RE: Rockwell and Duckhunter and RPIBYU's RPI isn't adding much
to the resume for Utah getting into the NCAA. Worse, it depends on BYU holding
onto that rating (far from certain). ESPN says BYU's only chance at an
NCAA bid is to win the WCC tournament, so that "top 40" RPI isn't
buying the Cougars much either.It's highly unlikely that Utah
wins the conference, so the Utes would have to win their tournament. Like
Rockwell correctly realized, tournament seeding is where beating OSU means more
than beating BYU.Utah isn't currently being looked at for an
at-large bid, despite beating #37-RPI-at-the-moment BYU. To get the attention
of the committee and an at-large bid, Utah will have to make quite a bit of
noise in conference play. Again, my point, every conference wins helps the Utes
more than that victory back in November.
@soonerute"You might consider OSU "lesser" than BYU, but
any conference win helps the Utes more than the thumping an old MWC rival.
That's true in football and basketball."First of all osu is
a lesser team but you are dead wrong in your claim that beating them is a helps
utah more. Basketball is all about getting into the ncaa tournament. Only one
team from each conference gets an automatic bid which means everyone else has to
depend on an at large bid. Beating a top 40 RPI BYU team does far more for utah
in any attempt to get an at large bid than beating a bad osu team does. You see
utah has zero chance of getting the pac12's automatic bid, and because of
their other than BYU awful ooc schedule they probably have zero chance of an at
large bid either, but if they are somehow on the borderline for an at large the
committee will give the win over BYU far more weight than beating oregon st. I know utah "fans" want to try to minimze BYU to help your
fragile egos but in this case you look ridiculous doing so.
SoonerUteNon-conference wins count every bit as much as conference
wins when the NCAA tournament selection committee starts counting up good
wins.#37 BYU is the ONLY RPI Top 100 team Utah has beaten this
seasonOregon State is only ranked #121Unlike football,
there aren't any automatic bowl tie-ins in basketball, so conference
standing is meaningless when it comes to Selection Sunday. Beating OSU might
help you secure a better seed in the PAC 12 tournament, but it won't help
you get an Big Dance invite.
talkinsports says "BYU may be the only decent win the Utes have all
season."It is fun to play an in-state team. As a sports fan, I enjoy
it. But only decent win? That was true until January 4, when Utah beat Oregon
State. You might consider OSU "lesser" than BYU, but any conference win
helps the Utes more than the thumping an old MWC rival. That's true in
football and basketball.
“I don’t really have an answer for it,’’ said forward
Jordan Loveridge.Since Loveridge missed those two shots at the end
of the Oregon game he has been content to let Taylor or Wright take/miss the
potential game winner.A lack of confidence in his shot at crunch
time?Just being a team guy at crunch time?
SoonerUteBYU may be the only decent win the Utes have all season.Who cares how close the games were, the Utes just lost two of their most
winnable conference games and in the process had perhaps their two most pathetic
performances of the season on offense, the second in a practically empty gym,
hardly what you'd consider an "intimidating" atmosphere.
"If Coach K knew what was best for the program he would not have allowed
such a horrible pre-season schedule. "Cut the guy a break - he has to
schedule BYU.Seriously though, you're being a quite dramatic.
3 losses by 2 points, 1 loss by 3 points. Can't get much closer than that.
If that is "false confidence and hype", what did Dave Rose do to BYU to
cause blowout losses?
I know the answer. Get better players.
If Coach K knew what was best for the program he would not have allowed such a
horrible pre-season schedule. This was probably the single most hurtful thing a
coach could do to his players. Instilling false confidence and hype does not
make a team battle ready and it showed this past weekend in Pullman. It was not
a fluke that they lost to WSU. It is(and always has been) the utah reality. Go
ahead and slap another PAC sticker on your cooler.
The coaching and the talent is there. They just need to loosen up and play. The
PAC 12 schedule is in their head. Go Runnin' Utes.
If the utes are searching for answers it lies in leaving the pac and joining the
Big Sky conference where they would be at least middle of the pack. Otherwise
it will just be there same from here on out in the mighty pac.
Maybe Utah bball should suit up gymnastics players - they're the best
athletes on campus.
Is thia a football or basketball article? I think it is one and the same, just
Everything is okay Chris B. The Utes managed to beat a BYU team that was
uncharacteristically weak that night. And beating BYU makes the entire Ute
season (in any sport) a success. Right?I think UoU 1991 has it
right. Playing 99% of the pre-season at home, and mostly cupcakes, only served
to foster a false sense of accomplishment.
UoU 1991At least one Utah fan has a realistic view of how little
playing the 351st worst pre-season schedule (dead last, btw) did to prepare Utah
to play a tough conference schedule.The Utes' weak pre-season
schedule and red hot start versus a cold-shooting BYU team simply fueled false
hopes that this was a much improved Utah team.As we saw in
Washington, that was only a pipe dream. The supposed "best
player in Utah" only managed a measly 14 points against the lowly Wazoo.
It's not that difficult to figure out. Utah simply isn't that great on
offense.Utah's season scoring average is grossly inflated by
those two 120+ point games against high school teams. Utah hasn't come
close to score 100 points against a team ranked in the Top 300.Against RPI Top 100 teams, the Utes are only averaging 70 ppg and that number
will decline even further when the Utes start playing teams like Arizona,
California, Colorado and UCLA. Against Washington the Utes only scored 57 points
and against lowly Washington St the Utes only scored 46 points.Utah
is quickly learning that it's not nearly as easy to shoot in foreign gyms
when you've spent the entire season playing in the friendly confines of the
Chris BCurrent PAC 12 RPI Rankings#6 Arizona#12
Colorado#25 Oregon#28 California#34 UCLA#52 Stanford#71 Arizona St#86 Washington#92 USC#124 Oregon St#134
Washington St#166 UtahUtah has already lost road games to two
of the three weakest PAC 12 teams on Utah's schedule and Utah doesn't
play Oregon St on the road. Every one of Utah's remaining road opponents is
ranked in the Top 100. #92 USC is the weakest road opponent left on Utah's
schedule.Chances are the Utes won't win a single road game this
season and a team that can't win on the road has absolutely no chance of
finishing in the upper half of the conference.Even if the Utes sweep
Oregon St, Washington St, Washington and USC at home, that still leaves the Utes
with only 4 conference wins.Regardless of how close Utah's
losses to Washington and Washington St were, those were two of the three most
winnable games left on Utah's schedule.Coach k may have the
program headed in the right direction, but the results of the last two games
clearly demonstrate that he left his team woefully unprepared to compete in
conference play this season.
UoU1991 - Its silly to suggest that the reason for a few very close losses is a
weak preseason. If Utah had scored another bucket or two would the reason we won
have been because we played a weak preseason? Every team loses some
close ones. They were tough, but don't act like its impossible to win
close games since we played a very bad out of conference schedule. Just need to
make a couple more plays. Stop panicking. This team is vastly improved over
anything we've seen in a number of years. I think coach K knows better
than you do what is best for this program. Go utes!
The obvious solution to Utah's offensive road woes is to play more than one
pre-season road game. How does coach krysto expect to develop any road toughness
in his team if all he plays is pre-season cupcakes at home?