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Published: Monday, Jan. 13 2014 6:43 p.m. MST

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Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. Morgan, Spin the stats. 0.3% ?

There were more than 20,000 state and county delegates elected by the parties. According to the Lt. Gov. there are 1,484,255 voters in Utah and 1,264,666 are active voters. An "Inactive Voter" is a voter that has not voted in 2 regular general elections and has failed to respond to a notice sent to them by the county clerk.

If you take into account that 110,000 GOP voters attended the GOP Neighborhood Caucus Elections, out of 536,702 active GOP Voters, you realize that 20% of the active voters voted for the approx. 10,000 county and 4,000 state GOP delegates.

For the GOP alone, neighborhood election night attendance doubled in 2010 and again in 2012 exceeding 110,000 voters. Same Day Ballots approved for 2014 will help the hospital doctor and firefighter along with the military and missionary to vote at the meeting. Turnout can continue to grow, from the 20% registered GOP voters attending in 2012 to even higher with additional upgrades approved for 2014.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

It is ironic that the education establishment is suddenly in favor of direct primaries, since they have dominated the caucuses in recent years. Apparently, they believe that their power is being diluted by the riff-raff who show up at the caucuses and are disinclined to go along with "big-education's" agenda and delegate desires.

When you have mediocre former Governor Leavitt, rebuffed ex-Senator Bob Bennett, the big business and big-education, and media all in favor of this deceptive scheme, that is sufficient evidence it is NOT something aimed at empowering Utahns.

Instead, it will ensure that the powerful elites, and the media standing to profit from massive political advertising pick the winners and losers. And, thus diminish the votes of the hundreds of thousands of Utahns who pay close attention to political issues and candidates and instead depend on fooling low information voters to get their hand-picked cronies into office.

This petition drive should be seen as the poison it is and people should NOT sign it!

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

It is crucial that Utah Public Education continue to do amazingly well with the resources we have using great teachers, innovation, and technology.

Education in Utah must be and is a priority. With approx. 600,000 K-12 students in Utah, It takes a lot of commitment. Out of the $5 Billion total "State" funds we invest approx. $2.5 Billion to K-12 Public Education and approx. $750 Million to Higher Education. Even with $13 Billion to work with including "State" funds and also funds for Federal Programs and others, we invest $3.7 Billion to K-12 Public Education and $1.4 Billion for Higher Education.

With the currently available resources, Utah does not have enough money for the demands for Public Education, Transportation, Water, Public Safety, Energy and others. Raising Taxes isn't the answer as that can create bigger government and slower economic growth.

Teachers often do not have the supplies they need, and in most cases deserve more pay for the critical work they do. Education Funding is too complex and funding doesn't seem to make it to the classroom.

Leave it to Lisa
New Harmony, UT

As a delegate to the Washington County Republican Convention in 2010 and 2012 I can assure you I had more time to meet candidates than I would under a primary system. At the county convention I talked with every Republican running for office. They HAD to talk to interact with all of us because they needed our votes. Why would the candidates need to campaign for votes South of Santaquin or North of Ogden. There just aren't the population numbers to support it. So in the end rural Utah looses it's ability to have a credible say in who represents their interests. Look at who wants a primary system...it's the citizens who have the financial means to fund a statewide campaign. So much for 'citizen government'!

Linus
Bountiful, UT

The endorsement of the Utah Education Association (Utah's Teachers' Union) of the Count My Vote initiative is the very best evidence that the initiative must be killed. This liberal union is most certainly worried that the education lobby will not be able to reach and influence grass-roots candidates who emerge from grass-roots precinct activism. They need apathetic, bandwagon voters and career politicians whose principal priority will always be re-election. The Education lobby can depend upon the support of these establishment candidates in exchange for Teachers' Union endorsement.

danielbd
salt lake city, UT

My question is whose vote isn't getting counted??
Anyone can go to the caucus meeting and put their vote for the delegates. If the "count my vote" initiative is passed, it will actually dilute the votes of those in rural areas and others. It will increase campaign spending. The candidates, instead of spending their time and money with the delegates, will start huge expensive political campaigns ensuring that only the richest, most powerful, and dirty will win the elections.
The term "count my vote" is catchy, but very misleading. People don't realize that all they have to do to participate is to go to the caucus meetings. I am 27 years old, and I would venture to say that over half of my well educated friends don't even know about caucus meetings and have never been to one. I, for one, hope this "count my vote" does not pass.

E & EE
Ann arbor, MI

I agree with most of the commenters here. I didn't have much opinion on this before but seeing the education lobbies in favor of it made me skeptical. Your comments have cleared up the negative aspects of it as well. Too bad I don't vote in Utah anymore.

squirt
Taylorsville, ut

So very sad that these comments are slamming the educators who work so hard in our public schools. The same old anti-union message from people who are not educated about the work of the Association and whose only tactic is to spew anti-union rhetoric. Funny thing, this is a right to work state.

Brad Peterson
South Ogden, UT

"Anyone can go to the caucus meeting and put their vote for the delegates. "

No. Many people can't go. If you work, you are a mom and can't find a babysitter, your health doesn't allow it, you are out of town on a vacation, etc.

I'm one of these folks. I don't get a chance to be a delegate. I don't get a chance to learn who all the potential delegates are and vote for one.

I've been told "Well, don't vote. Just talk to your delegate and influence him". That's not a vote. And delegate votes are private at the convention. So even if I could get to vote for a delegate, I'd never have any way to confirm if my "representative" even represented me.

It's frustrating to hear people say that this process still somehow represents me, or that I'm better off not having a vote. No, I want my own vote.

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