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Published: Friday, Jan. 10 2014 6:10 p.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Another step in a positive direction for those of us who cherish individual rights and freedoms so much. Ultimately, Utah will be remembered for the large role it played establishing same sex marriage nation wide.

UTSU
Logan, UT

Now that federal government honors Utah SSM, it will be more difficult for state government insisting not to recognize those same sex couples' legal rights. I am afraid there will be whole lot of litigation coming against the state.

If you think the state of Utah spends $2+ million to defend amendment 3 is not wise, imagine fighting against its own residents who legally married in their own state, whose marriages are honored by the US government. AG office will waste a lot more taxpayers' money in a slew of losing legal battles.

And for those who blame Judge Shelby because he did not stay his ruling and simply let gay marriage happen, take a look at wikipedia, Kitchen v. Herbert.

3 Response, it says "Because the state's lawyers had not filed a motion for a stay in district court, some Utah county clerks began issuing marriage licenses immediately to same-sex couples."

In another word, it happened because the state attorneys mishandled the case, badly.
So, If you want to blame anybody, blame the state's lawyers first.

truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

its good to finally see the other side of the issue and the rally for those that support same sex marriage.

riverofsun
St.George, Utah

So happy for these couples!
Looks like smooth sailing from here on out.
Perhaps today's decision will help Utah understand it's inevitable future.

truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

"Some people do not believe I am from a loving family because my moms are gay. They are wrong," Family isn't it about love?

Dan Maloy
Enid, OK

So much for being able, as the Constitution allows, for people to govern themselves.

Yes, I know the pro-homosexual crowd will come on here in 2.7 seconds and say that laws against homosexual 'marriage' are un-Constitutional, but they, like the activist judges that refuse to think clearly, are wrong.

Sad. Just sad.....

Way of the Warrior
Arlington, WA

@ Hutterite,

Your comment made me wonder if this will end up being a "Thank God for Utah" moment for gays and lesbians across the nation.

truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

"I love my moms, and my moms love me and my brother unconditionally." from the quote from the article its clear that these families love each other. With this family and others composed of same sex parents raising their kids with love and tolerance its clear that gay marriage is good for the family and is not hurting the family but rather strengthening it. So it begs the question Same sex marriage isn't it about time Utah?

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Today more than 1000 people tried to protest Governor Herbert and Attorney General Reyes out of defending Utah's laws. Such pressure tactics were successful in California, so they are trying to rein in more power and influence in Utah.

So far our leaders are stronger, and will stand with integrity in defending Utah laws whether they agree with them or not. They are doing their duty in the office they hold.

Too bad other leaders in our country won't defend and uphold the laws they swore to, when they took the oath of office. Utah leads the way in integrity, again.

Great job Governor Herbert and new Attorney General Reyes!!! We need to send them our support.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

I especially liked attorney Conder's statement: "I don't consider myself a straight person, I consider myself a person." Exactly.

To all supporters of persons and families in Utah: Way to go!

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Dan Maloy
There are two different issues, state recognition of marriage and federal recognition of marriage. Thanks to DOMA repeal the federal gov't is required to recognize it, but since Amendment 3 is still in effect thanks to the stay the state is required to not recognize it. Rather a quirky combination. The only same-sex couples in Utah getting recognized by the federal gov't are the ones with marriage licenses issued by the state, even if the state is at least for now not recognizing them.

And yeah, those laws banning it are unconstitutional (sorry I'm late).

10CC
Bountiful, UT

The showdown has been set up:

I believe my sister in law, and her longtime partner / new spouse, will file their 1040 jointly, and also file jointly in Utah - and in so doing will pay a lower amount - and will sue the State on discrimination grounds when the State moves to enforce Utah tax laws and force them to file separately.. (So much of Utah's income tax laws are based on the federal forms, anyway.)

Another point that could be interesting, and certainly symbolic: my sister in law, and her new spouse, are an interracial couple that have been together longer than my wife and I, 26 years.

Will the Supremes follow Loving V Virginia and overturn state laws, again?

More drama than Gary Herbert had in mind when he ran for Governor, I'm sure. Will public opinion move so fast that Herbert is mentioned in the same sentence as George Wallace, in the future?

Stay tuned!

J. S.
Houston, TX

@Badgerbadger

If history is moving towards the direction of marriage equality, but Governor Herbert and new Attorney General Reyes still fight against the inevitable, they are just following the footsteps of George "segregation forever" Wallace.

And by the way, according to yesterday's DN article 'Traditional marriage advocates rally over lunch in Orem to make voices heard':
"Even the Republican Party in Massachusetts has caved and will no longer oppose same-sex marriage," the former GOP U.S. Senate candidate said, adding that Republicans there now march in gay pride parades

Maybe Governor and AG should re-evaluate whether they can buck the trend of history or not.

Jaar van kwaad
Salem, UT

It's unfortunate that those of us that heartily disagree with the concept of SSM tend to be so quiet.

The DN article states that more than a thousand opponents of Amendment 3 rallied at the State Capital. It's too bad the hundreds of thousands of us against the aberration that is same sex marriage, don't get the same press coverage.

The way these stories are written, I'm not sure if I'm reading the DN or the SLT.

Saguaro
Scottsdale, AZ

I am waiting for the Utah chapter of the SSM history to be written. It's probably not time yet, for the organizers to reveal all of their strategy. But I find it hard to believe that 1,300 couples showed up ready to marry, without some community organizer to inspire them. I also would bet that if local journalists ever got around to asking them, we would find that a good percentage of these couples had already married elsewhere.

Same-sex couples may be outnumbered, but they weren't going to allow themselves to be outsmarted when it comes to (pardon the term) public relations.

The federal decision to recognize these marriages is a ho-hum non-event. These couples can go to California and get back the same day, with a marriage that the federal government will recognize.

Jaar van kwaad
Salem, UT

@Karen,

I used to consider myself a "person." Now I'm forced to acknowledge that I'm a heterosexual male that can't have a belief system without being called a bigot.

desert
Potsdam, 00

DN : Holder said despite the doubt cast on Utah's same-sex marriages, they "will be recognized as lawful and considered eligible for all relevant federal benefits on the same terms as other same-sex marriages."

If you cast doubts on something that is in place already, your move shows an almost undesireable attitude for those inflicted. If this is Eric Holder language or DN comment on this matter, I do not know, but rather would I like a more clear seperation between legal rights and activist's loud demands.

At least we can observe, what for most of us is plain political rather than the sufferings of the mistreated. I wished the Mormon church would more love them into repentance, than all this admiration for "kindness" and being treated "equal".

If politicians like Eric Holder are excluded from repentance, things will go down even further even sooner.

Ximena
Provo, UT

Grateful Federal A.G. Eric Holder has clarified the marriage status for those who married - grateful that Utah A.G. Reyes has recanted his original instruction not to recognize or finish paperwork, but ha now confirmed this as well. Utah ironically has pushed the issue of marriage freedom all the way to the Supreme Court which may require all states to comply with possible new federal ruling in favor of marriage equality for all. It is quite ironic that initially Utah's new attorney general guaranteed that the both the federal Circuit Court and the U.S. Supreme Court will find Utah in violation of the 14th Amendment concerning legal marriage, thus invalidating an individual state as final arbiter of marriage. Possibly this has left the federal courts with no recourse other than invalidating both a state attorney general's definition of legal marriage and a state constitution's definition of legal marriage when such definitions abridge the rights of citizens as stated in the Supreme Court's invalidation of DOMA. Ironic indeed!

Avenue
Vernal, UT

@Jaar van kwaad
"I used to consider myself a "person." Now I'm forced to acknowledge that I'm a heterosexual male that can't have a belief system without being called a bigot."
I agree with this statement, completely.

Ximena
Provo, UT

Grateful Federal A.G. Eric Holder has clarified the marriage status for those who married - grateful that Utah A.G. Reyes has recanted his original instruction not to recognize or finish paperwork, but has now confirmed this as well. Utah ironically has pushed the issue of marriage freedom all the way to the Supreme Court which may require all states to comply with possible new federal ruling in favor of marriage equality for all. It is quite ironic that initially Utah's new attorney general guaranteed that the both the federal Circuit Court and the U.S. Supreme Court will find Utah in violation of the 14th Amendment concerning legal marriage, thus invalidating an individual state as final arbiter of marriage. Possibly this has left the federal courts with no recourse other than invalidating both a state attorney general's definition of legal marriage and a state constitution's definition of legal marriage when such definitions abridge the rights of citizens as stated in the Supreme Court's invalidation of DOMA. Ironic indeed!

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