"There are thousands of factual proofs of the Truth of the Book of
Mormon."That's right. I saw hundreds of the factual proofs
at the LDS Museum of Ancient History. The museum has a permanent display of
artifacts from the Hill of Cumorah and the great battle waged there.
CA GrannyJoseph didn't do it in 60 days. You may want to do
your research on it. An angel led him to the plates, then repossessed them so
that they could never be examined later on? Yes, that sounds like fiction, not
Brahma, the only fiction to your comment is the assumption that one hardly
educated kid could have made the whole thing up in 60 days or less. The
assumption that he did makes him even more remarkable than he is to those of us
who value his prophetic mission in life. Years ago during a short mission in
Central America, there were a number of things that seemed unusually remarkable
because of an apparent connection to the record in the Book of Mormon. They
might actually be real evidence of the people of the Book of Mormon but to us,
they were just interesting because of what we know from reading the book. The
Holy Ghost, which I assume is what you mean by the spirit that testified to you
of it's falseness, doesn't give that testimony or prompting. You got
what you wanted to hear or feel, not what was true. The Holy Ghost testifies of
truth only, and I don't think you got it.
The Book itself, not the one of the article, is priceless. And, not just to
members of the Church, but to millions of others who will come to know its
contents and answer for them, the questions: Where did I come from? Why am I
here (on earth)? and Where am I going?Not even the Bible does all of
that, but has been supplemented by Gospel truths received through revelation,
which have been and will be invaluable to the salvation of much of mankind...
SLCWatchI know that it isn't true. I have had that confirmed
over and over in various ways. I suppose my knowledge that it isn't true
has come to me in a very similar way that your knowledge that it is true has
come. So to debate who is right is a moot point. All the best
I love Ken Sanders. I fell upon his store during the Olympics and met him.He is a treasure of the city.
I was watching Antiques Roadshow and someone brought in a really cool table. The
appraiser said it was "Mormon" pioneer furniture from the 19th century.
Something about the Dutch influenced top with the extra strong legs.Anyways, he appraised it very high.
@BrahmabullWhen we were kids we were all told that if we started digging a
hole we would eventually reach China. Of course that really would have depended
on the angle we take wouldn't it. Anyway as a child I dug in my sandpile
to a great depth. It was a monumental task. When I was tired, unable to go on
I found I had not reached China. Just because I didn't reach China however
did not make China's existence unreal.There are thousands of factual
proofs of the Truth of the Book of Mormon. When I was in Canada recently with
my wife a young man told me there was no factual proof of the Book of Mormon. I
said I could give them to him if he wanted them but first I asked him what kind
of evidence he would accept. He said nothing from you. But I commend your
attempt to find out for your self.Now back to the China story....Keep
digging. You might want to change your angle. Oh and it's not an emotional
prompting. You'll know the difference when you find it.
Ken Sanders was the expert who appraised my Grandmother's first edition
Pearl of Great Price at the Antiques Roadshow in 2006 mentioned at the end of
the article. Most people when they find out they have something worth in excess
of $50,000 would jump up and down and freak out. I don't know if it was
because of her age, she was in her 80's, but all she did was say,
"Oh," in a very soft voice. Sanders was more excited than she was. But
I think for my grandmother what was important wasn't the money. It was the
actual book and it's historical and spiritual value. She had no plans to
sell it. It is a family heirloom. Her brother inherited a first edition copy of
the Book of Mormon which I heard he donated to the church.
SLCWatchI couldn't agree more with what you said about the
monetary system.You assume, however, that I haven't thought
about, prayed about and investigated the book of mormon. I have. So have
millions of others. I have concluded based on thought, reason, and emotional
promptings (spirit) that it is false. So have millions of others. Just because
some believe it doesn't make it factually true. The evidence simply
I had the opportunity once to handle an 1830 addition of the Book of Mormon. It
was a wonderful experience.Sure, I know that I can get a new copy
for free -- and it will have all the footnotes in it and all and we have several
nice copies around the house that we read and study from. But that copy was
history. It was printed in the very beginning when the restoration of the
gospel was still in its infancy. Things that people sacrifice to accomplish --
like getting this work translated and then printed --- well, that is truly
inspirational and a thrill just to be able to look upon it and recognize how
grateful I am that I can now get a copy of this great work even for such a
trivial price when some paid such a great price to make it available to me.
Brahmabull,So what do you have against fiction? If you wouldn't
pay $75,000 for what you consider to be a fictional book, would you pay that
much for a book you considered non-fiction? They're available, you know.
@BrahmabullValue is capricious and a fickle thing. In actuality the
$100,000 is a fictional work. Money, US currency, is not backed by anything
except the faith and trust of those who use and accept it. It is a fabric/wood
pulp tissue of no value unless you accept that it is stored labor of others.
There is no value except what you put in it. The Book of Mormon
that you are aware of is a work of fiction, to you. You have no faith or trust
in it. However for the millions who have investigated it, tested it and proven
it not only by faith but through direct revelation of him who commisioned the
work they have found it to be a true work of divinity. Some would not trade
theirs for any price in the world let alone a bunch of fabric/wood pulp tissue
that you place so much trust in. Keep you tissues with you as long as you can,
you can't take it with you when you leave. Those who trust the Book of
Mormon will carry it's message into eternity.
Hard to believe those of you who are wondering why anyone would pay $100K for a
first edition Book of Mormon are being sincere in your question.You
could have also asked why someone would pay millions of dollars for a Gutenburg
Bible, or $50,000 for a single page from one.Same answer to both
questions.I'm thinking what you are really trying to
communicate is that you're hostile towards the church.
There have been several copies online that haven't sold and they are only
$75k. Either way, it is a steep price for a fictional work.
The Book of Mormon how rare a possession! It has guided my life throughout these
past fifty years with much fruit of its truthfulness. For a free book to many,
the opportunity it gives it's readers is priceless. Wisdom literature is
Boy, someone does not understand the value of a great piece of work. True you
can get a copy of the Book of Mormon Free, however, I have in my personal
possession several copies of the Book of Mormon which I treasure because of the
markings, or previous ownership. This is not just a Book, but a rare piece of
American and LDS Church History. In this throw away society, many of the younger
generation do not really treasue keepsakes. I have a Book called Leaves of
Grass by Walt Whitman that I purchased over 70 years ago, when I was earning .25
cents an hour. It was a big purchase for me, but I would not trade it today for
much more than I paid for it back then. And it is just a book of poems.
The book is worth $100K. A testimony of it is priceless.
Original copies of the Book of Mormon have sold for far more than that when they
It's worth far more than that. You can't put a price tag on the
fullness of the Gospel.
Connell is right. I noticed that the cover is missing the little
angle embossing that usually accompanies the book. A few years ago, if I'm
remembering this correctly, somebody brought a first edition PoGP and it was
appraised pretty high back then.
Reporter Sarah Petersen obviously did not understand the Antiques Roadshow
segment she watched and does not know of Ken Sander's decades long career
of dealing in early Mormon and early Utah books. She rather insultingly claimed
that the Book of Mormon was "something new to the appraiser but familiar to
members" of the LDS Church. Sanders not only knows what the Book of Mormon
is but has handled many first editions of the Book of Mormon. He quite clearly
explained that the only thing "new" to him was seeing a first edition
stay within the same family for multiple generations of ownership. I realize she
wanted a catchy hook for her opening statement, but she need not have
disrespected a great scholar (and a Utah state treasure in his own right) like
Wally, I see 3 comments other than yours and only one could be described as
professing some sort of expertise. How many do you see?
It is amazing how many "experts" are commenting on this.
and then right after the appraisal of the ancient Book of Mormon came an
appraisal of some supposedly ancient central American figurines. The guy who
owned the figurines clearly stated that he showed them to [and it left me with
the impression of ] Brigham Young University professors of archeology. He said
BYU clear and precise enough, that's for sure, and whoever that was told
him the figurines were ancient and authentic -- when they were obviously fakes
even to me. It would be interesting to know who in BYU archeology does not
know the different between ancient central American figurines and fakes.
I'd love to have a 100k version. I'd pay off my house in a heartbeat.
Why would you pay 100,000 dollars for a book of Mormon, when you can get one for