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Published: Sunday, Jan. 12 2014 10:04 p.m. MST

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Dennis
Harwich, MA

An amazingly well done article. Many should take this to heart.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Religion is often fair game in humor. I don't mind some of that. It is the juvenile and crass classification of religionists as stupid, foolish, secretly evil/hypocritical, etc. that make my head spin.

Currently the LDS appear to be fair game. Hopefully that will pass. I am not sure if our "live and let live" philosophy helps that but I do believe it is right (at least for now).

More militant groups such as B'nai B'rith that actively fight against stereotyping are an effective model but their strong stance is more understandable given the recent history of the Jewish people.

Whenever humor of a people is used, care should be taken not to denigrate.

FT1/SS
Virginia Beach, VA

The church has, and always will be attacked. Todays LDS church is attacked just like the Savior during his time on earth, and the apostles after him. It's when the world accepts us, is when I'll worry.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

The fundamental and very real difference between poking fun (even to the point of ridicule) at someone because of their race and someone’s religious beliefs aside (Shylock was not mocked for reading the Torah); I agree with the 2nd to last paragraph – consider it a form of flattery (in the ironic comedic sense) and laugh it off in the spirit for which Mormon’s are known for.

As Yoda said, “anger, fear, aggressive… to the dark side (the Muslim approach) they lead.” Not sure he mentioned Muslims but if were living in our time & galaxy he doubtless would have in this context.

Ken
Sandy, UT

Can you imagine a Broadway play laughing about the Quran?

The Scientist
Provo, UT

LDS have a "live and let live" philosophy?

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Latter-day Saints Who Say, "We Never Criticize Christian Churches.

…all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt…JS History 1:19.
"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" Journal of Discourses 5:73).

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171).

We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense ...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century" (Journal of Discourses 6:167).

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast." (Journal of Discourses 6:25).

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing ...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest of fools; they know neither God nor the things of God" (Journal of Discourses 13:225).

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Sharrona,

Two points:

First, wouldn't most born again Christians make similar statements reference Mormons being ignorant of the nature of God or salvation? I have read such statements.

Second, such statements (no matter by whom nor to whom they are directed) are not comedic mockery (which was the point of the article).

Thinkman
Provo, UT

The LDS Church is fair game to be mocked for a few reasons...

1. All religions, especially Christian religions are fair game to be mocked it seems by so-called entertainers from The Simpsons, to Bill Maher, Comedy Central, et al

2. Since Mitt Romney was on the national scene twice over the past decade and greater visibility has been given to the LDS Church because of his presidential campaigns, the LDS Church will be subjected to both positive and negative attention.

3. Since the LDS Church claims - perhaps more strongly than any other church - to be the one and only true church of God, it will therefore be subjected to greater scrutiny than say the Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc.

4. Since the LDS Church has some very clear contradictions in its history as has been confirmed by the LDS Church itself through its series of essays on Polygamy, Priesthood being withheld from Blacks, etc, it has become an even easier target for mocking and ridicule.

I'm not saying anyone should mock the LDS church nor any religion that generally is a force for good. But, when you are in the limelight and seek it, mocking is almost to be expected.

get her done
Bountiful, UT

Your too tight...where is your light mindedness....a little fun is ok.

Mayfair
City, Ut

The Scientist said: "LDS have a "live and let live" philosophy?"

Yes, you have often mentioned your active LDS wife on these comment boards and her position to live and let live.

I have used her example in my own life. You may thank her for me.

maclouie
Falconer, NY

Regarding the comments above there is some inconsistency.

1) Mocking Christianity vs Mormons are two different things (religion vs people)

2) Mocking of religions is not equal. You can mock Christianity and Mormonism but not Islam

3) Race and religion are not the same. Being racist is uncool. Mocking religion is OK.
One is born into a race without choice. Religion is a choice.

4) I enjoy Polack jokes and Mormon jokes cause I am a Mormon Polack. Hey! New campaign.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

sharrona
layton, UT
Statements and opinions made ex cathedra are not doctrinal. Ridiculing and religious contending are vastly different.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

Any PR is good PR. Have watched it happen many, many times. While living 30 years in the south at least monthly someone would come ask me something about the LDS Church because of something in a film, sunday school class or presentation unfavorable to Mormons. I just answered their question, gave the rest of the story etc. the best I could and thanked them for caring enough to ask and get a view from my side. It will all work out.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I have to wonder if this is the only episode of the simpsons this author ever watched. The simpsons are equal opportunity offenders. The often poke fun at the Jewish community and just about every group people divide themselves into or get stereotyped into into in our society.

cassandove
Tampa, FL

Sharrona - You may want to clarify that the Journal of Discourses is not and never has been canonized as doctrine.

In any case, as long as even one person chooses to follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ in its fullness, the Church and its teachings will be mocked at every hand.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Owl,Statements and opinions made ex cathedra are not doctrinal. What about?
(1 Nephi 14:10).. there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth"

8;58RE: Twin Lights, Do you agree?
(D.H.C. v 6. P 408,409) “I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.

HeresAThought
Queen Creek, AZ

Two things: First, I saw another Simpson dig at Mormons on a very recent episode where Rev. Lovejoy needs to find a way to revive his uninterested flock, but doesn't have the "Mormon budget" to do so. It seems more of a compliment that the Church has vast financial means due to the faithful tithes give to the Lord for the work to go forth.

In grade school and even well into my adult life have I personally been insulted because of my faith, many times by close acqaintences and even close friends. For me, it's difficult to turn the other cheek and rise above hurtful jokes and comments because my faith is sacred to me. Even if someone doesn't share my beliefs, I would expect the decency of an agree-to-disagree, or even a live and let live attitude. Even when I was inactive for 10 years, wasting time in "riotous living", I often found myself defending Mormons and the gospel because in my heart, it was still a living thing. I hope that I can one day overcome the weakness of anger at misinformed opinions.

oragami
St. George, UT

The Simpsons and South Park (which also has an episode about Mormons) ridicule and make fun of nearly every ideology, including the "cults" of Facebook and consumerism. There are a good number of people who think that many Mormon beliefs are ridiculous, even delusional. Add this to the fact that many people argue that the techniques the Church uses to recruit and retain, as well as illicit compliance and obedience, to some extent resemble cult practices. None of that makes it "right" to ridicule Mormons, but it may help others understand why it happens. Some people, of course, put others down to feed their already inflated sense of superiority, so there is always that.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

@ spring street,

I am aware that the Simpsons is an equal opportunity show for ridicule. But the point of the article is that when the jokes and ridicule are aimed at most other entities, their is some sort of public out cry. Some offenses even bring about charges based on the hate crime laws in this country. If a gay young man is teased and insulted, if a complaint is made there is law enforcement involvement. If a young Mormon boy is ridiculed, it is more likely that others will join in on the fun.

I realize it may be a comparison of apples to oranges, but again, as I see it, the article was pointing out for much of society, degrading LDS beliefs and members is fair game, poking fun and most other members of society is borderline criminal.

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