@qwestBut do you know what my argument is? It is right and that is
all that matters. Considering utah's team is not really "young" it
means that whatever improvement they have shown is also fairly short lived
unless they get some actual "young" talent to replace it. You see many
of those guys won't be there long and once a player is gone then he no
longer counts. So "set the bar" wherever you want to set it, but most of
this particular group is not going to get you there. And by the way,
I'm not arguing that BYU's team is "young", just that they are
younger than utah's. Reading comprehension my friend....
@duckDo you know what isn't young? Your arguement is not
young. According to your definition, byu is an old team since almost all of
them played in high school together.I don't understand the
constant comparing of the two programs. Byu has been a good team for the last
decade. They won a handful of NCAA tournament games in that timeframe which has
been the best the program has ever done. Utah during that time has been bad.
The Utes are on their third coach during the Rose era and have been in a
rebuilding mode for a long time. I know it's scary to think that the Utes
have improved enough to compete with your mighty coogs but judging from the
close game down at the Marriott Center last year and the not so close win at the
Huntsman Center this year, it's safe to say they are just as good as byu
this year. The Utes aren't quite back to where need to be but
the bar is set higher for Utah's basketball program.
@motorbikeWell not to get caught up in verbiage but unfortunately
verbiage does matter. "Young" means young, mostly underclassmen would
qualify as young. But jr's and sr's aren't young although being
transfers it does make them inexperienced with the team. So if you want to claim
they are inexperienced playing together I'll go right along with you but as
I said they won't be there long enough to gain a lot of experience playing
with each other because they are not young. Young just doesn't apply in the
manner you want to use it. Inexperienced with each other fits better but they
have to overcome that quickly because time is extremely limited for them.
Duck,What you're saying is absolutely true... JC transfers or
any transfer for that matter, are guys brought in to make a difference now. I
agree whole heartedly. But what you're failing to see/admit, is that the
lack of playing time with their team still makes them "young" in regard
to experience and cohesiveness. So again I'll state that a team of
underclassmen and a couple of JC transfers are the very definition of a young
team.So you see, it's not me who's flustered or making things
up. Instead it is you who fails to admit what experts around the country admit
on a daily basis ... teams with a makeup similar to what Utah has this year are
correctly labeled a "young team."Now lets move on to a more
exciting conversation, this one bores me.
motorbike I obviously have flustered you, lol. And of course I am right. If you
only have two years to play then you don't have time to "be young".
What does a program expect out of a 4 year player? They expect him to be mistake
prone but to improve for those first two years because he is young and
inexperienced. Then they expect him to be much better as an upperclassman
because of those first two years of experience he gained.Of course
that is impossible with a JC transfer, they have to be ready to play NOW, and at
a high level because all they have is two years to do it, not four.
"Young" does not apply to them for several reasons, one is they
aren't young, they are upperclassmen, two is that they don't have time
for them to grow up, they only have two years.you pride yourself on
having some college basketball knowledge and I think you actually do. That is
why your post is so ridiculous. You KNOW I'm right about this you just cant
stand that I am right.
motorbikeOf the 8 Utah and 8 BYU players with the most minutes
played this season:6 were on Utah's roster last seasononly 4 were on BYU's roster last seasonUtah fans have been
using the same whiny, tired excuse of being young and inexperienced for years.
The reality is, that's nothing more than an excuse for losing.Programs like Kentucky are composed almost entirely of young, inexperienced
players who are new to the program, yet you don't hear Kentucky fans
whining about how young and inexperienced their team is.Re: the
BYU-Utah game this season, upsets happen. Congratulations on beating BYU for the
first time in the last 8 games and only the fourth time in 16 meetings during
the Dave Rose era. It's obviously a huge deal for our little brothers, but
on a national scale, practically meaningless, since that's the only quality
win you've had all season.Current RPI Rankings:#37
Motor,By every announcing crew do you mean PAC 11+1 announcers that are
paid by the pac? I thought so.We can discuss the Utah/BYU game this year
if you would like because it will likely bring up 11 of 13 discussion. So
please let's discuss.OK, never mind then.
Duckhunter"Young only counts if they have 4 seasons to improve,
it doesn't count when they only have 2 seasons and they are done."It's interesting that every tv crew calling a Utah game this year
has disagreed with you. As much as I *cough* value *cough* your opinion,
I'll respectfully disagree with your "spin." Two years of junior
college ball or one year at SUU does little to nothing for D1 experience and
certainly doesn't mean a guy will instantly play well with his new
teammates. In college athletics this situation coupled with a lot of
underclassmen is the very definition of a "young" team.By
the way, I don't believe we had a chance to discuss the Utah/BYU game yet.
You were saying??
@utesby5I don't think anyone is denying that utah basketball
has improved but at the same time the vast majority of the teams they have
played this year are among the worst teams in all of college basketball. In
years past they were losing to some of those terrible teams and this year they
beat them so the improvement, as it were, is obvious. But no one outside of a
utah "fan" really believes they are all that good either. They've
beaten one good team this year, that's it. They just lost to a really bad
team. They've been successful in slowing down the game against good teams
and hanging in with some ugly play but they cannot play anything that resembles
an uptempo interesting style against a good team and have a chance. They are
still a long way off.As for football, well their progression of more
losses each year indicates they are not improving. I'm not sure how anyone
can claim that with a straight face. 4-5 to 3-6 to 2-7 is NOT improvement.
Escuses aside that is an increase in the gap not a closing of the gap.
"This time next year Utah will be dominating in conference play because they
will be older they will have the experience in playing in a tough league and not
in highschool gyms."Over 12,000 empty red chairs came out to
watch the Utes on Sunday.And someone is smack talking H.S gyms...
USC is a real bad team. If Utah doesn't beat them it is going to be a long,
long season for the Utes.
I thought this was going to be about Brittany spears...oops I did it again. No seriously, I have real evidence that the ute players are throwing the
game on purpose to make money.
@Chamberlain:"Utah fans are fond of wishfully predicting that
success is just around the corner. Unfortunately for U, the actual results have
fallen far short of that fantasy."Moving to a major conferences
from the MWC has been difficult for TCU and Utah. It will take several years to
have the athletes and depth to compete for a conference championship. Utah has
improved in both sports, slowly. The depth and athletes are becoming PAC-12
quality, it takes time. TCU is making similar gains in the BIG 12.My
point was this, with the 2014 recruits coming in coupled with the progress being
made this season, I would be surprised if Utah doesn't finish in the top 4
or 5 PAC-12 teams next year. I'm not saying they will compete with Arizona
for the conference championship.FYI, Utah is 9 points from being
undefeated. I'm expecting them to be in every game this year with the
exception of maybe Arizona in Tucson and UCLA in LA. If you have watched the
Utes play this year, and you understand basketball, you would have to agree they
have made substantial progress.
@utesby5So your contention is that because utah finally won a game,
for the first time in 7 tries and only the 2nd time in 12 tries, that they are
suddenly superior in every way? Let's see if you stick to that same spin
next time BY beats utah in football after losing several in a row. LOL!
@motorbikeNice spin. Sorry to inform you of this but no matter how
young you want to claim those jr's and sr's are based on how long
they've been in the program they are still jr's and sr's that
won't be in the program for long. Young only counts if they have 4 seasons
to improve, it doesn't count when they only have 2 seasons and they are
done. They have to be good NOW not 2 years from now because they will be long
gone 2 years from now.
motorbikeUtah does have a young team, but BYU's is even younger
both in class and years with the program.
UtesBy5Utah fans are fond of wishfully predicting that success is
just around the corner. Unfortunately for U, the actual results have fallen far
short of that fantasy.4-5, 3-6, 2-7 in football3-15,
5-13, 1-3 in basketballKeep dreaming.
Utah's season is progressing fine. Utah's more athletic and much
deeper than in previous PAC-12 years. Their 2014 recruiting class is excellent.
They will only lose Lenz after this season. The Utes will continue to build and
should finish in the upper tier of the PAC-12 next season.The weak
preseason schedule is what this team needed this year. Focus on confidence and
cohesiveness has been achieved. I would hope in future years we have a few more
road games and schedule a few harder games.I like the type of
athletes that Coach Krystkowiak is recruiting. The PAC-12 teams have long,
athletic players and the Utes are beginning to fit that mold. Their defense is
much improved as well and with Delon Wright running the offense, ball movement
has improved this season. I like the direction.duckhunter, keep
telling yourself that byu lost to a "mediocre" team. Those that
witnessed the game saw a Utah team that was more athletic than byu dominate the
game from start to finish. But by all means, please continue to comment on Utah
articles and remind everyone of byu's strong preseason SOS. Too bad they
have to play in the WCC.
@jordanThat was a reasonable post, congratulations. utah has
improved but the win total is obviously deceiving based on their schedule.
Playing even a decent, not great, schedule utah is probably still a sub .500
team. BYU on the otherhand has played a great schedule thus far and despite the
upset loss to utah is still squarely in line for an ncaa at large berth as long
as they perform well the rest of the year. Their conference is rated in the top
1/3rd, their schedule is rated even higher, they have some good wins. They have
some "good" losses against some top 25 teams although they have a few
bad losses to, like the one to utah, against some mediocre teams that will
probably drag their seeding down. But overall BYU is still the obvious best team
in the state, even with the loss to utah, and is still the highest rated team in
the state but a long shot.
Crow"This time next year Utah will be dominating in conference
play because they will be older they will have the experience in playing in a
tough league..."Utah fans have been spouting this same tired
spin since Majerus left.Utah is 1-19 in PAC road games, 9-31
overall.You're obviously living under the delusion that Utah is
the only program in the PAC with a chance of improving and that the rest of the
league will remain stagnant.
TroyTown__________Your comment:Utah's key
players, those playing the majority of minutes, aren't all that
"young"Utah's Top 8 in Minutes PlayedJordan Loveridge
(SO)Delon Wright (JR)Brandon Taylor (SO)Dakarai Tucker (SO)Jeremy Olsen (SO)Renan Lenz (SR)Princeton Onwas (JR)Dallin
Bachynski (JR)1 SR, 3 JR, 4 SO, 0 FR (avg 2.625 years)__________________FYI ... When someone says "young team"
in relation to college athletics it is implied that they haven't been with
the program very long and/or they are underclassmen. With that in
mind you may want to go back through the list and notice that not one of them
has played with the Utes for more than a season and a half:Jordan
Loveridge (SO)- 2nd year with UtesDelon Wright (JR) - 1st year with
UtesBrandon Taylor (SO) - 2nd year with UtesDakarai Tucker (SO) -
2nd year with UtesJeremy Olsen (SO) - 2nd year with UtesRenan Lenz
(SR) - 2nd year with UtesPrinceton Onwas (JR) - 1st year with UtesDallin Bachynski (JR) - 2nd year with UtesThat's a young team
Crow,So when you saw dominate are you talking about winning one road game?
That would be an improvement over the last three seasons
Gone fishin, I beg to differ on that last comment. There are as many BYU fans
who are that "fickle" as any other fan. I don't think we will be
dominating next year, however i am excited to see the continued improvement
we've been seeing with Coach Krystco at the helm so far, plus our main
players having another year of experience under their belt. Plus, from what
I've seen, the ooc scheduling is much better next season. Either way, I'm still excited for what the Utes will do this season,
hopefully they can get over the hump on the road and learn how to take and make
decent shots down the stretch (the offense was horrendous in the second half).
I'm still excited to go watch my team!Go Utes!
There are a good many high school gyms in the mighty pac Mr. Crow.
Elmer Fudd#38 BYU was quite obviously a huge upset win for the #166
Utes - Utah's ONLY Top 100 win of the season.Like Utah beating
Stanford and BYU in football, it won't mean anything by season's end
because the Utes will once again be left on the outside looking in at the post
@ Real Bass"This is what happens when you play cupcakes at home.
You aren't prepared when the real games come. You can't pad your way
into success!"So I guess you could throw BYU into that category
of cupcakes. Apparently the Cougies were an easy win.
Crow"Utah is just young and are learning to play on the
road."LOL at your delusion! The Utes have only
played THREE road games (only one OOC) all season and played the 350th worst
preseason schedule in the country. How did you expect the Utes to learn how to
play tough teams on the road when you only played ONE such team in the first
three months of the season?Utah's key players, those playing
the majority of minutes, aren't all that "young"Utah's Top 8 in Minutes PlayedJordan Loveridge (SO)Delon
Wright (JR)Brandon Taylor (SO)Dakarai Tucker (SO)Jeremy Olsen
(SO)Renan Lenz (SR)Princeton Onwas (JR)Dallin Bachynski
(JR)1 SR, 3 JR, 4 SO, 0 FR (avg 2.625 years)BYU's
Top 8 in Minutes PlayedKyle Collinsworth (SO)Tyler Haws (JR)Matt Carlino (JR)Nate Austin (JR)Eric Mika (FR)Skyler
Halford (JR)Frank Bartley IV (FR)Anson Winder (JR)0 SR,
5 JR, 1 SO, 2 FR (avg 2.375 years)BYU doesn't have a single
Senior on their roster
I'm not sure why people are thinking a .500 season would get an NIT invite.
Have any of you looked at the records of those teams from last year's NIT?
Not gonna cut it-- no matter what conference you're in.
Crow,Here you go again, predicting that the utes will dominate the pac.
You must be chris b. #2 reincarnated.By the way BYU also happens to be
pretty young. I guess that means that they will dominate their conference? BYU
fans are not that fickle to make such irrational predictions.
@crow"This time next year Utah will be dominating in conference
play"LOL! I can't wait to see that.
@Real Bass actually the schedule that Majerus put together in 98 was almost as
bad. In fact I remember a lot of the experts saying that Utah would not go far
because of their strentgh of schedule after they had won 18 straight but lost a
couple of games including in the WAC tourney that year. If your a
good team your schedule does not matter. Utah is just young and are learning to
play on the road. This time next year Utah will be dominating in conference play
because they will be older they will have the experience in playing in a tough
league and not in highschool gyms.
Hey Friel Court is a tough place to play.
Utah's confidence probably isn't hurting to bad the way they have lost
their games this year. This 3-point loss is the largest margin so far. Utah
will have a tough time winning on the road. They SHOULD beat both Washington
and WSU when they come to town, likely play to around .500 ball and get an
invite to a post season event such as the NIT.
This is what happens when you play cupcakes at home. You aren't prepared
when the real games come. You can't pad your way into success!
We are dang competetive on the road and battle good because we are a awsome road
team. We are going to go far in the big dance.Go Utes!
Basketball is doing their best football impression. Come one guys, get over that
29.5% shooting at Washington St for the #1 FG% team in the county says it
all.The results of playing the 350th worst preseason schedule
entirely at home, save one game, are coming back to haunt the Utes.Just as many predicted before the season began, playing such a cupcake
preseason schedule left the Utes completely unprepared for conference play,
especially on the road.If the Utes don't pick up a win against
USC at home this week, the Utes could easily go 0 for the rest of the
conference. Utah's game at USC may be Utah's only remaining chance to
pick up a road win this season.