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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 15 2014 11:08 p.m. MST

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sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Twin Lights, Tell the vision to no man, “Until the Son of man be risen again from the dead” (the resurrection)’.(Mt 17:9).

The issue was the transfiguration and to convince them that he was the Christ,the Son of God. Besides, if they had told it then, it would have provoked the Jews and endangered his life. His time was not yet come.

The Temple, he said that one greater than the temple has come! Jesus Christ. It is in Christ’s church–as Jesus’ mystical body–that we(Christians) find the fulfillment of the O. T. prophecies regarding Jerusalem and the Mountain of the Lord. The promise of a land, will be fulfilled in a new heaven and earth in the consummation (. Rom 4:13; Heb 11:9-10).

Christ’s body is the true temple. “For we are the temple of the living God” (2 Co 6:16).That to which the temple had pointed, is now a reality through the work of the Holy Spirit/Ghost, same Greek word (pneuma).

RE: SCfan,speaking the truth in love…Eph 4:15. I left the church when,I was born again..

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Sharrona,

I am aware that he was speaking of the resurrection.

Reference his life being in danger? Maybe. But he later says reference his life that “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.” Also, “Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?”

Yes, Christ was greater than the temple. But his disciples continued to attend the temple after his death and resurrection. Why if the temple was no longer of any importance?

None of this addresses my point. There were some things taught by Christ that were for certain people and at a certain time and place.

Creeper51
Bountiful, UT

Too all of you guys talking about the Prophets borrowing signs from the Mason's, just think of what and who the Mason's are. There are several texts and manuscripts that date the begin's of the freemason group all the way back to Jabal the son of Lamech who was a descendant of Cain.

The Cooke manuscript state's that Euclid learned of masonry from the Egyptians, and they intern learned it from Abraham, Abraham was a Prophet of God who went to a quote temple and was instructed by God. (Genesis 12) So maybe the Prophets didn't borrow from the Mason's, they just reinstated what God had already set forth as the temple ceremony, and in all reality the Mason's (Euclid) borrowed from God.

Food for thought the Cooke Manuscript is rather interesting and everybody should take a quick peek at it.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Twin Lights,… “The total destruction of the temple by of Titus in A.D. 70, this prophecy of Jesus has long since come to pass. No Jewish Temple has stood on the Temple Mount to this day.

The emphasis in the N. T. after brief accounts of the early history of the church in Jerusalem in the Book of Acts shifts away from Jerusalem and Jewish community life. The temple in Jerusalem is no longer the central focus point for God's presence in the world.

This time period when Israel would have No temple nor sacrifice was predicted by (Hosea 3:4-5 TLB)… “ Israel will be a long time without a king or prince, and without an altar, Temple, priests, or even idols! Afterward they will return to the Lord their God and to the Messiah(Jesus), their King, and they shall come trembling, submissive to the Lord and to his blessings in the end times.”

… I saw No temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple (Rev 21:22)

The Temple for Christians is Jesus. “destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19).

truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

How has the film changed? The article mentions that there have been no changes to the script, but it leaves out any specific changes that have been made. Are the characters different? Is the plot different? What exactly are the changes to the new movie? This article left me with more questions than answers.

Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

Is this new film in 3D?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Sharrona,

Thank you. I know the temple history.

No argument that there was a shift (and obviously after the temple was destroyed), but the point is simple - the temple continued to have meaning to Christ’s disciples (including Paul) after Christ’s death and resurrection. If not, they would not have gone.

And, it certainly had meaning to Christ (one of the few times he showed anger).

But none of this gets to my point. There were some things taught by Christ that were for certain people and at a certain time and place. Right?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Sharrona,

Thank you. I know the temple history.

No argument that there was a shift (and obviously after the temple was destroyed), but the point is simple - the temple continued to have meaning to Christ’s disciples (including Paul) after Christ’s death and resurrection. If not, they would not have gone.

And, it certainly had meaning to Christ (one of the few times he showed anger).

But none of this gets to my point. There were some things taught by Christ that were for certain people and at a certain time and place. Right?

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

Let's be clear here. Freemasonry only goes back to the 1700's. Some sources trace it back as far as the 1400's but that certainly does not pre-date temple rites in the Old Testament. Can't truly state that LDS temple ceremonies were borrowed by Joseph Smith from freemasonry when freemasonry is not the origin of the rites being discussed here.

Here
Sandy, UT

I see some postings that criticize or analyze the temple movie. I think we need to be careful in doing so.

1. We probably should take the same kind of advice Nephi gave in the title page of the Book of Mormon regarding God-given revelation. "And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ."

2. I don't believe we really have the perspective or background (nor the prerogative) that the church leaders have when they change the films. I am confident they are very careful, take time, are very thoughtful, and seek for revelation when they do.

We would do better to listen and learn than to critique. Just my thoughts.

Here
Sandy, UT

On another note, regarding the public or private nature of scriptures and baptism, scriptures and baptisms versus temple ordinances are apples and oranges. in one important way, In my opinion, scriptures and baptisms are designed/created by our Heavenly Father to be public. Scriptures are meant to teach all people everywhere, and baptism, to publically make certain covenants. I believe the temple ordinances were designed and created by God as personal experiences to make some very sacred, personal covenants.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Twin Lights, certain time and place.

Apples and oranges, You need to focus on sociological historical context compared to, “Morals and Dogma”.

Jesus knew that publicity over such miracles might hinder His mission and divert public attention from His message. Mark records that this is exactly what happened.. As a result, Christ had to move His ministry away from the city and into the desert .

Plush Christ had cleansed the leper, required - to go at once to the priest, and not to make delay by stopping to converse about his being healed. he did not go at once, men would go before him and prejudice the priest, and prevent his declaring the healing to be true . It was of further importance that the priest should pronounce it to be a genuine cure.

, Jesus did not want people focusing on the miracles , but rather the message He proclaimed and the death He was going to die. The same is true today. God would rather that we be focused on the healing miracle of salvation through Jesus Christ instead of focusing on other healings and/or miracles.

Semi-Strong
Louisville, KY

Sharrona,

I am unclear what the relationship is of “Morals and Dogma” to our discussion.

The leper is a more complex case (partly for reasons you cite) which is why I did not use it.

I am just talking about the transfiguration which is not a miracle Christ performed but a revelation to which Peter, James and John were witness.

I agree that there were reasons for what Christ did. But it does not change the fact that this was a specific revelation to a small group (the select of even the apostles) and they were not to talk about it.

The temple not being openly discussed is therefore in keeping with precedent set in the NT.

And you have not addressed why the apostles continued to go to the temple after Christ’s resurrection.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Creeper51

Just FYI, the masons originate from the 15th to the 18th centuries, and they did not exist before that, let alone back to bible times. Joseph Smith did borrow many of the things in the temple from the masons, and then adjusted them for use in the LDS religion. One has to wonder why Joseph had to become a mason to do that, rather then just having it revealed to him like other things were.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

"When I talk to Mormons about what goes on in the temple? They claim they can't talk about it because it's Sacred."

Sharrona -

You are obviously a biblical scholar, and so being, you obviously understand that when Jesus taught the folks he did so in parables. And you know that parables contain certain words and phrases that are metaphors, and only to be understood by those "who have ears to hear", or in other words Sharrona - he spoke to folks (like you) in code, or "secret" language. I explain in "simple" terms so even you will understand.

Jesus knew that revealing "secrets" to certain people would only serve to provide the needed fodder for them to trample on sacred things.

Every temple is OPEN to the general public for weeks prior to being dedicated for the work to be done, and tour guides OPENLY answer questions from all of the visitor as they tour every area inside each temple. There are no "secrets".

Chris B - I would love for you to join the church. I just know that by so doing you will see the light and become a Mighty Cougar!!

Grandma 20
Allen, TX

Brahmabull
Sandy, UT

"Joseph Smith did borrow many of the things in the temple from the masons, and then adjusted them for use in the LDS religion. One has to wonder why Joseph had to become a mason to do that, rather then just having it revealed to him like other things were."

Is there written proof what you say about Joseph Smith? Thanks. Just wondering.

bj-hp
Maryville, MO

Let us be clear about this and that is that no one knows for sure when the freemasons came into being. There are in some channels that they date all the way back to when Solomon's Temple was first built.

The time period that has been mentioned by some of the above posters is really nothing more than a theory. There is some basis for it but it is still a theory.

Again if you look at scripture and the revelations given to Joseph Smith you find that the biggest key is the restitution of all things. That means that the temple ordinances had to be restored to the earth. The ordinances Joseph Smith used had been on earth before and had to be restored, just as the priesthood and all priesthood keys. They had to be restored. The fullness of the Gospel has been on the Earth during certain dispensations starting with Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Jesus (The Son of God) and now the last dispensation (The fullness of time). Again it had to be restored in its proper context.

EternalPerspective
Eldersburg, MD

sharrona, et. al. non-Mormon Christians

I enjoy reading comments of those who are not Mormons. I myself was an atheist until not long ago when my eyes were opened to the truth. We as Mormons do not seek to take away anything from all who have followed Christ. Rather, we invite every soul to investigate our works for truth by immersion and study, not vicariously through the internet, propaganda, rumors, slander, and so forth.

It is of a certain truth the Bible is a chronology of the Lord's dealings with ancient inhabitants of areas surrounding Jerusalem. Patterns included (a) Living prophet, (b) New scripture, (c) "Church" organization, (d) Covenants made with God, (e) Persecution by the world, (f) Revelation by the power of the Spirit. There are many others as well.

Why do so many in this day deny that God works on earth by the very same patterns that exist in the Bible? Why do they go to such great lengths to dismiss and discredit without firsthand investigation for truth? One must ask themselves, am I truly ready to follow the Lord's will or remain content to do my own and that of the world?

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

It's about reverence for sacred things..so much so that we do not make temple worship common place, open to scrutiny or mockery of all.

antodav
TAMPA, FL

I look forward to being able to see this, and the other film, in the next couple of months or so. I saw the '80s version of the film when I was endowed; it was definitely in desperate need of an update. I wonder what part of the endowment this second film pertains to though…

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