Comments about ‘LDS Church issues instructions to leaders on same-sex marriage’

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Published: Friday, Jan. 10 2014 1:45 p.m. MST

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Maxx
Rexburg , ID

This is a sacred truth that applies to all the earth not just to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. By not standing as a light on the hill, and a beacon of truth, we are assisting our brothers and sisters on the path to hell and allowing them to take us there at the same time. In the super hero society today in which we live, we often hear “with great power comes great responsibility.” Power is knowledge, knowledge is truth, and truth is what we have, so we are the only ones with the true power or knowledge that have the responsibility to stop it. So we can watch the world burn and burn with it or act. That is the choice, there is no other, and the time is now.

Blue AZ Cougar
Chandler, AZ

@get her done
Yes, same-sex married couples are allowed to attend church. Anybody is welcome to attend LDS services (as long as they aren't disruptive and are wearing clothes I suppose). As for holding positions, I'll go out on a limb and say 'no'. This is just my though/interpretation, but given the church's position on same-sex marriage, a same-sex couple would not be living the standards of the church, and would therefore be precluded from holding positions or callings.

no comment
New Orleans, LA

YOU KNOW ITS COMING

Within 10 years the Church will lose it's tax exempt status over it's refusal to perform gay marriages.

What does that mean?
1. The US Government will tax the church like a business.
2. We all know how the IRS treats it's political enemies. Consider the Church enemy-of-the-state #1.
3. No more tax deductible tithing or offerings.

500 years of religious freedom destroyed over a couple of decades!

Sound extremist? Who would have believed a couple of decades back that the US government, in defiance of the US Supreme Court, would overrule a Utah law ?

Aeron
Provo, UT

@get her done: "Are same sex married couples allowed to attend church or hold positions?"

All are welcome to attend church. :) In order to have a calling/position in the church, members need to be attending on a regular basis and living consistent with the principles and beliefs taught by the church. One of those principles is the law of chastity--that you don't engage in sexual activity outside the bounds of marriage. Marriage in the church is defined as between a man and a woman. So for this reason, anyone in a same sex marriage would be very welcome to attend church, but they would not be given a calling to serve.

Upson Downs
Sandy, UT

The Church makes it's doctrines and positions very clear on SSM. The question for me is how can Church Members, who say they are active LDS and support it's doctrines, then go out and overtly support SSM, as though the Church's position is totally irrelevant? To do both is incompatible with living in reality.

Blue AZ Cougar
Chandler, AZ

@Buzzards
The church is less concerned with its tax-exempt status than you would think. The church isn't a tax-exempt organization worldwide, so I don't really see that as a deal-breaker. That really only applies in the U.S. and a handful of other countries. Besides, the law of tithing was never meant to be a vehicle to obtaining tax breaks. It's a law that was revealed in Old Testament times and exists in the church worldwide. Might be slightly less burdensome for someone in the U.S. to pay tithing (due to the tax breaks) than someone in Nigeria or Indonesia or Japan, but that doesn't mean the church would implode if it lost its 501(c)(3) designation. Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.

YGradFan
CENTERVILLE, UT

@ChrisB, better be careful with calling out Baccus. You believe the pope speaks for God, yet there is an even larger percentage of catholics that support SSM than LDS. Why are the catholics not following their leader, if he speaks for God?

I agree with you wholeheartedly on supporting traditional marriage. But it is still up to each individual to make that decision as part of his/her gift of agency, weather you believe your church leader speaks for God or not.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

How does this affect missionary efforts when missionaries come upon same-sex couples?

The church requires potential converts who are living together to be married, and in some areas of the world this is a frequent stumbling block, as many couples who are co-habituating are not married.

Presumably it will be like when the church previously encountered blacks who were potential converts, or the church's stance on sending missionaries to predominantly black nations, such as in Africa.

My hunch is that if a same-sex couple that was married legally expressed interest in the LDS faith, the missionaries would back off, and decline further teaching or engagement.

Like the other news today that the federal government will recognize the 1000 or so legal weddings that occurred in Utah over 18 days, while the state does not recognize them, we're living in a situation of ambiguity.

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

Baccus: This issue of marriage between a man and a woman is not a political issue. It is a religious issue. The government needs to get out of the way. This is God's law. And He will have the final say. I appreciate the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' leadership making a strong statement on this issue which will be read from the pulpit in our meetings this Sunday. Some may not agree; it is, nevertheless, from our Prophet.

Jeff in NC
CASTLE HAYNE, NC

It's frustrating. The overwhelming majority of people who support SSM have absolutely no interest in changing the LDS church's religious beliefs, however misled we think they are. Yet if you read the LDS' statement, it makes it sound like that is what is happening and that this is all about the church protecting their religious tenets. It's the opposite: religious tenets were used to create discriminatory laws against real people, and it is not just. I do respect mormons' religious beliefs. Please, continue your pursuit to eternal glory as you see fit, but persecuting good gay families does not make your pursuit any grander, in fact I think it may only hold you back.

1.96 Standard Deviations
OREM, UT

oragami:

You quote D&C 134:9, but you didn't complete the verse that changes the entire context. Here is the whole verse:

"9 We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied."

Since when did the gay marriage movement become a religious society and claim spiritual privileges they are being denied?

Even with the large LDS presence in Utah, are the rights of Catholics, Muslims, Baptists, etc. denied somehow because LDS church leaders have taken over the local government? Of course not.

Please don't wrest (twist) the scriptures.

Elms
OGDEN, UT

Ok, so the church just stated what it believes. So what. Now why are those beliefs being translated into public policy and law? This is supposed to be a secular society. Gay marriage hurts no one. It affects no one except gay people. The religious convictions of the majority should not be codified and enforced against any minority. That this is happening and Utah is being run as a Mormon caliphate is sickening. The argument I keep hearing is "But what about the children?!". What children? Gay people don't accidentally get pregnant. The few who will have kids would really, really, really want to be parents. They'll be great parents and it's better that the kid go to them than bounce around foster homes. Teach what you want to your members in your church. Keep those beliefs out of government.

Prodicus
Provo, UT

I've said it before but it's worth saying again:

"How many legs has a dog, if you call a tail a leg? Five? No. Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." - Abraham Lincoln

If the government classifies an SUV as farm equipment for tax and emissions regulation purposes, does that make it farm equipment? No. That's absurd. It doesn't matter what a silly law says, it can't change the facts.

If the government classifies a homosexual relationship as a marriage, does it make it a marriage?

If the government declares a man to be a woman because of his "preferred gender identity" does that make him a woman?

The answers to both of these questions is a clear No. Giving somebody an ID card with the wrong gender doesn't change his real gender, it just perpetuates a sham. Giving people of the same gender a marriage license doesn't make it a marriage, it just perpetuates a sham.

Society will have to face the real facts eventually.

Mack2828
Ft Thomas, KY

It seems like the prophets we read about in the scriptures boldly denounced sin without reservation. This statement sounds like it was carefully crafted and scrutinized by attorneys and public relations people.
If they really are prophets, why not just come out and boldly state the truth??

Candide
Salt Lake City, UT

@BYUalum
We do not live in a Theocracy, we live in a Republic where the majority does not get to vote away the rights of the minority. I for one do not believe in your god, therefore saying it's god's law means nothing.
“Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the 'wall of separation between church and state,' therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.”
― Thomas Jefferson

mightyhunterhaha
Kaysville, UT

@oragami
The Curch does not dictate State Policy. With that said as a member that does not preclude me from getting involved with politics. As you ask questions it shows you have a belief systme and I have mine. I am entitled to support a political stand that I believe in, just as your are. Don't even try the argument that it is about rights. Marriage is not a right. As such it requires a license. The States have the RIGHT to set laws and rules for their States. CO is now selling marijuana and that conflicts with the laws of the Federal Gov. When the Appeals Court rules and the Supreme Court rules (either side will appeal) then both sides will need to accept the ruling. Just becuase you have a different BELIEF does not make it so I cannot have mine! You all scream that our beliefs are affect you but you try and force your beliefs on me and others.

skrekk
Dane, WI

Funny that the LDS church issued a very similar letter in 1963 after Utah allowed mixed-race marriage.

U of U Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

@Elms

"Ok, so the church just stated what it believes. So what. Now why are those beliefs being translated into public policy and law?"

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Saying that LDS Church beliefs are "translated into public policy and law" is a stretch. Yes, people may vote with their religious conscience, and that is a right.

Not to mention that there ARE non-religious arguments to supporting traditional marriage. See the publication "What Is Marriage?: Man and Woman: A Defense" by Sherif Girgis (a former Rhodes Scholar studying for a law degree at Yale and a Ph.D. in philosophy at Princeton), Ryan T Anderson (a graduate of Princeton and a doctoral candidate in political philosophy at Notre Dame and a fellow at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C.), and Robert P George (J.D., Harvard; D. Phil., Oxford is McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University and a visiting professor at Harvard Law School).

1.96 Standard Deviations
OREM, UT

Mack2828:

"If they really are prophets, why not just come out and boldly state the truth??"

They have -- on various occasions. One occasion was issuing "The Family: A Proclamation to the World." How many times has the church issued a proclamation to the entire world? Not a lot, my friend.

Did you also know in November 1995, President Hinckley and Elder Neal A. Maxwell presented President Bill Clinton and vice president Al Gore with a copy of the proclamation on the family as they met in the White House to discuss ways to strengthen families?

You can confirm by doing a Google search for the terms "president hinckley bill clinton proclamation family." The first handful of results is sufficient.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Chris B

" @Baccus,: Interesting you say you regret the decision, but as a Mormon don't you believe that your prophet speaks for God? So you regret what God has said?"

Chris

You seem to know very little about LDS Doctrine. The church always taught me to think for myself.
"the glory of God is intelligence" Education, study and personal revelation are there to guide our lives as children of God and that is one of the strength of Mormonism.

You may find many LDS that do not question what the authorities say. Well, that is their prerogative, However, because of their blind faith they are going against the teaching of the leaders of the church.

How can you become a god if you don't dare to make decisions for your own life?

I didn't believe in priesthood discrimination and I don't believe that God is against SSM.
That is my belief and that is between God and myself.

I will continue studying the scriptures, praying and developing my personal relationship with God. I cannot in good conscience to consider myself an LDS in good standing.

I love the church and will pray for it.

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