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Trayvon Martin's mother speaks out against racial profiling, calls for respect

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  • Ryan9 Grantsville, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    People that want to write about this case should really do their homework first. Martin was a very troubled violent young man. That is why his mother kicked him out of her house and sent him to live with his "father", an ex-gangbanger. This is not 'hard-to-find' information. We need the press to stop the race-baiting and start reporting facts so people can get real pictures of what is really going on.

  • widowlindsay Blue Rapids, KS
    Jan. 20, 2014 6:08 a.m.

    I see part of the problem with members of the black community not respecting themselves. They use the "n" word in addressing each other, call their girlfriends "ho's", wear their pants baggy, grab themselves. This type action just perpetuates a negative attitude. All people should be respectful of each other and other races. As part Cherokee, I feel part of the Native Americans, but you won't find any Native American who speaks disrespectful of their race. Respect yourself first, then others will show the same respect towards you, and that includes wearing "hoodies" when the weather doesn't call for it.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 18, 2014 7:03 p.m.

    Maybe both Martin and Zimmerman had their racist views, who knows. Probably likely, given that they're both human beings. But to me it has always sounded like two people who made decisions out of really poor judgment. As FT has already noted, absent the presence of a gun, no one would have died, and no one commenting here would even know these two human beings existed.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 6:09 a.m.

    What neighborhood would you walk in.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 18, 2014 12:17 a.m.

    So what happens when Martin's mother comes to speak in SLC? I sure hope she doesn't meet up with some of these posters, because it would give the city a bad name.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    @Neanderthal
    "We learn in grade school that 10 in 1,000 is less percentage-wise than 10 in 100."

    Sure but... okay let's try throwing in some sample numbers to illustrate my point. If we're looking at 2% of black people turning up with weapons in these searches (margin of error +- .75%) and 4% of white people turning up with weapons (margin of error +- 1.5%, MoE larger due to smaller sample size) why are we automatically assuming that frisking more white people is automatically going to lower their percentage?

    "Good luck with that. They frisk whoever's on the streets."

    You could change which streets are subject to it. Or you just get rid of this practice which was the thing that clinched de Blasio's primary win anyway.

  • Eliot Genola, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    My skin is white but if I trace my ancestry back far enough I will eventually find my family in Africa. Am I an African-American? Is someone whose recent ancestry is from Egypt, Morocco or Libya an African-American or do you classify them as Middle Eastern? There is no such thing as race in a biological sense as there is far more that unites us than there is that divides us. Indeed there is more differences biologically between people with light skin then there is between people with light skin and people with dark skin. The comment made that there are three races in the world, namely Caucasian, Negroid and Asian is medieval. It is false and has no scientific basis whatsoever. Ethnic and cultural differences are real but racial differences are fantasy.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    Fred,

    Your comment has proven you know very little about the evidence.

    Treyvon was on the phone with his girlfriend for several minutes before he attacked Zimmerman. Treyvon's girlfriend testified in court that Treyvon used a racial slur and foul language in reference to Zimmerman.

    I would write here the racist and vulgar phrase Treyvon used, but it wouldn't be allowed by the Des news. And rightfully so, disgusting racist phrases like that are despicable.

    Go read up on the evidence pal.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    Fred44 - Read the transcripts, and you will know that Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend describing Zimmerman before the confrontation.

    It isn't through a medium, it was on a simple cell phone.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    Zimmerman was not only a troubled man after the incidence, he was before as well. While this is was a tragedy I think the real issue was not about profiling but about guns. Without a hand gun this story turns out much differently. There will always be wantabee cops and vigilantes like Zimmerman but the difference now is that they walk around with loaded guns.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    cjb,

    Were you at the crime scene? I didn't see you testify, you could have really helped Mr. Zimmerman's case.

    For many of us who weren't there and don't know exactly what went on, the facts were a little less clear.

    Chris B. did Travon speak to his girlfriend from the other side? If not I am not sure how he used racial slurs in reference to Zimmerman.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    I was ravaged by a large dog, a breed known for being vicious. Consequently, I freak out when a dog runs up on me, but it is far worse if the dog looks like the one that attacked me.

    In those moments when I am trying to process a dog approaching me, there are 3 characteristics I assess, in this order:

    1. Size - large is scary, always. Little, not so much.
    2. Color - my calm brain knows this makes no difference, but when I am stressed by an approaching large dog, color somehow matters. If it is the color of the dog that attacked me I am far more scared.
    3. Breed - this is lower on the list because it is harder to assess than size and color, in that flash of panic.

    Does it make sense? Considering my experience, yes. Yet in reality the fur color does not matter.

    (I like dogs that run from me.)

    There are reasons certain people are more suspect than others. Some reasons are dress and behavior. For some people, it might be race, but there may be a bad experience that is the cause. Calling them racist is harsh, IMO.

  • Neanderthal Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    Schnee
    "It's possession, not use..."

    Police rarely if ever search private residents for evidence of marijuana use. Besides it appears that marijuana will soon be legal in this country.

    "...do you think the higher rates of stopping and frisking them as opposed to white people is what turns up the possessed marijuana?"

    If one group (blacks) is frisked more than another group their 'percentage' of finds might well be less. We learn in grade school that 10 in 1,000 is less percentage-wise than 10 in 100.

    "... I guess they need to frisk more white people or less minorities in order to balance it out."

    Good luck with that. They frisk whoever's on the streets.

    "I noted a study (which I should reference..."

    The names denote the race. And, yes, it's racist in a way. Unfortunately, black American history of employment reliability is divergent. This is unfortunate and should be changed. Who can change it? Black Americans. You can't have a bad reputation and expect good things to automatically happen.

    "...are you blaming black people for racial profiling?"

    From the facts in the Trayvon Martin case it looks as if they do.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    Zimmerman had the right to follow(and NO, police did not command him not to)

    He had the right to carry

    He had the right to defend

  • golf tooele, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    I only know a few African Americans personally and they are all nice people. The majority that I see are on TV and music videos. From what I view they want me to believe they are a bunch of thugs and that I should be scared because they might shoot me. Sorry for being scared its just what I see.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    When my kids were young, I tried to teach them that their appearance was a message they were sending to the world about themselves.

    My youngest son recently experienced this first hand. Just for fun, he used some of his wife's left over dye to color his hair blue (or green, I forget). Hoping to improve his position at work, he went to an interview like that. He was not selected. His interviewer, being an old softball and basketball buddy of mine, asked me what that was all about with his hair. I explained that my son is a good kid, good husband, good father, but that he was just playing around. (He's since cut his hair and looks much better.)

    The problem was that he looked like a punk based on the message he was sending. Bosses want people who look professional, not like punks. Was he profiled? Yes. Was it accurate? No. Was it justified? I think so. Does my son have a valid complaint? Not in my mind. He failed in his interview because of what he communicated to the interviewer. Not every message is verbal.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    cjb,

    Well said!

    It was also proven Treyvon had drugs in his system when he viciously attacked Zimmerman and also his own girlfriend admitted Treyvon used racial slurs in reference to Zimmerman. The only evidence of racism in this case was from Treyvon

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    Racial profiling .. if .. it happened is the least if the sins in this case. Travon's father told police the voice of the man screaming was not his son. Later when he realized changing his testimony might help convict George Zimmerman he changed his testimony. Texts from Travons phone showed he liked to pick fights and beat up people. Travon could have walked away when he noticed George Zimmerman keeping an eye on him. Instead he chose to sneek up on and then viciously attack Mr. Zimmerman, knocking his head repeatedly into a sidewalk and punching him in the face.

    If one wants to build a case against racial profiling, this is a terrible case to make that case.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    @Neanderthal
    "That's because blacks use on the streets and whites in the privacy of their homes."

    It's possession, not use, do you think the higher rates of stopping and frisking them as opposed to white people is what turns up the possessed marijuana?

    "If blacks and Latinos are frisked more than whites of course the rate of finding something would be smaller for the larger population of friskees"

    Using rates accounts for population differences. If your argument were correct then I guess they need to frisk more white people or less minorities in order to balance it out.

    "It looks like, as in all of life's situations, it would behoove the black community to rectify this situation... How? Stop having babies our of wedlock, stay out of gangs, get an education. "

    I noted a study (which I should reference...: "Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?") that compared response rates to job applications with similar qualifications, just with differences in name... unless... are you blaming black people for racial profiling?

  • Neanderthal Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    @Schnee:
    "Studies show that white and black people use marijuana at roughly the same rates, but that black people are arrested at 4x the rate of white people for marijuana possession."

    That's because blacks use on the streets and whites in the privacy of their homes.

    "New York says stop and frisk, which disproportionately went after black and Latino residents, on the basis Johnny Moser asserts, actually found weapons on only 1.8% of black and Latino residents compared to 3.8% of white residents."

    Way to skew statistics. If blacks and Latinos are frisked more than whites of course the rate of finding something would be smaller for the larger population of friskees.

    "Studies show employers are much more likely to interview someone with a white-sounding name over a black-sounding name if they have similar qualifications."

    It looks like, as in all of life's situations, it would behoove the black community to rectify this situation... How? Stop having babies our of wedlock, stay out of gangs, get an education. Applies to everyone.

  • hatterdude pensacola, FL
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    how can we express ourselves when we have to stick to strick guideline as if in a communist govt.

  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    @riverofsun:
    "Since the trial ended, we have seen evidence that Zimmerman is a troubled individual."

    Who wouldn't be troubled... being dragged through court, demeaned in the most vile ways, including being accused of racial profiling.

    @Vet2Biz:
    "Those who think profiling helps identify criminals are forgetting that in order to profile - you have to decide what a criminal looks like."

    You seem to think that racial profiling is racial criminalizing. Racial profiling is simply identifying someones race... of which there are four in the world... Caucasian (While), black (African) Hispanic, and Asian. Actually there are only three: Caucasian, African, and Asian.

    "No ONE group is more dangerous than any other."

    Not true. Statistics show that Black youth are involved in a disproportionate number of crimes.

    "Profiling is lazy and inaccurate."

    Profiling is a major tool in the arsenal of law enforcement to detain and punish law breakers, be they White, Black, or Asian.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    I can agree with hukutas, but Treyvon Martin, unfortunately, had his chance to grow up taken away by force. And the taker? He's gone on to other other things, probably convinced that he is, according to one DN poster, a "great man".

  • hukutas Columbus, OH
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    I think what some people must learn is respect is earned not given. Why respect any teen out in the middle of the night with their pants sagging, walking through other peoples property like a thug? Whats to respect?

    Bottom line certain people go around looking for trouble (Or acting like they are to be "Bad" or "Hard" but when they find it, they want to complain the entire system is at fault.

    Not to be heartless but it is time to grow up, stop having babies, hanging out on street corners, causing trouble and seeking the easy way out while drinking and smoking your drugs, bottom line, TIME TO GROW UP.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    Studies show that white and black people use marijuana at roughly the same rates, but that black people are arrested at 4x the rate of white people for marijuana possession.

    New York says stop and frisk, which disproportionately went after black and latino residents, on the basis Johnny Moser asserts, actually found weapons on only 1.8% of black and latino residents compared to 3.8% of white residents.

    Studies show employers are much more likely to interview someone with a white-sounding name over a black-sounding name if they have similar qualifications.

    To pretend racial profiling doesn't exist is to be colorblind (and not in the way you consider good).

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    In the first place, Zimmerman did not racially profile. He was asked by the dispatcher what color the suspect was. Zimmerman responded... "he looks black."

    Secondly, racial designations seems to be the choice of the Black community. They refer to themselves as "African-Americans." That term is profiling either by race or location origins. They should just drop the "African" and call themselves "Americans." Because they are Americans.

  • Vet2Biz South Jord, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    Those who think profiling helps identify criminals are forgetting that in order to profile - you have to decide what a criminal looks like. And when you do that - you may be right some of the time, but most likely all you're going to do it paint a target on the back of someone innocent. Clothing and skin color tells you NOTHING about a person's intent at any given moment. According to historical record, we should consider white people in nice clothes more prone to violence after dozens of centuries of war, genocide, slavery, organized crime and even crusades that has taken the lives of millions (maybe billions)! What I'm saying is that for every style of dress or skin color there are criminals and just regular people, but less criminals by huge margins. Statistics tell you NOTHING about what an individual is likely to do. No ONE group is more dangerous than any other. Profiling is lazy and inaccurate -but "even a broken clock is right twice a day."

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    Since the trial ended, we have seen evidence that Zimmerman is a troubled individual.
    Now, even more than before, there are screaming doubts about what really happened that night, and about the verdict.

  • Northern Logan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    Instead of speaking out on a topic bearing no meaning in this instance. Why not speak on being better parents and raising better kids.

  • lawburgtn USA, TN
    Jan. 17, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    Racial profiling is a name created by the media. The program is actually nothing more than statistical analysis. You take the crime data for an area and by a computer formula, a list is compiled of types of persons "likely" to commit crimes. Age, race are information used for this analysis. The program in its intended form is not a method to promote racism; it is merely a tool to help law enforcement keep an eye out for possible criminal elements. This is a tool to help prevent crime before it happens. Racist people are going to be racist; they do not need a computer program to help them be that way.

  • Lenea Corpus Christi, TX
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:59 a.m.

    I am so glad that Travvon's mother is going on and speaking in public. I am so glad that she is being invited from different organizations.. We need more parents to speak about unwanted races.. That is being taught in the home when these children are 2-3. They are following their parents. May God Bless her family and keep giving her strength to carry on..
    Robbin Gunter..

  • Johnny Moser Thayne, WY
    Jan. 17, 2014 3:27 a.m.

    The real problem with profiling, is it works. We can talk about doing something different but we haven't found anything as effective.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:14 a.m.

    "Racial profiling" is an over used phrase to excuse yourself.