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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 15 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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one old man
Ogden, UT

An excellent letter, Mr. Ash. Thank you.

salt lake city, UT

Excellent letter! The solution to education funding is to have families pay a larger part of the costs. No state deductions past 2 children with the money being raised going back to education. Larger families simply do not pay their share and it's time they stop living off the back of drinkers and those having smaller or no families.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

First you have to define "under-funding". Unless we know a number that will make you happy... we don't know what we are talking about.

If you can give us that number... we will know if it's reasonable or not and if we can come up with an acceptable solution. Without that number... what chance do we have of satisfying you?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

RE "Larger families simply do not pay their share and it's time they stop living off the back of drinkers and those having smaller or no families"...


I'm OK with that, as long as you are OK with not benefiting from the taxes those children will pay in the next 50 years (to fund your retirment and to fund the government for the next generation).

People/families who contribute no children to work when you retire, and to help pay for the operation of the government for the next generation should actually pay MORE in taxes (because they aren't contributing any children to be the tax payers for the next 50 years).

Society and the Government will make hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes off each of my children over their life time. My children will pay back what we put into their education 10-fold in taxes over their lifetime.

So in a way... people who don't contribute any children to society... should be paying more in taxes (not families that produce the tax payers of the future).

Providence, UT

Ash is someone whose head is screwed on right, not just RIGHT. Good for Fred. Good for us. In a state that proclaims families first, LARGE families to be precise, children should be important enough to be educated as well as launched. Tomorrow's demands upon our offspring will be greater than any of us remembers being the case with us. It'll be education, education, education or struggle, struggle, struggle. Why, then, stop with bringing children into the world? Continue with REAL K-12 education, WELL-FUNDED K-12 education.

Have you been noticing the clues that we, in Utah, are not really committed to our children as thoroughly as we proclaim? Last in per-pupil funding among the 50 states and undercharging for resources extraction come to mind. Highest birth rate nationally and no limit on exemptions on state income taxes or graduated rates on state income taxes to cover the problem of too many kids, too little money to cover. Surely, you've noticed how uncommitted we are? Or am I wrong?

salt lake city, UT

RW Smith
You are 100% right.
2 bits-
I have kids and have paid for their education and saved enough for my retirement as well.
We have no idea how much your children will contribute towards society but we do know what cost the taxpayers are shelling out to pay for their education.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

I agree with the letter completely. Our legislature over the last decade have had a defeatest attitude towards education. Several years ago, I went to a legislator's meeting (at a wealthy persons home) in Utah County where he said that they were purposely going to starve public education of funds until the public became desperate enough to implement a voucher system (this was after the voters struck down the voucher law). I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He was declaring war on public education and was willing to hurt the futures of our school children in order to get what he wanted. Over the years, I have watched this very plan be slowly implemented. The feds could turn over all the land to Utah and it wouldn't make a bit of difference to education. They would just cut taxes and public education would still be trying to spin straw into gold.

Salt Lake City, UT

Proliferating school districts is squandering money.More overhead costs. Parental non-support and political interference are also major, major problems.BUT, the costs of poor education will be borne by all. Proper funding, good budgeting can make a big difference, as do good educational policies and practices which have been disappearing, unfortunately. Note the latest from the Federal Attorney General's office concerning discipline.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Indeed King's Court that a generation of students will be basically sacrificed for this war the GOP is waging on public education. Then I'm sure vouchers will come and save the day. But no war doesn't come with collateral damage and sacrifices for victory, including children, may be necessary to win this war...

Salt Lake City, Utah

2 Bits,

Your premise is great if you assume that all children of large families will not use other government resources such as federal grants, WIC, Chip, Welfare or the myriad of other services consumed by people. Your premise must also assume that children of large families do not end up in prison or other programs that siphon off tax dollars. If in fact any of these situations occur, your children will have cost a significant additional tax burden on society.

The logical solution is to pay for your child's education rather than have others who have fewer children pay for it. Big families provide as many burdens as they do benefits to society.

By the way my three children are all successful adults paying taxes and not draining the kids either, so shouldn't I have been able to pay the same for each of my children's education that a family of six was paying?

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