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Published: Thursday, Jan. 9 2014 7:30 p.m. MST

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Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

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"We are now entering a period of incredible ironies. Let us cite but one of these ironies which is yet in its subtle stages: we shall see in our time a maximum if indirect effort made to establish irreligion as the state religion. It is actually a new form of paganism that uses the carefully preserved and cultivated freedoms of Western civilization to shrink freedom even as it rejects the value essence of our rich Judeo-Christian heritage.

If we let come into being a secular church shorn of traditional and divine values, where shall we go for inspiration in the crises of tomorrow? Can we appeal to the rightness of a specific regulation to sustain us in our hours of need? Will we be able to seek shelter under a First Amendment which by then may have been twisted to favor irreligion? Will we be able to rely for counterforce on value education in school systems that are increasingly secularized? And if our governments and schools were to fail us, would we be able to fall back upon the institution of the family, when so many secular movements seek to shred it?"

Chilidog
Somewhere, IL

Here is the next issue the state has to figure out.

The federal government recognizes SSM from Utah as well as from other states where it is legal.

Those couples can file joint income tax returns.

Those states, like Utah with a state income tax that refuse to recognise SSM, now have an issue. The state tax is based on the federal AGI and the federal exemptions. Therefore the state HAS to recognize SSM in order for those citizens to be able to pay their state income tax.

Once a state implicitly recognizes those marriages, it becomes that much harder for them to justify the discrimination against them.

This is a losing battle. SSM will be legal whether they like it or not.

Vince here
San Diego, CA

Why are you quoting the 12, Anti Bush-Obama?

Hundreds of quotes could be cited from the 1800s and into the 20th century regarding many Church policies were are now gone, no more, extinct, hasta la vista.

With all due respect to the Brethren, this is not a religious issue because mind you, Amendment 3 says nothing - absolutely nothing about the LDS Church performing same-sex marriages.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Today more than 1000 people tried to protest Governor Herbert and Attorney General Reyes out of defending Utah's laws. Such pressure tactics were successful in California, so they are trying to rein in more power and influence in Utah.

So far our leaders are stronger, and will stand with integrity in defending Utah laws whether they agree with them or not. They are doing their duty in the office they hold.

Too bad other leaders in our country won't defend and uphold the laws they swore to, when they took the oath of office. Utah leads the way in integrity, again.

Great job Governor Herbert and new Attorney General Reyes!!! We need to send them our support.

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

Its not the right thing to do and Reyes is overstepping his authority to impose his views on judicial supreme court opinions he has no business trying to enforce.

We do not have to accept them or honor theses unnatural conflicts of human misfits.

For business they carry on as usual and do things according to state and federal tax laws in place. All entitlements and job benefits are not the jurisdiction of the law or courts so these misfits have no arguments with busienss owners. They are forcing busienss owners to make more choices by discriminating to deny homosexuals jobs just on the basis of employees rights and rest room facilities in established busienss. We cannot expect that the heterosexuals will be forced to accept sexual predation one of the rights of homosexuals and sharing restrooms where sexual exposure will be risky for everyone now.

This opinion is not law but it will close many companies who cannot and will not abide by the special interest demands of homosexual for specail treatment.

Closing more factories and business is all this national uprising by discrimination is causing. This organization has won nothing but our contempt and dislike for their demands.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

Vince Here.

Something being outdated is the excuse of Apostates. I never said anything in regards to the constitutionality of SSM. I could really care less if they marry or not. But that doesnt mean I have to support it. But Neal A. Maxwells talk given way back in 1978, was talking about today. If you dont think they are making an effort to make non religon the state religon then you are blind. You cant be a fence sitter forever. Your going to have to make a choice eventually. I chose not to put societal norms ahead of the gospel. If dping the unpopular thing costs me friends that will never deter me.

HENELSON
lindon, UT

Red Corvette. People of faith have known for thousands of years that the "last days" would be filled with men and women who used their God given freedoms to engage in actions that are contrary to God's laws (sexual immorality, dishonesty, etc). Paul the apostle saw our day and told us what men would do. The Almighty God, gives men freedom to choose but consequences follow actions. God does not shield His children from the natural consequences of choice. Legalizing same sex marriage does not make it "good" in the sight of God, it will bring about greater moral decay and eventually America and society will rip itself apart. Every person has freedom to choose, I hope that the LGTG community will do what many Americans do; learn God's law, then use their freedom to change behavior and live God's law. (I want thieves and murderers do the same) The action of Judge Shelby overrides the voice of the people who passed amendment3. We the people have right to enact moral laws like Amendment3 protecting ourselves from moral decay. We the people passed Amendment3. We the people will act within the law to defend our law-freedom.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

2For

Your 2 statements contradict each other. Religious freedoms are being taken away as religious people and their families are sued to poverty, win or lose, in court. People are being forced to violate their religious beliefs in the name of non-discrimination, which is discriminatory against the religious. O ye hypocrites.

Take marriage away from the state and give it back to the religions where it came from and problem solved. The state can then offer secular contracts, according to what is best for society.

KJKirkham

Not only are the SSM proponents redefining marriage, but they are making new definitions of bullying/name calling. If they say it is free speech. If a person opposed to SSM says it, it is hate speech. Equality is supposed to mean the same set of rules of engagement for everyone.

Aren't there children, called orphans, effected when an orphanage is closed? And going after nuns, like they are scary bashers??? I dare you to find one case of a nun curbing someone. Catholic or not, you have benefited from things done by nuns.

Ignoring the harm done by SSM does not make it go away.

Kevin J. Kirkham
Salt Lake City, UT

Badgerbadger
Not only are the SSM proponents redefining marriage, but they are making new definitions of bullying/name calling. If they say it is free speech. If a person opposed to SSM says it, it is hate speech. Equality is supposed to mean the same set of rules of engagement for everyone.
KJK
Agreed. Both sides have the right to be civil or be crass.

Badgerbadger
Aren't there children, called orphans, effected when an orphanage is closed? And going after nuns, like they are scary bashers???
KJK
It wasn’t the gays who went after the nuns. It was the state of MA. The nuns broke their agreement with the state to treat all equally so the state quit giving them money and the Catholics decided to close rather than funnel funds from elsewhere.

Badgerbadger
Ignoring the harm done by SSM does not make it go away.
KJK
You have yet to show ANY harm.

Liberty For All
Cedar, UT

@ Kevin, showing harms of SSM?

Ok then, let me ask you what parent you didn't need or could have gone without, your mother, or perhaps your father? Which one?

Kevin J. Kirkham
Salt Lake City, UT

Badgerbadger
Ignoring the harm done by SSM does not make it go away.
KJK
You have yet to show ANY harm.
Liberty For All
Ok then, let me ask you what parent you didn't need or could have gone without, your mother, or perhaps your father? Which one?
KJK
You can ask that same question to kids raised by same-sex couples. Which parent can they do without? All people have differing backgrounds, education, personalities, talents, experiences, etc… and having parents with differing traits allows kids to learn more than having parents who are basically carbon copies outside of anatomy. If my wife had died, I’m sure I could have raised my daughter and taught her what it means to be a lady. Sure, when puberty hit, there would be some things I couldn’t do, but there would be other family, friends, teachers, etc… that could have made up for it. Same-sex parents do the same.

Your point fails to address those same-sex couples who won't be raising kids. Why should those relationships be denied when there is no potential harm to kids?

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