Published: Saturday, Jan. 11 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
'or your boys to shower with the girls in their school’s gym class,
simply because one student identifies with the opposite sex rather than his/her
own visually identifiable sex, like some communities have ordered?' So is sexual identify…a visible trait..? If that was
the case, women would still be forced to wear dresses, and not pants. Some, still want this to be the case. Let me ask you a question,
should a complete stranger know all there is to know about you by a
glance… or should you? No. I think I will reserve
judgement, thank you very much. And if you want to protect 'the
children', it is my hope one day. That at least those children,
will one day be adults.
@ Richard Nielsen: I've read the bill. Have you?There is
absolutely nothing in the bill that applies to school children - and passing
this bill will not automatically lead to the passage of a bill such as the one
in California. One of the things fear-mongers seem to ignore is the
requirement that gender identity, if challenged, must be proven. No individual
will be allowed to willy-nilly use the men's facilities one day and the
women's the next and then switch back. If someone tries this, they can be
legitimately fired. If an individual is fired, and they believe it
is on account of sexual orientation or gender identity, they must be able to
prove that claim during an investigation - just as if they believe they were
fired because of their race, religion, age, etc.We have
non-discrimination laws on the books already. We know how they work. This is not
Just when the State of Utah needs to prove Amendment 3 serves a rational basis
and is not based on animus towards same-sex couples, we have letters like this
and the associated comments appearing in a newspaper with national/international
readership. This is wonderful proof for the plaintiffs. Just imagine how much ammo they will have should oral arguments take place
after the legislative session!
"What we are being told as being the gist of the bill doesn’t even
come close to what the content and outcome of its implementation would
be."Especially true if you take it to illogical extremes and
concoct scenarios that will never happen.
Please stop listening to scare tactics that will keep you from treating your
neighbors with respect and dignity. The reality is that gender identity affects
very few people, and they value privacy so much, that your concerns are so much
of a non issue. Also, I would recommend you ask your children how many students
actually shower after gym class; it's not happening.
After looking at the bill it doesn't seem to cover education or the
"children" at all. It seems to deal with employment and housing. Also as to grooming it only seems to permit shared facilities for those
who have undergone or undergoing gender transition not some guy who says hey I
want to use the ladies restroom, and then the employer can request proof of
The extremely unusual case the writer cites is not going to happen. The bill
says that external appearance can be taken into account when determining a
person's "gender identity," no matter what the person says it is.
So no, big boys are not going to be showering with the girls. That's inane.
Reductio ad absurdumThere are stalls in the bathrooms of both
genders.Do you really want a woman dressed as a man with a beard being
forced to use the women's bathroom?
'Do you really want a woman dressed as a man with a beard being forced to
use the women's bathroom?' If they use a stall, why would
I care? Man or woman. It's all going to the same
place my friends.
I showered with homosexual boys back in school, in the military, and anytime I
go to a public swim or shower?Oh the humanity...
I understand Richard's shower analogy, but the fact is that kids stopped
showering after gym class years ago because some grownups thought it was nasty.
Now they stink all day and have warped perceptions of self-esteem and lack the
confidence that comes from seeing people their age naked and realizing that
they're normal. Just one more casualty in the war on common sense, brought
to you by your friendly neighborhood prude patrol.
There are always predictions of disaster with any change in the laws. The
Americans With Disabilities Act was predicted to bankrupt businesses that had to
provide access to bathrooms and to cities that had to cut down the curbs for
wheelchairs. Title IX that gave women more access to education was going to ruin
athletics for men. None of that has happened. This bill will have the intended
effect of ensuring civil rights for a minority just as the other bills did.
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