. We
all wonder what would make an otherwise good person to the most horrible of
Kelly,I will miss you and the kids. You were a great person to chat
and work with.
i would like to say thank you to everyone in the states for all there kind words
and thoughts on this very sad day, we have lost 4 members of our family to which
we all loved , we has a family in england would like to point out that we dont
have any ill feelings towards josh,s family , they are going though just the
same as we are here in england
My suspicions are being aroused now with so many officers accused of taking
their own lives in the last year that its not beyond the realm of possibilities
these families and officers are victims of an organized hit squad to assassinate
these officers and their families and make it look like a suicide. Especially
where there has been no previous indications of stress and mental probablities
they were a threat to their families.There is a government plan in
progress to convert our country to communism and an officer who has conflicts of
duty to freedom and peace is a threat to a totalitarian government on the rise.
Hitler had the same notion with his brown shirts and eventually had them killed
and arrested as a threat to his regime, its not beyond the realm of current
governemnt to employ this same terrorism on local law enforcment.Too
many officer being killed for the same reason is becoming a real concern. Police
many of who are war veterans do not succumb to suicide, they have faced fear and
death beyond the scope of understanding yet a petty domestic problem can make
them crazy? That is whats crazy to believe.
The best thing that could come out of a tragedy like this is for POST to pass a
rule that each and every police officer from the top on down, be required at
least twice a year to undergo a psych evaluation and counseling, including
marriage counseling. The same for his/her family.There should be
support groups for the wives/husbands of officers. Will this cost money?
Absolutely. And it would be money well spent. Penny pinching
cities/counties/state should consider something like this as part of the benefit
package, or they should pay for it outright.For the sake of the
officer, this counseling should be private, only shared with the department when
it is apparent that there is some type of problem that could affect the job or
family.No one in the outside world understands what a cop goes
through on a day to day basis. The job is hard on families and marriages.I got out of police work to save my marriage. That was more important
than the job. I've now been married for 29 years. Had I stayed a cop,
I'd be one of the divorce statistics.
The family also lost the father. They are in pain as well. Don't they have
permission to grieve for him too?Anyone is capable of pretty much
Very sad - my heart goes out to the family, extended family and friends ....
This makes my heart hurt! Those beautiful kids gone!Prayers and
condolences to the families and friends and those in the neighborhood and school
classes.May they be comforted somehow in this tragic time.
I came to DN to read the Sports page... I have no interest now and my heart
breaks. Why ?
Tragedy for sure. These kinds of incidents are just the tip of family tragedy
icebergs. Family troubles are common; often serious. Counseling needs to be
available; but, it is recognized that some people are afraid to get it; There is
probably so much need, that not all who need it can receive counseling.
Government resources are limited. Church ministers are often swamped. Service
missionaries are possibility that should be considered. Classes in
family/marriage relations need to be increased.
Leave the details to the families. None of our business. Would you want all
your personal dirty laundry in the paper. (We all have some) Just because he
killed them does not give us the right to know all. We know there was a tragedy
so let's leave it at that. I have all the details I need.
The Provo Daily Herald reports "Boren and his wife had been separated for a
couple months but that the separation appeared to be a happy one. He said the
family continued to get together for things like family pictures and had
recently taken a family vacation to Disneyland over Christmas."Come on DN. We readers want your A-game in breaking news.
I respectfully disagree with you BYUalum. This tragic event qualifies as news
just like the Martin Handcart company mishap qualified and still qualifies as
News. In Shakespeare's play Othello, Did we not learn not to trust libelous
information about a wife's character from one's so-called friend Iago?
Prehaps there is a lesson to be learned from this event and this fellowship of
readers will be edified. Hopefully the lesson will be revealed sometime in the
near future and not lost by self-censorship.
This case included, there have been 6 innocent children killed by one of their
own parents this week in the United States, 4 in Utah. There is no excuse that
warrants a reason to kill your own kids. It's really very sad. God Bless
the families involved.
My opinion: We do not need to know every detail. Often people, who are right on
the edge, are spurred on and falsely motivated by stories like this. Point in
case, we just had a domestic murder/suicide a few days ago. Let the families
heal without sensationalizing this tragic event. No more stories on this, DN,
Its time that Utah starts investing more in mental health counseling. Its clear
that the man was struggling and he could have used a helping hand to show him
that he didn't have to feel the pain that he felt. Its sad that he
couldn't get help when he needed it most.
My deepest condolences to the family, neighbors, friends and acquaintances.
This is a terrible tragedy in any case. Let us not rush to judgment. Leave it
to the investigators and to our Creator who knows and sees all things.
Deepest condolences. There are absolutely no explanations that can
justify/explain murder-suicide of innocent people.
Terribly depressing. We have no right to know what happened. Hope the press
leaves the families alone. Good thoughts your way.
An absolute tragedy.
Terrible story. This is the kind of story that would get national attention in
the media. By the way, this paper was incredible slow in covering it. Scooped
by the other paper.
So many people are suffering, and their relationships with spouses and coworkers
seem to be where the pain takes its toll (and often these relationships seem to
be the source of the suffering).It is so sad. There is so much
beauty and joy to be had if we can figure out how to stop hurting one
another!My heart aches for the family and friends of this deceased
Whenever one of these tragedies occurs I recall the circumstances of an LDS
bishop whose son fell apart and killed his mom and a house guest. They son, who
had been much distressed, had gone to a mental health facility and pleaded for
help. He was given a prescription and told they didn't have a place for him
at that time. Within two days he committed the murders. The bottom line is that
we need far more help for our mentally distressed community members, nearly
everywhere. If we had a greater safety net for families in distress, we would at
least prevent some of these horror stories from happening. Two sad stories a few
hours apart in DN is just too sad.
Time will tell what the little facts are. Right now, we know the big facts -
that a police officer, one who is sworn to serve and protect the community, has
taken his family's life as well as his own. My heart goes out
to their extended family and friends. Right now, they need the support and
strength of the community as they deal with this grief.
So sad. Such a tragedy. What a cute mom and kids. Heart is broken.
Why do you do such a senseless act at all...?...Beyond sad...
...oh why why do it to the little innocent children? Why?