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Published: Thursday, Jan. 9 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

This guy pretty well summarizes the view at the Deseret News - right wing rant all the way. You make yourselves hard to like in any arena, including SSM. "We Americans have rebounded before from wars, economic collapses, plagues and both criminally opportunistic and criminally inept politicians. " Just a point - we rebounded from the worst recession in 50 years with the help of Barack Obama.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

These articles are perfectly tailored to the GOP base.

They bash Obamacare, offer no alternatives and act as though there was no problem to begin with.

Lets look at reality. The reality that existed before Obamacare and the reality of the future. Heck, even the Heritage foundation website will substantiate the following.

We have a deficit. We have a budget problem. We have an aging population.

Look at the projected spending in the category "mandatory spending", which includs Medicare. As the population ages and medical costs climb, the deficits soar. Regardless of who is president.

Regarding Medicare, which is our biggest future budget buster, we have 3 choices.

- Cut health care costs (the highest in the world)
- Raise taxes to pay for it
- cut the benefits

Anyone have an option 4? I'm listening?

Another rant against the ACA is old and tired.

Acknowledge there is a problem (first step, and one the right seems to miss)
Do something to address it. Complaining is not a solution.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Lots to critique. I will just ask, what does the author mean by "a one-party judiciary"? Take a good look at the Supreme Court and who was appointed by whom. The statement seems unsupportable at best.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

By Ken Hoagland
For the Deseret News

"Harry Reid changed longstanding Senate rules with 51 instead of 60 votes and he did it to make sure the judicial branch stayed out of the way of the dismantling of the separation of federal powers. All hail the king!"

Good to know the DN has officially gone of the right sided cliff.

"Just to make sure everyone understands this new kind of presidency that asserts the power of a king, Obama has simply reversed by executive order standing laws"

Does Ken know what a "king" is? This should be embarrassing to all conservatives that the debate has become so emotional that logical and rational discussion has all been but abandoned. I get being passionate about one's beliefs. One of my favorites was Allan Simpson of Wyoming, he just stated things as he saw them. There was no doubt left. But he rarely if ever fell into the land of just pure emotion and distortion filled rhetoric that we see from this new generation of conservative talking heads.

"King"... good grief. Ken needs to google the term and educate himself if he wants to be taken even slightly serious by anyone short of fanatic.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Ken Hoagland is founder and chairman of Restore America’s Voice and writes daily at “Repeal it Now” on Facebook.

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Restore America’s Voice --

is a PAC [Political Action committee],
i.e., paid Lobby Group.

And if the Deseeret News wants to stoop to posting paid for propaganda,
Why from only one side, and never from the other?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Ken Hoagland accurately described the situation that we have in America. The President is making a mockery of the Constitution as he legislates the implementation of ObamaCare. No one can dispute that he bribed Senators (Louisiana purchase, Nebraska) to get them to sign on. No one can dispute that the rules were changed to push it through before it was read and discussed. No one can dispute that not one Republican voted for it. No one can dispute that he lied about the savings; that he lied about keeping doctors and insurance; that he lied about who would be covered; that he lived about every "selling point". No one can dispute the fact that the press has been his failed to report what he is doing. No one can dispute the fact that he is trying to make us believe that we don't need a Congress, that he will write the legislation and that he will decide which laws to enforce.

What we need is for each branch of government to fully fulfil its responsibility, including impeachment proceedings. The evidence is in. Start the process.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Prediction: Instead of debating the excellent points of this article, liberals will personally attack the author! Can't deny the message so attack the messenger!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Ken Hoagland is founder and chairman of Restore America’s Voice and writes daily at “Repeal it Now” on Facebook.

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Restore America's Voice PAC is a Super PAC [i.e., Political Action Committee -- Lobby Group]

as of March 31, 2013, the PAC had $19,656.24 on hand and had made $683,511.99 in contributions during the first quarter of 2013

Restore America's Voice PAC spent $1,797,422.90 on opposing President Barack Obama

During the 2012 election cycle all funding was spent in opposition of President Barack Obama rather than the endorsement of any particular candidate.

During the 2012 election cycle Restore America's Voice solely targeted President Barack Obama with various telemarketing, fundraising and search engine advertisements.

The total spent by the Restore America's Voice PAC in the 2012 election cycle was $1,797,419.
This included $0 for Republicans, $0 against Republicans, $0 for Democrats, and $1,797,419 against 1 Democratic candidate in general elections.

That's says it all for me....

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

First lesson of persuasive writing: Don't insult those whose positions you hope to sway.

You may not like the outcomes of the last two Presidential elections, but to imply the majority of voters were uninformed or tricked by the media is insulting and ignores the reality of the Republican Party not offering a candidate with mass appeal.

As for the Senate filibuster rules - perhaps you should do a little research. Those rules were not long standing and there are very few situations where the Founding Fathers thought a super majority should be required. For everything else, a basic majority was considered sufficient.

Those who require a super majority for the basic business of Congress are the ones who are oerverting government and preventing the will of the people from being done.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Kind of hard to take the notion of being a place for a civil discourse when the DN prints this kind of stuff, not only does reality have no place in your pages neither does any sense of common decency.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Googling around with the terms "Ken Hoagland" and "Restore America's Voice" results in some interesting information.

"Restore America's Voice" is a far right SuperPAC funded by anonymous donations.

Hoagland is himself a far right fundraiser who has made a fortune by using incendiary writing to solicit donations from the GOP base with a claim that contributions will be used to support conservative candidates, when in fact his organizations tax returns reveal that most of the money raised goes to himself and his SuperPAC's "consultants." It's basically a scam operation designed to separate FOX viewers from them money.

Others have already noted that Hoagland's article is a stew of half-truths, outright falsehoods, and offers no constructive alternatives to the things about which he complains.

What I find fascinating is the Deseret News' increasingly uncritical willingness to publish this type of "whip up the base" rightwing invective.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Rod Dreher, the editor of American Conservative magazine summed up my feelings perfectly. He said that President Obama is a standard center-left politician, and while there are many of Obama's policies that he disagrees with, conservatives who paint him as a socialist, or a communist or a radical are simply discrediting the conservative movement in general.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

" No one can dispute......." Ahhhh, yes we can, because what follows is all falsehoods and distortions.

BTW folks Mr. Richards is prophetic in one sense. If the Republicans win the Senate in Nov. and keep the house, they will no longer concentrate on Obamacare they will move to impeachment.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

@ LDS Liberal:
It's because they have desire to be an objective news paper.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "The total spent by the Restore America's Voice PAC in the 2012 election cycle was $1,797,419.
This included . . . $1,797,419 against 1 Democratic candidate in general elections."

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

My view: Inflammatory rhetoric, political hackery of the worst kind.

Rawhide Kid
Sevier County, UT

He's right one. If we can't get Obama stopped, kiss America good by.
He stressed hope & change, and we're getting it.

djc
Stansbury Park, Ut

People that commented herein have done a fairly good job of chastising The Deseret News for publishing this kind of self-serving rhetoric. The writer has a very weak grasp of what the Constitution of the United States says and means. His dismissal of the judiciary is very telling. His opinion seems to be in a word, "if you don't agree with me, you are wrong and there is no room for discussion." Having spent the last half century watching politics and politicians in the USA, this gentleman and his ilk have done more damage then any president, any congress or any judiciary. Deliberate falsehoods don't make a very compelling argument. This is the worst kind of propagandizing in that in appeals to the basest of instincts, and hurts the poorest citizens of our great nation.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

Where has this person been, out to lunch? Most of what they accuse Obamacare of doing was already happening long before it came into existence! I have good insurance through the government and they have been telling us where we can go for a long long time! Most insurance companies have. They have told us which doctors we can use and they even told me which blood tester I had to use to test my diabetes! If I want them to pay that is! I know somebody who works for himself. The cheapest he could find insurance for his family(Before Obamacare) was $700 a month! He had to pay from $7,000 to $17,000 before the insurance paid anything at all!Many of the people that they use in their complaints about losing insurance had policies that were worthless! Of course Obamacare isn't perfect, but it beats what republicans have done, which is absolutely nothing! Nothing! Maybe they should look in the mirror when they start pointing fingers!

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Correction:
My post should read: They have NO desire to be a real, objective news paper.

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