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Published: Saturday, Jan. 18 2014 8:40 a.m. MST

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brokenclay
Tempe, AZ

High-power comments from a great servant-leader.

1. "But the grace of the father, to run to meet the son who is on his way back home, is so counterintuitive to the Eastern mindset."

2. "We talk so many subjects ad nauseam. We almost never sit around a table and ask what is life's ultimate purpose? Who am I in my essence. We make decisions ad hoc."

3. "[Our friendship's] always been on a warm and cordial basis, which is wonderful knowing that our fundamental beliefs are so different."

4. "In the Christian message, the content is that Jesus Christ didn't come into this world to make bad people good, he came into this world to make dead people live."

5. "[W]hat [tolerance] really means is I want you to be tolerant of my belief, I'm going to be intolerant of yours if you disagree with me."

6. "[T]he illusion of neutrality"

7. "The multiple highways into a person's heart and soul today are almost too numerous to counter because they invade the imagination and violate reason at ages in which our young people are most vulnerable."

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

I liked everything he said. I'm intrigued by the comment that he is friends with Robert Millett whose work on helping LDS understand Grace I greatly admire, and by the fact he says we still have deep doctrinal differences. In the things that matter, I don't see it that way. I think we have far more that we agree on. CS Lewis said in the preface to Mere Christianity something to the effect that we make a lot more of our differences in Christianity than we really should and at the core, there isn't much that separates us. I agree.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

I was in the tabernacle in 2004 when he spoke, and had tears in my eyes when Dr. Mouw (who was also in attendance) said that he had sinned against God for all the negative things he had said against Joseph Smith, and his father and grandfather had as well, and he said, "I'm sorry." There is a special spirit in air, whenever any says, "I'm sorry." I need to do it more. I enjoyed Mr. Zacharias saying that the Lord didn't die on the cross to prove a point. And the cross is where love and evil came together. To be frank, securlarism is winning and the traditional family is becoming rare on the east coast, and government is growing, and everything is about the might law suit. Christianity needs to be united, and needs strong united leadership, and it wouldn't hurt if God spoke again to a prophet in our day and gave us new scripture.

desert
Potsdam, 00

This was an invitation to disagree.
Why not. Most anti-moral and anti-theology/theocracy arguments are not nullified with him.
The danger of religious dominance to exclude the other half of the human mind, I cannot see in his approach to faith.

What I like about the Church of LDS is, it puts the responsibilty of conversion on an individual basis, not on a universal preaching standard to the rest of us.
We learn as LDS that the church consists of individual members, as they are individual children of God the Father. That is a very different approach for salvation, than the most of evangelical preachers do.

Christ has an order of salvation to each individual, not a common sense of salvation to all of the congregation. You become alive by the atonement and intention of Christ, not by the preaching of the gospel. Truth will be found within your relationship to Jesus Christ, who cannot be seperated from the church.

desert
Potsdam, 00

@ desert

it said ...The danger of religious dominance to exclude the other half of the human mind, I cannot see in his approach to faith.

should say...to avoid any religious dominance, that very often is to exclude the other half of the human mind (which is the free will), I cannot see this in his way to defend faith.Meaning there needs to be a stronger argument to convince the secular world.

donn
layton, UT

RE: Desert, You become alive by the atonement and intention of Christ, ‘not by the preaching of the gospel’.

Romans 10:9-10, If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your Heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your Heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

-15-17. And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!(gospel)” But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!(Gal 1:8)

GoodThinking
LAS VEGAS, NV

It is not true to say that Ravi Zacharias is the first Evangelical to speak in the LDS Tabernacle since 1899. This urban myth was refuted ten years ago, when Zacharias came the first time. His promoters use it because it sensationalizes the event. See these 13 others.
1871: D. L. Moody preached in the Tabernacle.
1894: William Booth, the founder of the Salvation Army, preached.
1895: Rev. Anna Shaw was the first female Protestant minister to speak.
1898: Dr. J. H. Reiner, a Salt Lake Catholic priest preached clear distinction of doctrine.
1899: D. L. Moody preached again.
1899: Bishop Kingsley and Dr. Tiffany preached.
1921: Rev. A. W. Moulton preached.
1922: Rev. G. S. Davis was invited to pray.
1928: The Episcopal Church held a convention at the LDS Tabernacle.
1930: Rev. Moulton and Rev. A. L. Rice spoke.
1945: Rev. A. W. Lyons, Rev. Moulton, and Rev. W. F. Bulkley spoke.
1946: Bishop D. G. Hunt and Rev. J. E. Carver spoke.
1991: A Gospel Music Workshop meeting convened with preaching.
1996: Rev. R. R. Sewell spoke.
All of these filled the gap of the past 100 years. Greg Johnson, who was quoted, keeps putting the wrong information on his website and other pick it up.

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

To Donn of Layton,

We could whip out our scriptures and use them like weapons, but I don't think that's what the Savior intended.

I like what Jesus had to say on the subject:

"...there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward." (Mark 9:39-41)

I think that we all need to study more the life and teachings of Jesus. By grace we are all saved, but if His ministry were only about the atonement, He wouldn't have taught the people how to be like Him. Peace, brother.

donn
layton, UT

RE: Midwest Mom, We could whip out our scriptures and use them like weapons, but I don't think that's what the Savior intended. Wrong,

Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.(Eph 6:17)

@By grace we are all saved. Wrong,

Salvation is not universal but based on the belief of the individual. Wrong,
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that “whoever believes” in him shall not perish but have eternal life.(John 3:16)

36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. (John 3:36)

It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy.(Romans 9:16)

Kirk R Graves
West Jordan, UT

@donn

I don't suppose you realize that the exact scriptures you quote to prove your opinion of Christianity are the same scriptures others use to prove the opposite.

Midwest Mom's point is valid. Wacking each other over the head with scripture quotes really accomplishes nothing.

antodav
TAMPA, FL

He is incorrect regarding what the "Christian message" is, but if he can agree to disagree, so can those of us who know the truth. It is impressive to see this and so many other evangelicals reaching out, ostensibly sincerely, to Mormons in the spirit of camaraderie and fellowship, but there is too much history there (much of it fairly recent) for us to be able to trust it without reservations.

cassandove
Tampa, FL

I think a big issue regarding the use of "salvation" by this preacher - and the understanding thereof - is that what most people of Protestant faiths call "salvation", Latter-day Saints call "exaltation". I've found this to be an issue of interpretation of scripture more than anything else.

To be saved from the effects of physical death, we don't have to do anything; we are 'saved' through Christ, as He was resurrected. To become exalted - "heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ" (Romans 8:17) - however, we must make and keep covenants, and it is in *this* matter which grace applies only after we do all we can do and sincerely repent of our sins and transgressions.

Very interesting dialogue that Dr. Zacharias opens up here, although perhaps due to my own bad experiences with Protestantism, I'm very hesitant to reach for interfaith fellowship or dialogue with evangelical leaders.

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