C'mon, ute fans, whether it was ignorant or foolish, he was speaking
rhetorically and you MUST admit that the response to Roger's comment was
WAY over the top -- fueled, of course, by the indignation ute fans. Regardless, interesting article, great guy, wish Chris the best, and I'm
sure BYU will keep him on "the list" for that someday in the future when
Dave Rose decides it's time to hang 'em up.
I still remember the Reid, Burgess incident, and I remember as a BYU fan just
thinking to myself...why? Why do crazy BYU coaches and employees say stupid
things like this? No, BYU is not the Lords University, nor do all Mormons cheer
for BYU...many are in third world countries where they are more concerned about
where their next meal will come from. That said, I also remember
following Burgess and his shortcomings at Duke, and thinking "what comes
around goes around". Mark Madsen had the same experience with Reid and never
said boo about it, while Burgess and his parents had to whine to the media about
how he was approached. I think BOTH Reid and Burgess would take their statements
back if they could, because neither party did or said the right thing in that
situation. I wish Burgess all the best. He sounds like a great guy
who's learned a lot from his experiences.
@ StGtoSLC, I stand by my comment. See it all the time where an athlete chooses
the big name school but is only good enough to ride the bench while at a
"lesser" school, they would play a lot and refine their skills and be
better prepared for the next level if they are truly good enough. If they
don't have aspirations to move to the next level, then that's
different. Enjoy the experience. But for Burgess, he would not have
transferred if it was just about the experience of being on one of the storied
programs with a fantastic coach. I could develop the argument further, but my
point is sufficiently made. This, by the way, is not a personal attack on
Burgess. I am totally neutral about him, just like I am about Shawn Bradley who
grasped the golden ring by coming out too early and had less than he could have
JPC, You're correct. Clyburn was better than Wash, but
he was gone as soon Boylen got fired. Coach K certainly didn't run him
off. He would be one of those players who left on his own accord, along with
O'brien. Boylen got some guys with talent, but there certainly wasn't
enough to compete in the MWC or the Pac-12.
Esquire, ego exceeded the talent? Do you know, or have you ever met Chris?
I'm going to answer that for you, and say no, because you couldn't be
further from the truth.
I have an idea: why don't we get over this and move on?I think
Roger Reid was a better coach of lesser-known and -talented players. He
didn't have much luck with his dream recruits like the 7'6' guy
whose name escapes me right now.See how little this all means in the
Pocy,You must be forgetting JJ O'Brian who Krispy made three
appointments to meet with him and his parents and blew them off all three times.
He went on to start at San Diego. Or the kid that went to Iowa State and was
name the Big 12 newcomer of the year. Krispy ran them both off and they were
better than anybody he had for the next two years. Washburn was a complete flop
until the last half of his senior year which was good enough to get him a job in
Riding the bench at Duke, or developing skills at BYU or Utah. The ego exceeded
Poor Roger. That's a story that's never going to die.Good
Chris has had a career he's proud of.
"Some players out of high school are way overrated."Exhibit
A - Jake Hypes
The Burgess dissin' the Y for Duke story didn't ruin my day when it
happened and his finding work in a field he evidently likes is a nice ending.I think more ought to be said about high school players who think that
they are pro potential and a couple of years at any college with a good program
will do until they are drafted and make big bucks. I think Mr. Burgess is
fortunate to be able to re-attend the U and find work in a field he evidently
likes. I am glad that he did find work in Europe as a professional athlete.Many are not so fortunate. It appears that many young men are used
(abused?) by NCAA football and basketball programs for short term gains but sold
out as to an education or some training for life beyond intercollegiate
athletics. See the UNC Chapel Hill mess about credit for non-existent ethnic
studies classes and the appalling fact that many - not all but more than one -
major college athlete is functionally illiterate. Even if they make the pro
leagues for a season or two.
As someone who cheers for the "other" team, I remember just laughing
when I heard about Roger Reid's "9 million members" comment years
ago. It just seemed so ridiculous at the time.However, I have to
think that if Coach Reid could take that statement back, he would.
brYou bet. I think the telling thing about Boylen at Utah is how
many players Krystkowiak kept who were recruited by Boylen. Most of the people
who left the program left because their schollies were not renewed. Boylen
struggled at identifying talent. He did a good job with Luke Nevill, and his
best recruit was Washburn. Outside of that his next best was Marshall
Henderson, who didn't quite work out. I liked Boylen and
wanted it to work out, but I am very happy with coach K and the direction Utah
I wonder if during some quiet moments Chris has asked the "WHAT IF?"
question. Ok, I'll stop, I don't want to get fired too.
Reid should never have made his comment. That said, Burgess had a chance to
help a rising BYU team gain more national prominence. There had not been as
many good LDS ball players, at least not as compared to today, so the thought of
BYU gaining national exposure was appealing to everyone, fans of BYU and sports
in general or not. And while that may or may not have been what Reid meant with
his comment he never should have said it, religious prejudices have no place in
society. Imagine if Dave Rose had made such a comment about Parker...while
Parker's presence at BYU would have made a huge difference he still was
allowed to choose for himself with no pressure from BYU on religious grounds.
As a BYU fan, I was certainly disappointed that Chris didn't choose BYU,
but I wasn't impressed with Roger Reid for saying what he did, inaccuracy
about the number of fans aside. And although I also didn't like *how* Reid
was fired, it was pretty apparent that he wasn't the coach to maximize the
potential of the BYU program. The furor that erupted over Chris revealing what
Reid had said to him was the excuse to finally make the coaching change. Shows
it's always wise to be careful about what you say and how you say it. By
the way, Mark Madsen is on record as well for saying that Reid said the same
thing to him. If Mark had publicized that when he chose Stanford, Reid might
well have been dismissed earlier. One other thing: A lot has been
made about Chris Burgess's dad being a BYU alum. However, his mom went to
To play basketball at Duke or BYU or Utah?Ummmm...Filet Mignon or
Reid basically lost his job over the Burgess incident and, unfortunately for
him, he had never recovered from it. Coaches all over the country, both
basketball and football say incredible and crazy things to try and get players
to come to their school. Reid was probably no exception. I feel sorry for him.
pocyUteThanks for the info! I guess his skills are more specialized.
He also didn't have much to work with and it seemed he had a pretty poor
attitude, but I'm sure he's happy to be where he is now.
Hatch, I think the issue was the implication by Roger Reid that every single
member of the LDS Church would be disappointed by Burgess' decision. That,
in turn, implied that every single member of the LDS Church is a BYU fan. Reid
didn't say, as you said above, that "many church members were
disappointed"....what he said, in effect, was that EVERY church member was
disappointed.Since over half of all church members live outside the
U.S., it's not a stretch to assume that a vast majority of them aren't
BYU fans because they don't follow American college sports or even know
what BYU is. And it may surprise you but there are church members - even some
in good standing - who are fans of other universities. I'm sure the church
members who are Duke fans (and there are many) weren't disappointed by
I'm a BYU alum and a Utah alum with degrees from both schools. I
wasn't let down or disappointed in Chris going to Duke instead of BYU. In
fact, he would have been unwise to pick a lesser program over the opportunity to
go to a perennial NCAA champion contender over a perennial Top 40-50 program.I do wonder though why his credits from Duke weren't accepted by
Utah. It would seem if that were to happen it would be the inverse. Best of luck to Chris and his family!
As a Cougar fan, I remember being bummed out that he did not come to BYU, but I
certainly did not blame him. Who wouldn't chose Duke over BYU? I do wish he would have had better years at Utah and avoided injuries, but it
sounds like he has a great perspective and is grateful that he got paid to play
basketball for 10 years.Nice article about what seems like a great
guy. Maybe he can coach BYU basketball in 10 years when Rose retires. jk U
FahrBoylen has spent most of his career in the pro ranks. He was
the bigs coach at Houston with Olajuwon and Barkley was also a coach with the
Warriors and the Bucks. All together about 13 years in the NBA. Realistically,
he is probably suited more the pro game than the college.
Sounds like Reid was upset for nothing, since Burgess' playing career was
rather nondescript. Some players out of high school are way overrated.
Agree with "imcrimson"--BYU is not the end all for all church members.
It was an ignorant response. And I'm very surprised that Boylen is the
Assistant Coach for the Spurs. His record at Utah definitely didn't earn
him that position. I wonder what he did for the two years in between.
Hatch "I could never understand why his parents got so upset at Roger Reid
for telling the truth. Many church members were disappointed when he choose Duke
over BYU". It was just BYU fans that were disappointed. Most of the 9
million members of the church (who aren't even Americans - much less BYU
basketball fans) didn't really care one way or the other. And many active
members of the church who root for other colleges that compete against the Y
were thrilled. Coach Reid was out of line with that comment.
While most BYU fans are good about keeping perspective, there are others who
equate their athletic teams with loyalty to the church. Chris Burgess had a
responsibility to make the best decision for himself and his family, not for
BYU. The reason Roger Reid received so much grief for his comments is that he
lost sight of this perspective. Even from an LDS viewpoint, there was nothing
superior about attending BYU than attending Duke.
I could never understand why his parents got so upset at Roger Reid for telling
the truth. Many church members were disappointed when he choose Duke over
BYU.Good to hear he is doing well and had a good time playing over
seas.Wish him the best. Who knows maybe in the future he
ends up at BYU. Stranger things have happened.