Published: Thursday, Jan. 16 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
"This cannot be done without allowing religious ideas into the public square
and even the business world. "There's a difference between
say... Chik-fil-A not opening Sundays (perfectly fine to do even if it was
slightly frustrating for me because I seemed to only ever be near one and have
an ill-timed hankering for it on Sundays) and a hypothetical law to require all
restaurants in a state to be closed on Sundays.As for the birth
control mandate, I'd rather see single payer anyway and once gov't
provides insurance instead of the employer then nobody has to worry about what
employers care about.
I believe the basic concepts of this article, but, unfortunately, too many are
trying to use the religious views of the majority to trample the rights of those
in the minority. I value the good that religion brings to a society, but we need
to honestly look at the harm it causes others when we favor one religious belief
over that of others. People believe religious freedom is under
attack because it's becoming more difficult for individuals to unfairly
discriminate against minorities in the name of religious and moral convictions.
It's honestly hard to look inside ourselves and see if we are truly a
fair-minded and loving person when we choose not to do business with a person
based on characteristics of which we don't approve. It's hard to admit
that we may be bigoted. Let's not use religion nor the lack of religion as
an excuse for treating others in less than a civil way.
I am all for religious people putting their faith and testimony in the public
square. It is just hard when every debate and argument ends with "well my
God told me this is the truth and that is the end of the discussion". There
is no more debate or argument because how do you debate their God (not to
mention the fact that everyone's God seems to disagree with each
other's "God"). When it comes to religious freedom what
is going to stop people form creating a religion as a justification to do
whatever they want? If you want to smoke pot legally in Utah, start a religion
that says it is required. Want to get out of jury duty, say it is against your
"religion". Do you want to stop paying taxes, just say your God does not
allow it. Since when does religious freedom give you the excuse to do anything
you want to?It seems to me that people who have always had all the
power are starting to get scared because other people (gays, atheists,
minorities) are starting to be treated equal in our country.
Truth is relativity. It's the books you read and the people your with.
belief is only what you can count on or depend on. Religion is what you do
I suppose if the United States hadn't just spent 12 years, 5,000 dead,
75,000 wounded, and $3 Trillion to beat Religion OUT of Governments, Jay might
have a point...
If the secular side of society, with all of it's "open minded"
thought, really is "open minded" then they should embrace that their are
people of faith. Part of that faith, is the feeling or desire to share their
faith with others. This should be embraced and discussed. For the person of
faith, they need to be respectful of other faiths and people of no faith, but
freely discuss ask questions etc.Now if someone is going to be
belligerent, rude, then there is no place for that on either side. However, if a
secular or a person of faith knocked on my door and wanted to share their
thoughts. I probably wouldn't care to talk to either of them, but, I would
be respectful and decline the offer.
To put religion into perspective, may I briefly explain the very core by which I
understand the world and all things: God exists, He is our Heavenly Father,
Jesus is the Christ. Joseph Smith was a prophet, and I've seen through my
entire life that those who live by the Gospel are better off than those who
don't. It's not an opinion or an experiment; it's a proven
truth, by all degree of understanding I bear. If I decide that following the
commandments is inconvenient, or that I don't agree with the Church, or
whatever else, they're no less true.That said, I -do- have the
choice to follow the commandments. If, as a small child I'm told not to
touch the stove, it'd be a good idea to heed it. I can disobay and touch
the stove; I can even insist that the stove is not hot, or that there is no
stove at all, but it would not change the result of touching the stove.There are a lot of people touching the stove, genuinely wondering why they
suffer burns, and ridiculing people who choose not to touch the stove.
Criticism is not persecution.Freedom of speech does not prohibit
scrutiny of one’s ideas and beliefs. It practically guarantees it.Anyone bringing their ideas and beliefs into the public square should
expect to play by the same set of rules. No one’s beliefs are more
special than any other, no matter how special they may feel to you.At a business level, a baker of Religion A should no more be allowed to refuse
service to a gay couple than a photographer of Religion B should be allowed to
refuse service to people who believe that LGBTs are inherently immoral or
“aberrations.” This is religious freedom being practiced in the
There always seems to be a need for a demon in the lives of many. Some have
chosen religion to be that demon. They demonize those who believe in God. They
demonize those who pray in public. They demonize those who invite others to be
kind, to be charitable, to be Christlike. They demonize those who teach their
children to respect and honor our Creator. As Americans, they have
the right to demonize, but why would they feel inclined to demonize? What is
their motivation? Why are they so intimidated when others express thanks to the
Creator who gave us life and who bestowed on us our liberties? Do they think
that government gave us life? Do they think that our liberties come from
government? Or, do they believe in the law of the jungle? Are they always
looking for the biggest stick?Respect for God is the basis for
civility and for civilization; otherwise, we would all become slaves to whoever
had the biggest stick.
The current court case over prayer focuses on the fact that the prayers offered
most frequently represent one religious philosophy to the exclusion of others.
If prayers are going to be allowed, they should be inclusive of all religious
philosophies. A news story from last year mentioned an atheist "prayer"
that was offered in a different state and the very negative reactions towards
it. So much for respect for others' views....As for the birth
control question: What it really comes down to is the question of whether your
employer can use his or her religious beliefs to control your private life and
medical decisions? Insurance is a benefit offered to attract and retain good
employees. It is often offered as part of the full compensation in lieu of
higher wages. Does your employer have the right to place limits on how your
compensation for the job you have done can be utilized? Would it be fair to
require employers who place limitations on insurance coverage to pay the
employee more money?
"The First Amendment allows for the free exercise; of religion. This cannot
be done without allowing religious ideas into the public square and even the
business world. So says you Mr. Evensen. I would disagree that once
again while your religious beliefs may inform your opinions, morals, and
personal standards, and you are free to personally exercise those beliefs, once
you enter the public square your beliefs do not trump my rights.
The purpose of religion is the enslavement of the minds of people. The reason
for that purpose is to garner the wealth and control of its members. Churches are the largest and richest corporations in the world. Churches are
the most controlling governments in the lives of their members.
Ah, the liberal paradise: where praying to God is forbidden, and you are
punished if you don't pray to Marx or Obama. Remember the story of Daniel
and the Lions Den? The government put up a statute of the King, and demanded
that everyone worship the statute. If you disagreed, you were put to death.Sure sounds like today, where the liberals insist that you worship the
great god Government (and many want to worship Obama personally), and at the
same time punish you if you do not want to worship Government and their moral
standards. Today's modern liberalism IS a religion; and they are
doing their best to stamp out what they perceive is a threat: Christians.
Some would have us believe that they own the public square. Some would even go
so far as to tell us what we can and cannot say in "their" public
square. Excuse me, but "public" means open to everyone. "Free
speech" means everyone, not just a "free speech bigot" or a
"religious bigot" who thinks that he owns the public square and that he
has the right to restrict speech in "his" public square.The
1st Amendment restricts government from interfering with an establishment of
religion. The 1st Amendment also guarantees that anyone can use his right to
speak freely in public, even if that speech is a prayer. Those whose bloods
boils with religious bigotry may disagree. They have that right, after all,
those of us who believe, as did the founding fathers, that our Creator endowed
us with liberty would never try to restrict a fewllow citizen from exercising
his God-given liberties, especially in the public square.
The united states isn't facing a religion crisis. Religion is facing a
religion crisis. It's had it's way for too long, and people are
pushing back. It's gotten away with too much by saying either it gets to
overstep it's bounds in the public square by definition or it will claim to
be oppressed. As for employers not wanting to make contraception available to
their employees or they will feel marginalised, sorry about their luck.
It's none of their business, and the best argument there is for a single
payer health care system. It's disingenuous to keep playing the victim
card. People want their rights, and the old reality is going to have to change.
Jay, exactly which religious people in the USA are being "persecuted"?
Where and by whom? If by persecution you mean criticism in the public square,
you're off base. Let me remind you of a little thing called the 1st
Amendment. If you mean violence, show us where this is happening. Such a thing
is against the law in every jurisdiction I know of in this country.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahThere always seems to be a need for a
demon in the lives of many. ============ And to some of
the "religous" here, The demons are the:atheists, un-believers, infadels,liberals, democrats,tree-huggers, illegal immigrants, gays, and Non-Mormons, and even fellow Mormons.Isn't that right?
Re: ". . . too many are trying to use the religious views of the majority to
trample the rights of those in the minority."No one is actually
doing that. In fact, it's actually quite the opposite, today.LGBT activists are playing the religion card, hoping to shame people into
unthinking and illegal submission to their scary brave new LGBT world. Goofy,
iconoclastic atheists, secularists, and phony new-age religionists are playing
the same hand to try and force real religion into the closet, insisting real
people, whose faith informs their every action, should be prohibited from
referring to the source of their goodness and decency in public. Liberals and
libertines play the same card in sad, vain attempts to feel good about doing
bad, advancing an agenda, particularly in the military, that can only benefit
amoral Americans, and hurt the Nation.Think about those you know.The most religious people are also the most caring, inclusive, decent,
honest, and charitable. The irreligious tend to be just the opposite --
grasping, grating, disingenuous, elitist.Why would any rational
individual support an agenda of turning the world over to them?
I'll remember this silly article the next time I go to General Conference
at Temple Square as see the "religous" attacking the religous, and
chuckle to myself when observing the jack-booted Government Police Force
that's there protecting my right to attend.BTW - the only
Government attacking religion -- was George W Bush and Cheney and their $3
Trllion Crusade in desert.
LDS LiberalDid it ever occur to you that some of the demons of
LIBERALS are:religiousbelieversconservativesRepublicanscapitalistsrich peoplelegal immigrantsstraightsMormonsand even fellow Mormons?Isn't
that right? LDS Liberal
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