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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 8 2014 6:05 p.m. MST

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Candide
Salt Lake City, UT

@Really????
I hope that you find love and marriage and live a happy authentic life. If only the majority here would allow the same for all.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

I am a heterosexual husband of 25 years. I get uncomfortable at the thought of two men being intimate, kissing each other, or even holding hands. But guess what--that is my issue to deal with.

You can believe anything you want about persons in the LGBT community. You may have books that suggest a LGBT lifestyle is evil. You can believe children are best served with one mom and one dad. Just don't let your personal feelings cloud the important decisions that affect your LGBT neighbors. The children with same sex parents are fine--they're better off than children with a single parent and outcomes are not better relative to children with one mom and one dad. Don't just trust what an extremist group may suggest--perform your own research and expand your knowledge.

Don't let yourself be uncomfortable just because people different from you have a different path to happiness than you do. Embrace tolerance. Allow your neighbors to be who they are, with the same rights and privileges that you have. We have tied secular benefits to marriage, and to deprive same sex marriages the same secular benefits is unjustified.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'How do you deny people in a "loving way" the right to liberty and happiness?'

Well said Shaun.

1.96 Standard Deviations
OREM, UT

I M LDS 2-

You claim a spiritual confirmation that gay marriage is right -- this is surely not from the Spirit of God since it opposes fundamental doctrine and living Prophets' words.

You say Gospel Principles and the Proclamation is not canonized and thus imply it is not scripture and something we can just ignore. Did you know it does not need to be canonized to be scripture? Read D&C 68:3-4:

" 3 And this is the ensample unto them, that they shall speak as they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost.

4 And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation."

The Proclamation about the Family was spoken by a Prophet of God (and 12 Apostles) moved upon by the Spirit! The Proclamation is the will of the Lord, the mind of the Lord, the word of the Lord, and the voice of the Lord.

Marriage is between man and woman! No if's, and's, or but's!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ fowersjl

If it was really about the children you would be trying to outlaw divorce. That effects FAR more kids than SSM ever will.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

I fear we will discover all too soon just what complications SSM will eventually cause to traditional values and the freedoms of those who do not agree with this fad.

I, like others who have spoken out here, am LDS. The First Presidency has reaffirmed that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. As long as I continue to have my rights to believe as I choose -- I will continue to support and sustain the leaders of the church --- not blindly, but in response to heart felt thought and prayer.

And to those convinced that Jesus would have us not only love everyone, which I agree with, but also endorse the varied lifestyles of everyone, we are also reminded that Jesus cleansed the temple twice.

Danny Jackson
Ogden, UT

I believe in God and that he set up marriage to be between a man and a wife and that same sex marriage is against God's law. Therefore, I support traditional marriage. I don't understand what it means to be gay; I don't know if it is something you choose or if you are born gay. But I also don't know why kids are born with AIDS or to conditions so unfavorable to their survival. I don't know why some Jews' lives were cut short during the Holocaust. There is much about life that isn't fair. I believe that all people, gay or straight, want to be loved and we generally express that love through marriage in family. So I can understand why gay people want marriage and family.
However, I believe it important to look beyond this life. God has an eternal plan for gay people like he does for the millions of children who haven't lived to reach age 5. Is it fair to deny gay people marriage? I'm not sure it is. But I have to take a stand in accord with my beliefs.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Your gods don't have a right to infringe on the rights of real people. It doesn't matter how deeply you believe in them; they're not real.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Danny Jackson

If you don't believe in SSM, don't get married to someone of your same gender. You have no right to say who other consenting adults can marry.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Happy Valley heretic: If you prefer that I just use a Prophet's words, I could? However, I'm certain you are aware of the words of the prophets, both ancient and modern. I have a whole host of things that I need to change, but one thing I am certain I won't have to recant is defending one of the most simple and beautiful doctrines ever designed for the joy and happiness of men and women, which is marriage! The Lord will never tell me I was wrong about that. I think that any person that marries someone of the same gender is self-absorbed. I don't know of any other word to describe someone that avoids the responsibility of marriage and children. I will do whatever I can legally do to save any child from growing up in a marriage that by word and deed shows only contempt for God's laws, then I will. Society has an obligation to think about children. There is nobody in the gay movement that is thinking about the affects of this on children because the first priority is themselves--obviously.

Really???
Kearns, UT

I was taught from an early age that Satan's plan was to force everyone to live according to a rigid set of rules. By not allowing us to each make our own choices, he would guarantee that we would all make it back to our Father. The problem with that plan is that we don't grow when we are compelled to do what is "right." The plan that we chose allows for us all to make choices and learn from our mistakes.

Too many of our laws in Utah are designed to compel people to do the "right" thing. We need to start thinking about the freedoms of others and allow them to make what we consider to be mistakes or sins as long as they do not interfere with the freedoms of everyone else.

If you fear that marriage equality will force you to bake cakes or take photographs at a gay wedding, then I suggest it's time you find a new career. If you don't want to change careers, maybe you could stop doing all weddings; that way you aren't discriminating.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ bandersen

Conceiving children is not, nor has it ever been a requirement to get married. Also, there are many same-sex parents who are wonderful, loving, and supportive parents. You are free to believe whatever you like, but please stop trying to force everybody else to abide by your beliefs.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

"You are free to believe whatever you like, but please stop trying to force everybody else to abide by your beliefs."

Back at you!

SS partners can believe they are a married couple, but are they willing to let those who believe that marriage is a partnership with God, and he requires marriage be a man and a woman, to believe that you are not really married? Nope. It is all your way only. There is no "you can believe what you like" for anyone but yourself.

You (SSM supporters) are trying to force everybody else to abide by your beliefs.

truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

Traditional marriage is as old as time itself. It clearly states in the bible that marriage is between a man and a woman. (except for the parts where Abraham had more than one wife but other than that the bible clearly states marriage is between one man and one woman.)

Born in Bountiful
Provo, Utah

The fight will come down to the churches standing for their rights to not marry those of the same sex in the churches. When we refuse, the next step will be to take away our tax exempt status, which is one of the biggest hammer they have against us right now. This will mark a change in religion and the tolerance of religion in our country. Don't ever forget that they forced us to define marriage when we became a state. Their standards are forever changing, ours cannot.

NoBoxScot
Salt Lake City, Utah

I read these comments and observe the wretched depravity to which this nation has fallen with total disregard, even contempt, for that God which brought forth this nation and see prophecy being fulfilled. A sad day indeed.

my2bits
Morgan, UT

@Tiago

What is your definition between love and lust?

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "I M LDS 2" that depends on what you want to call scripture. No, it is not part of what many consider scripture, but it does contain the DOCTRINES of the LDS church.

If you really want to get technical and say that only the BoM, Bible, D&C, and PoGP are admissable, then you are really messed up. You are denying that prophets give us continual revelation.

Just because it has not been included in the D&C, does not make it any less valid or important to follow. You should read 2 Timothy 3:1-7, and pay attention to verses 5 and 7.

Also see D&C 1:38 "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same."

By saying that the Proclamation is just a suggestion is saying that God didn't really mean it. It was written by a Prophet, signed by 3 Prophets, and presented to the entire church during General Confrence. If that doesn't make it scripture, nothing will.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"I can see why these folks are concerned about making their voices heard. No one is speaking publicly for their concerns - well, no one other than the Governor, the Attorney General, most members of the State Legislature, the leaders of the dominant local religious institution, the editorial board of the Deseret News . . . "

Yes, you are right of course. There is no one that plays the victim card as often and as effectively as a conservative. It's almost their entire MO. They are always the victim. They love being the victim. They thrive on it. That and their arguments based 100 % on emotion.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Two for flinching: I'm not forcing you to do anything. It is you that is trying to force the state to recognize something that isn't a right under the Constitution. The states, a state which you voluntarily are a part of, had the authority to decide on these matters and you want the federal government to intervene in something it has no power to intervene. Your push for rights are no different than someone pushing for the right to marry their child or men to marry beasts. The federal government has no right to intervene in those decisions, to say yes or to say no! If the people of a state want to allow incest then so be it. I doubt it will get that far, but that is the way our system of government works. The states are of right sovereign entities that are only limited by the Constitution, something that almost all gay marriage advocates don't understand. DOMA should never have been passed. The federal government has no authority or right to impose on the states anything that belongs to the state. The words of the Constitution have meaning! Study them.

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