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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 8 2014 10:45 p.m. MST

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Glendale, AZ


Casey See

Unfortunately for BYU, the playoff system is going to shut it out. Not because of wins / losses, instead, they won't get into a conference. Here is what I see. There is a growing ground swell to create 4 sixteen team mega conferences. It will be from these conferences that the playoff teams will be decided.

This will create 64 elite football schools and 60+ other previous division 1 football schools. While most of the time, the national championship team would come typically from one of these schools, this new format will guarentee that it does. For BYU, these leagues will require the potential of a sunday championship game, which BYU will not agree to and they will say, "Great, we really didn't want you, but now we can say we gave you a chance, and you rejected it."

So now we will have three different levels of college football. The new national championship league, the "other formaly BCS schools", and the formerly FCS or Division II schools.

I may be wrong, but I suspect that is what is going to happen next.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT


I think you are mostly right. I don't see a conference even giving byu an invite at all though.

I know the PAC 12 doesn't want byu. If we did, we would have offered an invite

And as bad as the big 12 wants a championship game, they apparently would rather NOT invite byu than have a championship game. That doesn't speak favorably of what they think of byu.

As for me, the bcs treated us appropriately.

Any team that earned a big time bowl got in.

I loved enjoying bcs glory. Twice. Go utes

Jared from CT

Here's how to keep smaller conferences intact (a megaconference system would suck) and make the system fair:

A 16 team playoff, with the conference champion from each major conference (13 of them I believe) automatically qualifying, and 3 at large bids. Would take 4 weeks to play, which is plenty of time between the end of the regular season and the end of "bowl" season. Still have bowls for the good teams that don't make the playoffs. Yeah, the champion would have to win 4 games, but if I'm not mistaken, that's what division II football does.

With such a system you would see teams staying in their conferences, and conferences no longer expanding. Traditional rivalries (those few that are left) would remain intact, and new rivalries would have some life. The conference schedule would actually be meaningful, and a single loss, whether in conference or out, wouldn't kill your season.

MN Doug
Rochester, MN

Casey See, I actually agree that your prediction about the super-conferences has merit (it's an idea that's been floated around the past few years by many college football writers). However, I think it will be 5 superconferences (thanks for playing AAC, ie, the conference formerly known as the Big East).
Also, I'm not sure where the Sunday Championship game comes into play, except in basketball. College Football will never challenge the monster that is the NFL with a regular Sunday game during the NFL season - Never. In fact, College Football is already losing ratings to the NFL because the NFL added permanent Thursday games.
When these conferences continue to expand, BYU has a good shot to be added somewhere (Big 12, perhaps?).

Omaha, NE

Great article. BYU can proudly say they never had a finger in the most corrupt sports organization every to see our planet. It's sad when some programs boast of their meager achievements in that corruption. It's a sad day when ordinary citizens have to break up a horrible organization while NCAA sits on its duff letting it happen. Good for these guys. They just made many millionaires unhappy knowing it will be harder for them to add to their fortunes now.

Cheyenne, WY

@ Casey See
Where is your information from the tabloids?
Several major conferences have state that they do not want to expand more.
In face many members of the SEC did not want to expand, but did so in order to get their own tv network and keep it entertaining (Pac-12 programming gets a little boring). A couple presidents have stated they want to be at 10 teams.
The soonest 16 team leagues would occur is around 2027 when the ACC's grant of rights expires.
The Big 10 would be the only conference that would look at that before 2026 (most likely), but they have some strict rules on membership (AAU, land-grant institutions).
Adding a school to the Big 12 right now would cost the other schools 30 to 40 million per school added dollars in revenue a year, so to add a title game costs 60 to 80 million dollars to generate about 17 million from a title game. (not a good investment)
The new college playoff may push the Big 12 to expansion, if the Big 12 consistently gets left out (due to the lack of a title game) then they will likely expand because playoff revenue dwarfs what was the BCS in payouts.

Sugar City, ID

Just win. with honor, and the system will be the best for BYU.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT



The MWC and the Pac 12 are hardly the same quality of leagues. It would be ludicrous to give them equal treatment(one automatic bid each for winner).

I have a better idea:

The big conferences will decide how things work, with only big conference teams going to the playoffs.

The "leftover" teams can form their own division II championship game if they'd like.

And hey, I think byu and usu would be serious division II contenders


I would like to thank the people for their efforts. I hope they were successful. I am concerned that we will still have the 2 tier system in the FBS. I am concerned about the “experts” on the selection panel and their biases. I do not want to see 2 or more teams from the same conference in the playoffs. There may be exceptions, but the Alabama-LSU championship game was a waste of time. I agree with Casey See about the 4 mega conferences taking this over. 4 mega conferences in the BCS division with the other 60+ in another division may be better. It will still leave some teams on the outside who may belong on the inside. It is still all about the money and control.

Salt Lake City, UT

Will all respect to "the BCS killer" for his efforts, the BCS isn't going away, it just evolved. They're adding two bowl games for the playoffs, and the non-AQ's still get one "BCS" slot. The BCS by any other name still smells exclusionary.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT


You are aware the Pac 12 faced a similar situation of evaluating whether it was worth it to invite Utah right?

Apparently the Pac 12 decided Utah added enough value to the Pac 12 to justify an invitation.

And apparently the Big 12 decided byu did NOT add enough value to justify an invitation.

I'm sorry.

Cool Cat Cosmo
Payson, UT

@ SoonerUte

Agreed; this is simply another ruse by the BCS to pretend that things have really changed, when it reality they've just tweaked it a bit.

Salt Lake City, UT

@ Chris B,

The PAC 12 doesn't want BYU for all the reasons that you despise politically. I've seen your other posts on political matters and your disdain for liberals and progressives is part and parcel the reason why BYU would never be invited.

As such, you're at war with your own values. The LDS's stance on gay marriage, for example, was a nail in the coffin of any hope of joining the PAC 12. The "liberal" Universities of the Bay Area and Northwest would be less inclined to do business with a conservative religious University like BYU, even though the money would flow in abundance from such a relationship. The BYU fan base in Arizona and California would far exceed interest in the University of Utah...by maybe 10x.

I know you're dislike for BYU and the joy you feel from their exclusion is quite obvious, but somewhere deep down, you know why it is and your better self would probably call it for what it is...political bias.

Lehi, UT

I want to personally thank Matt Sanderson, Matthew Martinez, Chad Pehrson, Bentley Peay and Bryson Morgan for their work in bringing down the BCS. For the longest time, I was so frustrated with this legalized monopoly in college football that was somehow allowed to serve to the advantage of some schools/conferences while to the disadvantage others. It always seemed highly inappropriate at best, and perhaps illegal. A playoff system is the only way to go. I think it will expand to 16 teams and you will have 12 to 14 mega conferences with a few slots available for a few deserving teams that qualify for the slot (from their play on the field), most likely from the powerhouse conferences. In other words, I think it will mirror the NFL in many respects.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

Had it not been for teams like BYU and their performance over many years the BCS never would have happened. BYU killed the Bowl Alliance after the 14-1 1996 season which led to Congressional hearings and to the BCS.

BYU will find a place. The NFL rules Sundays and college won't encroach much there, at least for football. But Sunday play is probably more about basketball than football anyway. PAC12 didn't want BYU, probably more for academic/research reasons that for fanbase or Sunday play, but the fanbase is enormous on the west coast. No wonder WCC was more than happy to welcome even a temporary BYU membership. Major conferences, if they expand, will be silly to not include BYU; imagine the breadth of the Big12 if BYU were a member, they'd have a good TV draw nationally but most importantly right over the top of the PAC12's domain.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

USA Lover,

At the end of the day its about MONEY. Always has been, always will be.

If byu added enough MONEY to the Pac 12 or Big 12 to justify an invite, byu would have an invitation.

Utah added enough value(MONEY) to get an invite. Byu did not, to either the Pac 12 or Big 12.

I don't disagree there are philosophical differences, but money speaks louder than anything. And again, byu does not add the value you think.

Perhaps you saw the latest report showing the VALUE of different universities in the country. Utah was in the top 50 in the nation.

byu was not.

Sorry to burst your bubble

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

@Casey See - I don't think playoff games going to be on Sunday because of NFL playoffs. Not going to happen and those four mega conferance should not ignore BYU. BUT they do see BYU will never play on Sunday might push us to the side still.

Mr Sanderson said "Personally, I think the new system will give more opportunities to the Pac-12, Big 12 and Big Ten to get into that playoff." Well, you are the u guy and hoping those four big leaque teamS will be in the playoff forever. Why don't you say why not 8 or 16 team playoff? And if they do expand, will it be sometime 100 years later?

And for Chris B. U have not played in the Big Bowl or any Bowl games YET when "u" got in the pac 11. So, when are u (not you Chris) going to win many games against your league?

Cheyenne, WY

@ CB
BYU and the Big 12 situation is completely different.
The Big 12 has a TV contract in place and it is more lucrative per University than the Pac-12s'. Why expand when it is not for the financial benefit of the Schools?
The Pac-12 was entering negotiations for a new tv contract, they invited Oklahoma and Texas and were declined so the pac-12 saved face by adding Colorado and Utah BEFORE tv negotiations began. (how embarrassing for the pac-12 to try to expand and it fail, so they invited lesser but still quality schools)
Any source with a decent education knows that BYU's exclusion from the Pac-12 is because of the type of university it is. Would Utah have been able to get an exclusive ESPN contract, highly unlikely.
Why would a conference add teams after a set dollar amount has been reached?
They would lose a lot of money.

Las Vegas, NV

@ Chris B

"I have a better idea:

The big conferences will decide how things work, with only big conference teams going to the playoffs."

For the Big conferences to decide how things work, they would need to leave the NCAA. With recent articles that doesn't sound like it's going to happen, and I don't mean short-term but long-term as well. I can see why. There would be a huge lawsuit in their hands that most likely would result with them losing the case. In most cases, the 4 teams will be from the previous BCS conferences, but another Boise State-like (and Utah-like when in MWC) team will pop up again and rattle the cages. Every time we think it doesn't, we get proven wrong time after time. Cinderella stories will always be around in due time.

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