Comments about ‘LDS Church issues instructions to leaders on same-sex marriage’

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Published: Friday, Jan. 10 2014 1:45 p.m. MST

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Relocated Southerner
Logan, UT

I have been saying this for a long time. The way to keep the churches from being sued or losing their tax-exempt status is to have the churches get out of the LEGAL marriage business. Since marriage affords LEGAL and TAX benefits to the parties, everyone should have to be LEGALLY married by an official of the state -- be that a justice of the peace, judge, whatever. Then if the couple wants their marriage blessed -- either in a cathedral, synagogue or temple (LDS or Jewish or whatever) -- the couple can then go to their priest, bishop, rabbi, etc. to have their marriage blessed for the records of their own church or synagogue. Members of the clergy should not be allowed to perform LEGALLY binding marriages; that should be a function of a state official. If everyone were to do this, there could be no worry about being sued for refusal by some members of the clergy to perform a marriage since the church/synagogue ceremony would strictly be a religious rite.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: no comment

If we have followed the counsel to be debt free, prepared for the storms of life we will ride out the secular storm. I think this is the trial of our generation, to stand firm and bear the stripes of secular humanism that will be laid upon our backs. Our spiritual ancestors crossed the plains and suffered the rigors of the elements. So we will be tried and refined as necessary in this furnace of affliction.

IMHO the goal of the secular humanists is control, control of others in as many aspects of their lives as possible in order to coerce the public into conforming with their view of life and society. Gay marriage may be but a tool to advance this goal of control of society.

We need to fasted our seat belts and put the tray in an upright position, it's going to be a bumpy ride from here on out.

aunt lucy
Looneyville, UT

If you truly have a testimony of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints then this is "End of Story." If you have a testimony of the Gospel then you know the Lord, through his mouthpiece has just spoken. Good enough for me. In troubled times, oh how I appreciate the clarity of the Lord.

WriterChick
St. George, UT

In the actual statement by the church it says: "We invite you to pray that people everywhere will have their hearts softened to the truths of the gospel, and that wisdom will be granted to those who are called upon to decide issues critical to society’s future."
So no, we are not trying to push our beliefs on other people. We simply realize that the way we vote on issues such as this one affects our society's future, and we believe that the legalization of same sex marriage will have a negative effect on society.
It bothers me when members within the church vote for same sex marriage, because if they believe that the prophet really does receive revelation for the church, then they should believe that it is God who is against same sex marriage. Shouldn't they believe that God is always right? So.... God is against it, but they are for it? That seems backwards to me,but I guess they have to right to believe what they want.

archemeedees
Tooele, UT

The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity.

Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children.

Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation.

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Candide

But remember, even so influential a person as Thomas Jefferson himself Did Not get that specific phrase "wall of seperation" into the Constitution, even though it is said he wanted it included. Instead we ended up with a "neutrality clause" on religion. No law for or against shall be allowed. Or to put it another way, Congress is staying out of religion althgether.

One thing though about the quote you gave. When I read it what I see is TJ making an argument against state sponsored religion such as England had/has in the Church of England. What Mr. Jefferson I believe was saying is that he did not want a Church of America. He wasn't really addressing what the, for lack of a better term, private, religions or churches would do.

BlackDiamond
Provo, UT

I am a Mormon and proud of it and support the what leaders have to say. God has never allowed same sex marriage and he never will.

I also support you @Chris B

Jim
Mesa, Az

This is a great statement. No appeasement, it is what it is.

Sassy83
West Jordan, UT

Being Mormon, I also believe in the 12th article of Faith which states, "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates. In obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." All men are created equal and under the law they should be treated equal. If it is decided that LGBT people should marry then we should sustain the law and be fine with it. We should not bully or discriminate in any way. It is our job to love all people, just as the Savior taught.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

Latter Day Saints believe in chastity (sexual intimacy is limited married heterosexual couples) If we actually had a chaste society this is what we could expect:

A. Fewer divorces since there would be no infidelity.
1. Fewer children psychologically damaged by divorce; more socially well-adjusted children.
2. Less Poverty; fewer children raised in poverty.
3. Less abuse of children
4. Fewer children neglected.
5. Fewer custody issues.
6. Less crime, drug and alcohol abuse.
7. Fewer betrayed spouses.

B. Sexually transmitted diseases completely eliminated.

C. Fewer unwanted pregnancies.
1. Abortions rare. No need for abortion unless there is serious risk to the mother’s life or health. No psychological problems associated with abortion.
2. Children raised in homes where they are loved and cherished.

D. No pornography and the problems associated with it.
1. Fewer sex crimes and fewer victims of sex crimes.
2. Healthier relationships between husband and wife.

What is the matter with encouraging chastity? Why are LDS criticized for encouraging that kind of society? Wouldn't things would be a lot better if we actually really tried to the law of chastity?

mlngilbert
Stockbridge, GA

Mack2828- I am a little lost as to why you claim the prophet has not spoken boldly about this situation. It seems to me he stated the church's position very clearly and boldly. Just because the church has said not to treat gay people or those who support it with any disrespect, hate or malice does not mean we are refusing to live up to and stand up for our convictions. I don't see any clearer or more bold way to tell people where we stand on this issue. The prophet has stated to its members the leaders are not to perform these marriages or allow the church buildings to be used for these purposes. I do not see treating anyone with hate or malice as the right way to handle disagreements on the nature of marriage.

Vladhagen
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mack2828
This statement was written by several attorneys. The names Dallin H Oaks (Former law professor at U of Chicago and Utah Supreme Court Justice), D Todd Christofferson (Fromer associate general counsel for NationsBank), and Quentin L. Cook (Former San Francisco Bay area attorney) come to mind. Several businessmen in there as well, with some good PR abilities.

I do not think that many people are unclear about the Church's stand on SSM. They are pretty upfront that they do not find it to be morally right.

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

@ Baccus0902 - Leesburg, VA - "The LDS Church has made an official statement, which is reasonable, respectful, and clearly expresses its opinion and rules about Same Sex Marriage. As an LDS I regret the decision. However, I have no recourse other than accept it as the voice of the authorities of the church."

The problem, 'baccus0902', is that you think this is the voice of the "authorities of the church" and not the "voice of the Lord."

Yes, that makes all the difference in the world.

Cinci Man
FT MITCHELL, KY

I cannot speak for others, but a number of posts seems to say the Church is doomed because it may lose tax exempt status. I'm not sure what legal grounds the government could have to do that, but I do not trust the SCOTUS to follow law, moral majority, will of the people, common sense, or wise conclusions that are best for society. I trust the prophet far more in that regard. But I just want to put my stake in the ground that I do not pay tithing in order for a tax deduction. I trust that the vast majority of Church members would not cease tithing donations over taxing issues. And I trust that the Church would adjust expenditures accordingly. Prophets have encouraged us to get involved in politics, and that is our best hope to influence good politics. Also, every good work that we do, especially when challenged by governments, will be blessed by God and will bring good fruit in the long run. In God we trust!

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

@ Baccus0902 - Leesburg, VA
@ Chris B

" @Baccus,: Interesting you say you regret the decision, but as a Mormon don't you believe that your prophet speaks for God? So you regret what God has said?"

Chris

You seem to know very little about LDS Doctrine. The church always taught me to think for myself....."

Baccus -

Yes, church leaders have always taught us to think for ourselves. However, you're leaving out one little piece of info that changes everything. They taught us to first think for ourselves (i.e., to "ponder it in our minds"....Doctrine and Covenants section 9) but to ultimately yield our will to God.

You're not talking about that last part.

Why?

well informed
Salt Lake, UT

@MACK2828

great comment. I completely agree.

JNA
Layton, UT

To: No Comment

Amen and Amen, if anyone out there thinks this is about equality it is not. It is about the acquisition of power and to force religions to marry or face the consequences. Your post was dead on.

Jake2010
bountiful, ut

Is there some kind of divergent belief that the 'threat' of losing tax exempt status is something the 'leaders' even spend an iota of thought upon? I do believe that the tithing of the faithful members and other invested incorporated funds are well sufficient to withstand with ease of mind any forthcoming taxes that 'may' be levied... The doctrines will not change by the interposition of men. Threaten all you want, but the work will go forth boldly, nobly and independent come whatever winds of change may bring.

Phillip M Hotchkiss
Malta, Mt

I will stand with the Church ,and what it teaches. I support the leaders of the Church.will you stand with them,? Or are you standing with man? Choose you this day who you will serve.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@no comment
"Who would have believed a couple of decades back that the US government, in defiance of the US Supreme Court, would overrule a Utah law ?"

Uh... the Supreme Court could ultimately rule to overturn the Utah law.

@Chris B
Practically half of Catholics in the US don't agree with the Pope on same-sex marriage, while the other half don't agree with the Pope on income inequality.

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