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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 14 2014 9:25 p.m. MST

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There often seems to be a divide here in America between those who think there should be a separation of church and state and those who think that separation should not exist.

As one who supports the separation, I do it from a standpoint informed by many of the issues found in the Pew study.

When religion and government are too closely intertwined, it results not only in religion controlling the government, but in government controlling religion.

When we carve out legal exceptions based on religion, the right of individuals to fully practice their religion is infringed.

Whether laws are based on Sharia, Christianity, Judaism, or Buddhism, some one is going to get shut out and have their right to worship limited.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"...There is no concept of separation of church and state in Islamic tradition...".

Only in Islamic tradition?

Castle Valley, Utah


Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

A more accurate headline, IMVHO, would be: Religions across the world are feeling back lash from their over reaching into political and public policies and trying to force their beliefs on others.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Who doesn't want that. Religion is what you do religiously. What would I die for?

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Liberals demand we keep religion out of their government but they have NO problem forcing their government onto and into religion! This article and the study referenced accurately points out examples.

Sioux City, IA

These are the situations that the Founding Fathers were concerned about happening and that is why they added the "Establishment Clause" to prevent the Government from being the designated religion of the Nation.

Scio, OR

Why we give Pakistan even a dime of foreign aid to prop them up is beyond me.

Provo, UT

Look, liberals hate Christianity, just as any other competing faith does. Liberals worship the God of Government, and a whole lot worship Obama in particular. Just ask Barbara Walters, who called him "the Messiah" just a couple of weeks ago.

Listen to the liberals here on DN, who insist that Christian churches should not be allowed to influence or even speak up about topics, ever. They are curiously silent about Islam, though.

Here, UT

It would seem that the biggest oppressor of religions is other religions.

Houston, TX

@Bob - Most of the examples of religious perspecution given in the article involve cases where the religious minority is just trying to survive. The article noted that the situation in the Americas is far different from the religious conflicts in Europe, Asia, and Africa.

To some people, the very existence of a religion is deemed as overreaching into the public arena. They will not be content until the religion is vanquished.


It appears when most of your read "Religious Freedom," you automatically think of Christians being persecuted and demeaned. You have no problem with making derogatory remarks or laws targeting Islam or Hinduism or Shinto. The only religious people you are concerned about are either Christians or Jews.

I am Pagan. None of you have a problem making fun of my religion. You don't understand my religion; you don't even believe it's a "real" religion.

If you want my respect, respect me.

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

@gmlewis: I respectfully disagree. The examples in the article still demonstrate at least one religion forcing it's beliefs on those who do not share the same belief system. In some cases threating the existence of those who do not share their belief. This is the inherent problem with all religions, especially those that proclaim they are the only true religion and why in America NO religion should be given a pass if it attempts to sway, create or otherwise mingle in secular governmental policies.

Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Maudine" so what you want is for governments to adopt the state religion of Athiesm or Secular Humanism. Either way, you have a state religion that forces non-athiests to worship as the athiests proscribe.

Daniel L.
Murray, UT

I think this demonstrates how closely religion and politics are intertwined. Not always for the better, and not always for the worse. Allowing free and open debate on both is what I think has made the Americas, especially the US what it is today. On the other side, if political debate is silenced, religious debate is also and vice versa. I don't think it is possible to have one without the other. "Absolute power will corrupt absolutely" - I don't think there are vary many of us on this earth in which that phrase doesn't apply. It is great that we are at a time and place where we must win converts (both religious and political) by open and public debate. It saves us from ourselves.

Phillip M Hotchkiss
Malta, Mt

Stand for something,or sit down and watch as others get abused for having religion of some sort. I disagree with Ranch i think the biggest oppresor of religion , is ones who have none.i see people like him degrading ones who believe more then i do say a Catholic critizing a Mormon. We need to respect ones even if it not what we feel is correct

Here, UT


Believe whatever you want. Express whatever you want. Just don't try to force others who do not believe as you do to live by your beliefs.

Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

A person can worship anything or anyone they want to in there house, church, or temple. No one is trying to stop you. Just don't force your beliefs and your version of God on to anyone else. Just because your God tells you one thing doesn't mean that my God is going to agree with you.

St George, UT


"Believe whatever you want. Express whatever you want. Just don't try to force others who do not believe as you do to live by your beliefs."

But you just did yourself. Why can't I force someone to believe what I believe? By telling me that, you're pushing your values on me. Most Muslim countries believe it's perfectly okay to force someone to be Muslim.

It's like consent in marriage. YOU believe that consent is a requirement for marriage, why should someone else have to believe that? Don't force your beliefs, ANY BELIEFS, on someone else. Your moral line is different from someone else's.

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but you get my point. The 10th amendment grants states to believe what they want to believe, that's why it's okay for Utah to define marriage between a man and a woman, because they should have the right to believe what they want to believe. Don't force them into following your definition of marriage, that only "consent" is required for marriage.

American Fork, UT

Religion isn't just the victim; it's the cause. It is never content to be kept to itself, nor to an individual, or a group of individuals.

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