I for one am getting tired of Israel trying to control America's foreign
policy objectives, and I'm also tired of Charles Krauthammer making excuses
for them. If Israel wants to have a say-so in our foreign policy, they can hold
a constitutional convention, apply for statehood, and then pay taxes towards the
Federal Government. Then they can have a voice.
"Palestinian-Israeli peace will only be possible when Palestinian parents
love their children more than they hate the Jews."What a
comment. If you had any experience in this part of the world you would
understand just how wrong this statement is. This is not an issue of parents
loving their children. Just as the saints lost 2 in 5 children coming to the
new zion, they made that sacrifice because they thought they were trying to move
toward something that was a greater good.The problem is not that
these parents love their children any less they you do.... but that they feel
their children have less hope of achieving anything in this life because of
their current condition... (which I don't agree with). But they see their
kids having little hope, so an early death (martyrdome)gets them greater reward.
It is not because they don't live them, but because they do love them. In
a western context, me being part of that westerness, if feels twisted. But when
you don't have hope... you hate to see your kids raised in that condition.
Re 2 bitsPlease amplify your thoughtsIs it possible for
a Palestinian family to buy and live in one of the new 1400 new subsidized units
that the Israeli government is going to build?My thought they can
not. I feel this is similar to the black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods
of the 40's and 50's.How about the settler only highways
which Palestinians are not allowed to drive on.Are Palestinian and
Jewish people treated the same at check points?May I suggest you
google the term "payback" in regard to settler behavior.
Palestinian-Israeli peace will only be possible when Palestinian parents love
their children more than they hate the Jews.For those who refer to
Israel as a conquered land, why do the Palestinians still have the keys to their
houses? Go read many sites about how and why Palestinians left. The real story
is the only one that makes sense of them still having the keys to their homes.
Jewish people bought homes, and lived among the Palestinians, as neighbors. It
was friendly and neighborly. Then the Muslim nations around the region got
nervous that there was too many Jewish people and they might wield some
influence. Palestinian people were told to lock their homes and leave so the
Jewish people could be to be purged out and destroyed, and then they were
supposed to go back and claim everything. Only problem, their side lost, so they
couldn't go back. They had left their Jewish neighbors to be destroyed by
'friends of the Palestinians'. How could the Jewish people ever trust
them? They couldn't. And all those great neighboring countries,
who were heavily involved in making this mess, refused to take the refugees in
any of their countries.
Re 2 bitsWhat is your thought on the comment "Zionism is
racism". When one group maintains they are "the chosen
race." Do they feel they are better than other races?Look what
happened to the Germans and their concept of their superiority.Who
was the influential Rabbi who recently passed away who said "Gentiles are
here to serve us"?
When Palestinians, Arabs, Egyptians, Syrians,etc, start dealing better with each
other within their respective countries and intra-national groups(viz. Sunni vs.
Shia), even; Only then there will be hope for peace in the Middle East.
airnaut,You can be of Jewish decent and anti-Israeli views. Having Jewish
heritage in your family line does not guarantee you won't have this Leftist
outlook on the plight of the people in Israel. You can laugh... but your
heritage does not guarantee you can't be anti-Semitic or that you are any
more "right" than Krauthammer or any other person.===Iron Rod,As for comparing Israel to an Apatheid Regime (something
I heard the left was pushing this week)... No... I do not think your comparison
of the blacks in the South in the 1940's and 195o's is the same as the
treatment of the Palestinians today in the occupied land.Read the
history of Israel (in Wikipedia if you only have a minute). Google
"Israeli-Palestinian conflict" and read (no.. don't just
regurgitate what you hear on MSNBC).You will learn that the
"Israeli-Palestinian conflict" is really the "Arab–Israeli
conflict". Palestinians and Israelis used to live together and get
along... until Hamas, Fatah, Alqaeda, and other Muslim Resistance terrorist
groups took over control of the Palestinian territories.===There is more to this than you get on MSNBC. Study the real history.
RE 2 bitsWhat are your thoughts of Israel as a Apartheid Regime?Does my comparison of the blacks in the South in the 1940's and
195o's compare to the treatment of the Palestinians today in the occupied
@2bits1. Me? Anti-Semaitc? ha-ha-ha!Look, I just said I am
Jewish, but that is my lineage, my family -- it does not make me an Isaeli.I am an American.and that is were Krauthammer and I are at odds. 2. Palestians living in Israel are Israelis, once again - Krauthammer
misses the mark and shows his true colors.3. Israel is supposed to
be a secular Democracy. Like the United States they have Declared their
Independance [The Knesset], but UN-like the United States, they have not
yet ratified a Constitution.They remain a Quasi-para-Military parliment,
with quasi-Martial Law, operating under "Basic Laws" which are not set
in stone, and change all the time.Ratifying a Constitution would
mean locking everyting down, and would also mean disolving the
"Occupied" territories, and could then establish a Palestian State
-- something Israel has refused to do since 1947.
Open Minded,It would really help if you didn't always see people as
their label. Then you wouldn't have to worry about... is he an
"Israeli" or an "American", or a "White" or a
"Black", a "Red" or a "Blue", etc.... If you could
address what he said (regardless of the label)... we may understand why you
think he's "Wrong".I agree with what he said. But I
could be wrong. But I refuse to dismiss him, just because he's a Jew.===We really need to get to the bottom of why the
radical-left hates Israel. Is it just the religious thing (like the poster
earlier this week said)? Is it because they refuse to be pushed around by their
neighbors and have their civilians killed by random rockets from their
neighbors? Is it the settlements on disputed land? What is it?I
think I'm out of comments now so I can't respond. But I'd
really like to know what it is that makes academics and the left-fringe so
anti-Semitic.They usually have an open heart for refugees (like
refugees from Somalia, Darfur, etc).... just not these WWII refugees. Why?
"You discriminate against Israelis? Fine. Include us out. We will have
nothing to do with you."========== I question his
alligence...Is he an Israeli, oran American?
Open Minded Mormon,So tell us WHY he's "wrong"...Is he "wrong"... just becasue he's a Jew?Is he
"wrong" because YOU are a Jew (and therefor know that he is
"wrong")?Give us some specifics from his article that you
can prove or at least show some logic that indicates they are "wrong".
Not just your blanket statement that "because he's a Jew... he's
automatically "Wrong".====I don't think
being a Jew automatically means you can't have a valid opinion.If you are going to dismiss Charles... at least tell us why (and I hope
it's more than becasue he's a Jew).At least address what
he said (not just his linage, his ancestry, his religion)!
@2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTOf course Open Minded Mormon feels this
way... He's a Leftist!========= Surprise - I'm
also Jewish.[LDS by faith, Jewish by ancestry.]Charles is
Of course Open Minded Mormon feels this way... He's a Leftist!I'm not Jewish, and I understand what Charles is saying and agree with
much of what he said. Don't just attack him for his nationality or his
religion. If you're going to dismiss him, at least point out what he said
that was incorrect. Don't just dismiss him for his nationality or his
religion.===Last week some left leaning posters said the
answer to all our problems in the middle-east was... "America must become
totally neutral on Israel" (meaning throw them under the bus and let what
happens happen when their Arab neighbors get nukes).I asked why the
left has such a problem with Israel and the poster said because of the religious
involvement. His premise being that evangelicals did it (not true THE UN did
it) and evangelicals placed Jews there (hint, Jews were already there, since
about 1500 BCE) and bulldozed out the Palestinians (not true at the time, border
issues now, but not back then).I'm wondering if these leftists
would be so anti any other group of refugees (IF there was any religious angle
Of course Charles feels this way, he's Jewish!
The problem as I see it is that the non Jewish Arabs in Israel are treated as
the blacks in the South in the 1940's and 1950's.Some
people see modern day Israel as an apartheid regime.This is the
reason why the Israel Boycott movement is growing and rightfully so. It is not
only the American Studies Association many countries in Europe are boycotting
produce grown in the occupied lands. Retirement funds are cutting ties with
Israeli banks that support the occupation of lands.Recently the
Israeli government announced that it is building 1400 new apartments. What
would happen if a Palestine family wanted to live in that settlement? Do you
think they would be allowed to live there? Or is it for Jewish people only.
Sound like the South? Segregated housing.There are new highways
connecting the settlements that Palestinians are not allowed to drive on.Does that sound like the south in the 1940's to you.Unequal
law enforcement. I've seen video's of the settlers throwing rocks at
locals while the IDG stands by and when they respond back the IDF gasses them
Israel has goaded Palestinians into terrorism, much as Jewish Irgun terrorists
bombed the King David Hotel in 1948 killing dozens of innocents. However, the
Irgun were called freedom fighters, not terrorists. Palestinians would probably
act rationally if:They had a homeland.Israel did not build on
conquered land.Israel shared water rights and granted air space
sovereignty.There was some restitution for Arab land that was confiscated
in 1948.Th Ultra Orthodox did not have a disproportionate voice in Israeli
government decisions.If Israel wanted peace, they could make all
So charles can write about something other than Obama... very refreshing.
Here is the problem with this article.... in the beginning Charles asks why ASA
is boycotting Israel while not doing so to places like Syria or Iran - making is
sound like ASA has relationships with these offensive regimes.Charles.... this would all be good and great if for one thing. ASA has no
relationship with these countries. If fact they don't support any academic
journals in the region period. The only one on the African continent they do
support is out of South Africa. Not Libya. Not Egypt. None of the Arab
counties. Nothing in Palestine. Not Iran. Not Iraq. Not Syria.So
Charles, I congratulate you for taking your eye off the Obama ball for one week.
I actually do agree with questioning ASA's motives and methods. But
please..... keep the over emotional non-fact based arguments in check. But then
again, that is what you do. Facts have little to with Charles... and this is a
good cause. If you can't use facts to make your argument... do more
research.... do make up emotional rhetoric. It discredits a good question you
I have no issue supporting Israel as an ally, the same way we support other
allies.What troubles me is that the "support" seems to be
skewed by the whole Christian concept of Israel being the "promise
Charles Krauthammer, excellent. Thank you.
The story of the Jewish people is long, complicated and with a lot of
tragedy.What happened in WWII is unspeakably horrible, yet it lives
on in how the psychological damage has twisted many Jews into great
rationalization of their actions after WWII.This column by
Krauthammer is impressive in its eloquence and it shows how articulate
Krauthammer can be in his advocacy, but it also reveals just how impressively he
can tell only one side of a story, while pretending there are no other valid
opinions or perspectives. Interestingly, this column also confirms
why Krauthammer's views on Obama have become so predictable and, really,
meaningless. There is no balance, no pretense of objectivity, no attempt to
consider alternative viewpoints, just vitriol and a volcanic eruption of
seething anger. (For those of you who dislike Obama but are not so
interested in the Middle East, Krauthammer's views on Israel and the Middle
East are highly, highly unbalanced.)I feel sorry for Krauthammer.
He has become the proverbial angry old man who screams at children for playing
on his lawn.