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Published: Sunday, Jan. 12 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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10CC
Bountiful, UT

The story of the Jewish people is long, complicated and with a lot of tragedy.

What happened in WWII is unspeakably horrible, yet it lives on in how the psychological damage has twisted many Jews into great rationalization of their actions after WWII.

This column by Krauthammer is impressive in its eloquence and it shows how articulate Krauthammer can be in his advocacy, but it also reveals just how impressively he can tell only one side of a story, while pretending there are no other valid opinions or perspectives.

Interestingly, this column also confirms why Krauthammer's views on Obama have become so predictable and, really, meaningless. There is no balance, no pretense of objectivity, no attempt to consider alternative viewpoints, just vitriol and a volcanic eruption of seething anger.

(For those of you who dislike Obama but are not so interested in the Middle East, Krauthammer's views on Israel and the Middle East are highly, highly unbalanced.)

I feel sorry for Krauthammer. He has become the proverbial angry old man who screams at children for playing on his lawn.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Charles Krauthammer, excellent. Thank you.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

I have no issue supporting Israel as an ally, the same way we support other allies.

What troubles me is that the "support" seems to be skewed by the whole Christian concept of Israel being the "promise land".

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

So charles can write about something other than Obama... very refreshing. Here is the problem with this article.... in the beginning Charles asks why ASA is boycotting Israel while not doing so to places like Syria or Iran - making is sound like ASA has relationships with these offensive regimes.

Charles.... this would all be good and great if for one thing. ASA has no relationship with these countries. If fact they don't support any academic journals in the region period. The only one on the African continent they do support is out of South Africa. Not Libya. Not Egypt. None of the Arab counties. Nothing in Palestine. Not Iran. Not Iraq. Not Syria.

So Charles, I congratulate you for taking your eye off the Obama ball for one week. I actually do agree with questioning ASA's motives and methods. But please..... keep the over emotional non-fact based arguments in check. But then again, that is what you do. Facts have little to with Charles... and this is a good cause. If you can't use facts to make your argument... do more research.... do make up emotional rhetoric. It discredits a good question you raise.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

Israel has goaded Palestinians into terrorism, much as Jewish Irgun terrorists bombed the King David Hotel in 1948 killing dozens of innocents. However, the Irgun were called freedom fighters, not terrorists. Palestinians would probably act rationally if:
They had a homeland.
Israel did not build on conquered land.
Israel shared water rights and granted air space sovereignty.
There was some restitution for Arab land that was confiscated in 1948.
Th Ultra Orthodox did not have a disproportionate voice in Israeli government decisions.

If Israel wanted peace, they could make all these happen.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

The problem as I see it is that the non Jewish Arabs in Israel are treated as the blacks in the South in the 1940's and 1950's.

Some people see modern day Israel as an apartheid regime.

This is the reason why the Israel Boycott movement is growing and rightfully so. It is not only the American Studies Association many countries in Europe are boycotting produce grown in the occupied lands. Retirement funds are cutting ties with Israeli banks that support the occupation of lands.

Recently the Israeli government announced that it is building 1400 new apartments. What would happen if a Palestine family wanted to live in that settlement? Do you think they would be allowed to live there? Or is it for Jewish people only. Sound like the South? Segregated housing.

There are new highways connecting the settlements that Palestinians are not allowed to drive on.
Does that sound like the south in the 1940's to you.

Unequal law enforcement. I've seen video's of the settlers throwing rocks at locals while the IDG stands by and when they respond back the IDF gasses them

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Of course Charles feels this way, he's Jewish!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Of course Open Minded Mormon feels this way... He's a Leftist!

I'm not Jewish, and I understand what Charles is saying and agree with much of what he said. Don't just attack him for his nationality or his religion. If you're going to dismiss him, at least point out what he said that was incorrect. Don't just dismiss him for his nationality or his religion.

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Last week some left leaning posters said the answer to all our problems in the middle-east was... "America must become totally neutral on Israel" (meaning throw them under the bus and let what happens happen when their Arab neighbors get nukes).

I asked why the left has such a problem with Israel and the poster said because of the religious involvement. His premise being that evangelicals did it (not true THE UN did it) and evangelicals placed Jews there (hint, Jews were already there, since about 1500 BCE) and bulldozed out the Palestinians (not true at the time, border issues now, but not back then).

I'm wondering if these leftists would be so anti any other group of refugees (IF there was any religious angle to it)?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT
Of course Open Minded Mormon feels this way... He's a Leftist!

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Surprise - I'm also Jewish.
[LDS by faith, Jewish by ancestry.]

Charles is still wrong.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Open Minded Mormon,
So tell us WHY he's "wrong"...

Is he "wrong"... just becasue he's a Jew?

Is he "wrong" because YOU are a Jew (and therefor know that he is "wrong")?

Give us some specifics from his article that you can prove or at least show some logic that indicates they are "wrong". Not just your blanket statement that "because he's a Jew... he's automatically "Wrong".

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I don't think being a Jew automatically means you can't have a valid opinion.

If you are going to dismiss Charles... at least tell us why (and I hope it's more than becasue he's a Jew).

At least address what he said (not just his linage, his ancestry, his religion)!

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

"You discriminate against Israelis? Fine. Include us out. We will have nothing to do with you."

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I question his alligence...

Is he an Israeli,
or
an American?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Open Minded,
It would really help if you didn't always see people as their label. Then you wouldn't have to worry about... is he an "Israeli" or an "American", or a "White" or a "Black", a "Red" or a "Blue", etc.... If you could address what he said (regardless of the label)... we may understand why you think he's "Wrong".

I agree with what he said. But I could be wrong. But I refuse to dismiss him, just because he's a Jew.

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We really need to get to the bottom of why the radical-left hates Israel. Is it just the religious thing (like the poster earlier this week said)? Is it because they refuse to be pushed around by their neighbors and have their civilians killed by random rockets from their neighbors? Is it the settlements on disputed land? What is it?

I think I'm out of comments now so I can't respond. But I'd really like to know what it is that makes academics and the left-fringe so anti-Semitic.

They usually have an open heart for refugees (like refugees from Somalia, Darfur, etc).... just not these WWII refugees. Why?

airnaut
Everett, 00

@2bits

1. Me? Anti-Semaitc? ha-ha-ha!
Look, I just said I am Jewish, but that is my lineage, my family -- it does not make me an Isaeli.
I am an American.
and that is were Krauthammer and I are at odds.

2. Palestians living in Israel are Israelis, once again - Krauthammer misses the mark and shows his true colors.

3. Israel is supposed to be a secular Democracy.
Like the United States they have Declared their Independance [The Knesset],
but UN-like the United States, they have not yet ratified a Constitution.
They remain a Quasi-para-Military parliment, with quasi-Martial Law, operating under "Basic Laws" which are not set in stone, and change all the time.

Ratifying a Constitution would mean locking everyting down,
and would also mean disolving the "Occupied" territories,
and could then establish a Palestian State -- something Israel has refused to do since 1947.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

RE 2 bits

What are your thoughts of Israel as a Apartheid Regime?

Does my comparison of the blacks in the South in the 1940's and 195o's compare to the treatment of the Palestinians today in the occupied lands?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

airnaut,
You can be of Jewish decent and anti-Israeli views. Having Jewish heritage in your family line does not guarantee you won't have this Leftist outlook on the plight of the people in Israel. You can laugh... but your heritage does not guarantee you can't be anti-Semitic or that you are any more "right" than Krauthammer or any other person.

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Iron Rod,
As for comparing Israel to an Apatheid Regime (something I heard the left was pushing this week)... No... I do not think your comparison of the blacks in the South in the 1940's and 195o's is the same as the treatment of the Palestinians today in the occupied land.

Read the history of Israel (in Wikipedia if you only have a minute).

Google "Israeli-Palestinian conflict" and read (no.. don't just regurgitate what you hear on MSNBC).

You will learn that the "Israeli-Palestinian conflict" is really the "Arab–Israeli conflict". Palestinians and Israelis used to live together and get along... until Hamas, Fatah, Alqaeda, and other Muslim Resistance terrorist groups took over control of the Palestinian territories.

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There is more to this than you get on MSNBC. Study the real history.

1covey
Salt Lake City, UT

When Palestinians, Arabs, Egyptians, Syrians,etc, start dealing better with each other within their respective countries and intra-national groups(viz. Sunni vs. Shia), even; Only then there will be hope for peace in the Middle East.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

Re 2 bits

What is your thought on the comment "Zionism is racism".

When one group maintains they are "the chosen race." Do they feel they are better than other races?

Look what happened to the Germans and their concept of their superiority.

Who was the influential Rabbi who recently passed away who said "Gentiles are here to serve us"?

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Palestinian-Israeli peace will only be possible when Palestinian parents love their children more than they hate the Jews.

For those who refer to Israel as a conquered land, why do the Palestinians still have the keys to their houses? Go read many sites about how and why Palestinians left. The real story is the only one that makes sense of them still having the keys to their homes. Jewish people bought homes, and lived among the Palestinians, as neighbors. It was friendly and neighborly. Then the Muslim nations around the region got nervous that there was too many Jewish people and they might wield some influence. Palestinian people were told to lock their homes and leave so the Jewish people could be to be purged out and destroyed, and then they were supposed to go back and claim everything. Only problem, their side lost, so they couldn't go back. They had left their Jewish neighbors to be destroyed by 'friends of the Palestinians'. How could the Jewish people ever trust them? They couldn't.

And all those great neighboring countries, who were heavily involved in making this mess, refused to take the refugees in any of their countries.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

Re 2 bits

Please amplify your thoughts

Is it possible for a Palestinian family to buy and live in one of the new 1400 new subsidized units that the Israeli government is going to build?

My thought they can not. I feel this is similar to the black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods of the 40's and 50's.

How about the settler only highways which Palestinians are not allowed to drive on.

Are Palestinian and Jewish people treated the same at check points?

May I suggest you google the term "payback" in regard to settler behavior.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Palestinian-Israeli peace will only be possible when Palestinian parents love their children more than they hate the Jews."

What a comment. If you had any experience in this part of the world you would understand just how wrong this statement is. This is not an issue of parents loving their children. Just as the saints lost 2 in 5 children coming to the new zion, they made that sacrifice because they thought they were trying to move toward something that was a greater good.

The problem is not that these parents love their children any less they you do.... but that they feel their children have less hope of achieving anything in this life because of their current condition... (which I don't agree with). But they see their kids having little hope, so an early death (martyrdome)gets them greater reward. It is not because they don't live them, but because they do love them. In a western context, me being part of that westerness, if feels twisted. But when you don't have hope... you hate to see your kids raised in that condition.

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