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Published: Saturday, Jan. 11 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'or your boys to shower with the girls in their school’s gym class, simply because one student identifies with the opposite sex rather than his/her own visually identifiable sex, like some communities have ordered?'

So is sexual identify…a visible trait..?

If that was the case, women would still be forced to wear dresses, and not pants.

Some, still want this to be the case.

Let me ask you a question, should a complete stranger know all there is to know about you by a glance…

or should you?

No. I think I will reserve judgement, thank you very much.

And if you want to protect 'the children', it is my hope one day.

That at least those children, will one day be adults.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Richard Nielsen: I've read the bill. Have you?

There is absolutely nothing in the bill that applies to school children - and passing this bill will not automatically lead to the passage of a bill such as the one in California.

One of the things fear-mongers seem to ignore is the requirement that gender identity, if challenged, must be proven. No individual will be allowed to willy-nilly use the men's facilities one day and the women's the next and then switch back. If someone tries this, they can be legitimately fired.

If an individual is fired, and they believe it is on account of sexual orientation or gender identity, they must be able to prove that claim during an investigation - just as if they believe they were fired because of their race, religion, age, etc.

We have non-discrimination laws on the books already. We know how they work. This is not uncharted territory.

Melanna
Salt Lake City, Utah

Just when the State of Utah needs to prove Amendment 3 serves a rational basis and is not based on animus towards same-sex couples, we have letters like this and the associated comments appearing in a newspaper with national/international readership.

This is wonderful proof for the plaintiffs.

Just imagine how much ammo they will have should oral arguments take place after the legislative session!

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"What we are being told as being the gist of the bill doesn’t even come close to what the content and outcome of its implementation would be."

Especially true if you take it to illogical extremes and concoct scenarios that will never happen.

Really???
Kearns, UT

Please stop listening to scare tactics that will keep you from treating your neighbors with respect and dignity. The reality is that gender identity affects very few people, and they value privacy so much, that your concerns are so much of a non issue. Also, I would recommend you ask your children how many students actually shower after gym class; it's not happening.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

After looking at the bill it doesn't seem to cover education or the "children" at all. It seems to deal with employment and housing.

Also as to grooming it only seems to permit shared facilities for those who have undergone or undergoing gender transition not some guy who says hey I want to use the ladies restroom, and then the employer can request proof of process.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

The extremely unusual case the writer cites is not going to happen. The bill says that external appearance can be taken into account when determining a person's "gender identity," no matter what the person says it is. So no, big boys are not going to be showering with the girls. That's inane.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Reductio ad absurdum

There are stalls in the bathrooms of both genders.
Do you really want a woman dressed as a man with a beard being forced to use the women's bathroom?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Do you really want a woman dressed as a man with a beard being forced to use the women's bathroom?'

If they use a stall, why would I care?

Man or woman.

It's all going to the same place my friends.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I showered with homosexual boys back in school, in the military, and anytime I go to a public swim or shower?

Oh the humanity...

Demo Dave
Holladay, UT

I understand Richard's shower analogy, but the fact is that kids stopped showering after gym class years ago because some grownups thought it was nasty. Now they stink all day and have warped perceptions of self-esteem and lack the confidence that comes from seeing people their age naked and realizing that they're normal. Just one more casualty in the war on common sense, brought to you by your friendly neighborhood prude patrol.

Spark44
MIDVALE, UT

There are always predictions of disaster with any change in the laws. The Americans With Disabilities Act was predicted to bankrupt businesses that had to provide access to bathrooms and to cities that had to cut down the curbs for wheelchairs. Title IX that gave women more access to education was going to ruin athletics for men. None of that has happened. This bill will have the intended effect of ensuring civil rights for a minority just as the other bills did.

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