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Published: Sunday, Jan. 12 2014 11:15 p.m. MST

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Chamberlain
Salt Lake City, UT

UtesBy5

Utah fans are fond of wishfully predicting that success is just around the corner. Unfortunately for U, the actual results have fallen far short of that fantasy.

4-5, 3-6, 2-7 in football

3-15, 5-13, 1-3 in basketball

Keep dreaming.

Chamberlain
Salt Lake City, UT

motorbike

Utah does have a young team, but BYU's is even younger both in class and years with the program.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

Nice spin. Sorry to inform you of this but no matter how young you want to claim those jr's and sr's are based on how long they've been in the program they are still jr's and sr's that won't be in the program for long. Young only counts if they have 4 seasons to improve, it doesn't count when they only have 2 seasons and they are done. They have to be good NOW not 2 years from now because they will be long gone 2 years from now.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@utesby5

So your contention is that because utah finally won a game, for the first time in 7 tries and only the 2nd time in 12 tries, that they are suddenly superior in every way? Let's see if you stick to that same spin next time BY beats utah in football after losing several in a row.

LOL!

UtesBy5
Syracuse, UT

@Chamberlain:

"Utah fans are fond of wishfully predicting that success is just around the corner. Unfortunately for U, the actual results have fallen far short of that fantasy."

Moving to a major conferences from the MWC has been difficult for TCU and Utah. It will take several years to have the athletes and depth to compete for a conference championship. Utah has improved in both sports, slowly. The depth and athletes are becoming PAC-12 quality, it takes time. TCU is making similar gains in the BIG 12.

My point was this, with the 2014 recruits coming in coupled with the progress being made this season, I would be surprised if Utah doesn't finish in the top 4 or 5 PAC-12 teams next year. I'm not saying they will compete with Arizona for the conference championship.

FYI, Utah is 9 points from being undefeated. I'm expecting them to be in every game this year with the exception of maybe Arizona in Tucson and UCLA in LA. If you have watched the Utes play this year, and you understand basketball, you would have to agree they have made substantial progress.

CougarSunDevil
Phoenix, AZ

I thought this was going to be about Brittany spears...oops I did it again.

No seriously, I have real evidence that the ute players are throwing the game on purpose to make money.

CougOrUte..Naah
Nibley, UT

USC is a real bad team. If Utah doesn't beat them it is going to be a long, long season for the Utes.

sammyg
Springville, UT

"This time next year Utah will be dominating in conference play because they will be older they will have the experience in playing in a tough league and not in highschool gyms."

Over 12,000 empty red chairs came out to watch the Utes on Sunday.

And someone is smack talking H.S gyms... priceless.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@utesby5

I don't think anyone is denying that utah basketball has improved but at the same time the vast majority of the teams they have played this year are among the worst teams in all of college basketball. In years past they were losing to some of those terrible teams and this year they beat them so the improvement, as it were, is obvious. But no one outside of a utah "fan" really believes they are all that good either. They've beaten one good team this year, that's it. They just lost to a really bad team. They've been successful in slowing down the game against good teams and hanging in with some ugly play but they cannot play anything that resembles an uptempo interesting style against a good team and have a chance. They are still a long way off.

As for football, well their progression of more losses each year indicates they are not improving. I'm not sure how anyone can claim that with a straight face. 4-5 to 3-6 to 2-7 is NOT improvement. Escuses aside that is an increase in the gap not a closing of the gap.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter

"Young only counts if they have 4 seasons to improve, it doesn't count when they only have 2 seasons and they are done."

It's interesting that every tv crew calling a Utah game this year has disagreed with you. As much as I *cough* value *cough* your opinion, I'll respectfully disagree with your "spin." Two years of junior college ball or one year at SUU does little to nothing for D1 experience and certainly doesn't mean a guy will instantly play well with his new teammates. In college athletics this situation coupled with a lot of underclassmen is the very definition of a "young" team.

By the way, I don't believe we had a chance to discuss the Utah/BYU game yet. You were saying??

Gone fishin
Seattle, WA

Motor,
By every announcing crew do you mean PAC 11+1 announcers that are paid by the pac? I thought so.
We can discuss the Utah/BYU game this year if you would like because it will likely bring up 11 of 13 discussion. So please let's discuss.
OK, never mind then.

Utes-Best Lil Brothers
Anaheim, CA

motorbike

Of the 8 Utah and 8 BYU players with the most minutes played this season:

6 were on Utah's roster last season

only 4 were on BYU's roster last season

Utah fans have been using the same whiny, tired excuse of being young and inexperienced for years. The reality is, that's nothing more than an excuse for losing.

Programs like Kentucky are composed almost entirely of young, inexperienced players who are new to the program, yet you don't hear Kentucky fans whining about how young and inexperienced their team is.

Re: the BYU-Utah game this season, upsets happen. Congratulations on beating BYU for the first time in the last 8 games and only the fourth time in 16 meetings during the Dave Rose era. It's obviously a huge deal for our little brothers, but on a national scale, practically meaningless, since that's the only quality win you've had all season.

Current RPI Rankings:

#37 BYU
#166 Utah

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

motorbike I obviously have flustered you, lol. And of course I am right. If you only have two years to play then you don't have time to "be young". What does a program expect out of a 4 year player? They expect him to be mistake prone but to improve for those first two years because he is young and inexperienced. Then they expect him to be much better as an upperclassman because of those first two years of experience he gained.

Of course that is impossible with a JC transfer, they have to be ready to play NOW, and at a high level because all they have is two years to do it, not four. "Young" does not apply to them for several reasons, one is they aren't young, they are upperclassmen, two is that they don't have time for them to grow up, they only have two years.

you pride yourself on having some college basketball knowledge and I think you actually do. That is why your post is so ridiculous. You KNOW I'm right about this you just cant stand that I am right.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duck,

What you're saying is absolutely true... JC transfers or any transfer for that matter, are guys brought in to make a difference now. I agree whole heartedly. But what you're failing to see/admit, is that the lack of playing time with their team still makes them "young" in regard to experience and cohesiveness. So again I'll state that a team of underclassmen and a couple of JC transfers are the very definition of a young team.
So you see, it's not me who's flustered or making things up. Instead it is you who fails to admit what experts around the country admit on a daily basis ... teams with a makeup similar to what Utah has this year are correctly labeled a "young team."
Now lets move on to a more exciting conversation, this one bores me.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

Well not to get caught up in verbiage but unfortunately verbiage does matter. "Young" means young, mostly underclassmen would qualify as young. But jr's and sr's aren't young although being transfers it does make them inexperienced with the team. So if you want to claim they are inexperienced playing together I'll go right along with you but as I said they won't be there long enough to gain a lot of experience playing with each other because they are not young. Young just doesn't apply in the manner you want to use it. Inexperienced with each other fits better but they have to overcome that quickly because time is extremely limited for them.

Qwest Perfected
Salt Lake City, UT

@duck

Do you know what isn't young? Your arguement is not young. According to your definition, byu is an old team since almost all of them played in high school together.

I don't understand the constant comparing of the two programs. Byu has been a good team for the last decade. They won a handful of NCAA tournament games in that timeframe which has been the best the program has ever done. Utah during that time has been bad. The Utes are on their third coach during the Rose era and have been in a rebuilding mode for a long time. I know it's scary to think that the Utes have improved enough to compete with your mighty coogs but judging from the close game down at the Marriott Center last year and the not so close win at the Huntsman Center this year, it's safe to say they are just as good as byu this year.

The Utes aren't quite back to where need to be but the bar is set higher for Utah's basketball program.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@qwest

But do you know what my argument is? It is right and that is all that matters. Considering utah's team is not really "young" it means that whatever improvement they have shown is also fairly short lived unless they get some actual "young" talent to replace it. You see many of those guys won't be there long and once a player is gone then he no longer counts. So "set the bar" wherever you want to set it, but most of this particular group is not going to get you there.

And by the way, I'm not arguing that BYU's team is "young", just that they are younger than utah's. Reading comprehension my friend....

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