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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 8 2014 6:05 p.m. MST

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Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ 4blade2007

So how to do explain all of the homosexual kids who come from straight parents?

gittalopctbi
Glendale, AZ

I M LDS 2 has an interesting interpretation of scripture. If you are really LDS, then you need to read "The Family: A Proclamation to the World." That document outlines clearly what marriage is and what God accepts as such. If you argue against that, you are arguing agsinst...well, you know. You should be very careful of "wresting" the scriptures. You should read 2 Peter 1:20 and Alma 13:20 where it warns against "wresting" scriptures.

I don't understand the critics of the "low" turn out. One said he had a company meeting with more people. Well, yeah, of course you did--they all have the same schedule (what, 9 to 5?) and all located in the same place. These were people who came from different locals on different schedules. Also, the mockery of only 75--what about all the other things that the lame stream media reports about activists while making the TV camera shot to make 6 or 12 or 20 people look like a crowd? And how many can a Golden Corral hold, anyway?

You go, ladies! Keep fighting. It is the right battle and it can be won.

rightascension
Provo, UT

Brave words after lunch will not be enough. Utahns seem to think that it can ignore the full faith and credit clause and the 14th Amendment. Marriage comes and goes, and so does divorce, but the 14th Amendment is forever.

waikiki_dave
Honolulu, HI

Dear friends of gay people and the Utah gay community,
Having just experienced late last year the hate filled rants of the religious right wing during their speeches and organized rallies at the state capitol building in Honolulu; prepare yourselves for an onslaught ten time worse during this interim period while the courts make a decision on marriage equality for Utah. Thank God we had level headed legislators who could see through the homophobic tactics these groups used to demonize gay people. The Church will back them to the hilt . . . it won't be pretty.

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

I see the "love" straw man is alive and well. Nobody asked me about love when I got my marriage license.

From a logical perspective, it boils down to this: marriage is a discretionary status offered by the state of Utah, with certain benefits provided by the state to the couple in return for certain obligations imposed by the state on the couple. In the aggregate, gay marriage advocates propose to extend the benefits of marriage to gay couples with no reasonable expectation of the assumption of anything more than minimal obligations on the part of the couple. I suppose that's fitting in a society where not winning "employee of the month" is perceived as a form of punishment.

At the end of the day, the courts may well rule in favor of the plaintiffs in this case, irrespective of the effect on society. The challenge of raising children will increase and we will see new and challenging dysfunctions in the rising generation, but the sun will still rise and set. Our gay brothers and sisters will have something to celebrate, and I wouldn't disparage them for that. It's never been about putting anyone down.

Gibster
San Antonio, TX

Ms Ruzicka. Fasting and prayer is not going to change the 14th Amendment.

TimBehrend
Auckland NZ, 00

I'm a great supporter of 'traditional' marriage, however you conceptualise it. It is one of innumerable possible conceptualisations of marriage. I support them all. I don't think any one should be allowed to negate another.

B Man
Orem, UT

This whole issue isn't about "marriage equality." That's just a false front. It's about making an immoral practice "legal" and therefore seem right to more people. It is calling evil good and good evil. In the end, the goal is to lead more people (especially those with same gender attraction) to believe that homosexuality is good and right. It is not!

There is a difference between supporting what is right and moral and being hateful or bigoted. It is not hateful or bigoted to say that a particular practice is wrong.

I love and care for all of God's children, and I feel particular concern and sadness for those who struggle with the challenge of same gender attraction. I cannot imagine a more difficult challenge to struggle with. I pray for those in that situation and know that God has special blessings preserved for those who faithfully struggle and resist temptation.

fowersjl
Farmington, Utah

Let's say two women "marry" and want to have children, so one decides she is the "wife" and gets impregnated through artificial insemination. That child then wants to know later who his father is. A sperm bank is the answer. And other male figures in that boy's life will hardly be a great substitute for a missing father. The perfect way to raise children is in an intact family with a female mother and a male father. History has proven that for centuries. Eroding that model further will continue to bring societies down. It's about the children.

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

"When we redefine marriage law we have said to those children, 'Your rights don't matter anymore,'" she said. "Judge Shelby has proposed this new experiment that says, 'No, we're not going to use the power of marriage to protect a child's relationship with their mother and father. Instead, we're going to use that power of marriage to alienate that child's relationship with their mother and father.'"

I'm just sticking this here for the people who no doubt didn't read that far.

Visitor from California
Berkeley, CA

There's a good reason for the separation of church and state. One group's religious beliefs don't get to dictate other people's rights. Early settlers came to this country to enjoy freedom of religion without government interference, with the safeguard of strong protections for minority rights enshrined in our Constitution and its amendments. All Americans are entitled to equality under the law, and that includes the hundreds of rights and responsibilities that go along with civil marriage. The important word being "civil”! States issue marriage licenses (a civil matter), and then couples can ask a church to conduct the ceremony, or a justice of the peace. Each religious denomination then gets to choose whether to bless a civil marriage with a religious ceremony or not. Some churches/temples do bless same-sex marriages and others do not. Why should LDS or the Catholic church get more power in this regard than the many Christian and Jewish denominations that do bless same-sex unions? And no one's taking away anyone's freedom of speech, but freedom of speech doesn't allow certain groups to take away other citizens' rights to equal treatment under the law.

John T
Scranton, PA

The issue which many proponents of gay marriage have is with the Biblical confines of marriage, and they have chosen to reject what God says in His Word about marriage and sexuality - or perhaps, reject the Bible altogether. Many people claim that Jesus never spoke out on the the subject of homosexuality or gay marriage, but they either have not read and/or do not understand what Jesus really said. In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus was answering a question on the subject of divorce, and He actually quoted from the Old Testament - specifically, Genesis 2:24: "And He [Jesus] answered and said to them, 'Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” This leaves no doubt as to God's intentions for marriage. God has gifted us with free will to choose whatever we wish - but He alone controls the consequences of our choices.

aunt lucy
Looneyville, UT

@im LDS 2
There is a prophet leading this church under God's direction, and when I sustain him in conference or in temple interviews, I commit to allow him to speak for God on my behalf on these issues. He will define god's position on marriage and I follow. I don't need to start doing some creative interpretations of scripture. When God decides to change his position, the prophet will tell us. It's really that simple to me.

TA1
Alexandria, VA

To my fellow LDS Church members - for those of us who support the LGBT community's quest for marriage equality - stop beating us up by citing things like "prayerfully studying the Proclamation of the Family" - we did study it - we feel different than you do - we are accountable for our feelings and our support - not you - get over it!

Gibster
San Antonio, TX

Imautefan While I consider the Proclamation on the family to be insired it has not yet been cannonized into scripture by a vote of the Church. I think that D&C 134:4 is right on point to this case.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I have no problem with people taking a stance, for or against SSM, as it is their right. What I do object to is making this about President Obama. I also vehemently object to making this about the judge. Judges make decisions on all kinds of issues. Four judges may come down four different ways on the same issue. That's why we have the appellate system, which generally works well. If these anti-SSM folks respect the Constitution, which they say is divinely inspired, they will accept whatever the end decision is of the judicial system. From their personal religious perspectives, they are free to hold contrary views. Extremism and near overt rebellion is toxic and against the very founding principles that these people claim to have. As I have said for a very long time, the concept of marriage should be separated from the concept of a contractual relationship. Leave marriage to churches. That way, a person may affiliate with like minded people. But for the rest of society, all should have the same rights, privileges and responsibilities under the law. Gays already have family lives. Give them rights. Opponents of SSM won't notice a thing.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

Gay marriage is a Trojan horse. If it is allowed to stay in our state, it is the first step towards other things. Although I believe there are some homosexual couples that are honest in just wanting to be married. I believe the overall end game plan for the LGBT movement is something else altogether. Gay marriage is an attack upon religion. You can look at the lawsuits that have been filed in other areas once it was allowed.

Ron Hilton
Holladay, UT

We don't have to choose between upholding the intact family with a mother and father as the societal ideal, and making reasonable accommodations for other domestic situations. But redefining traditional marriage altogether goes way too far. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. There are many legal rights that have become associated with marriage over years and even centuries of jurisprudence. Some may be reasonably applied to same-sex domestic partnerships, while others may not. For example, given the choice between placing a child for adoption with a traditional family vs. a non-traditional household, it would be in the best interest of the child to be placed with the former, everything else being equal, because that is the time-proven ideal. We can't always achieve the ideal, but we should not actively militate against it in the name of "tolerance" for the alternatives.

heavyhitter
Lehi, UT

Two points the believing LDS who aren't concerned about SSM. First, by endorsing SSM, you are telling these folks you don't want to be with them after this life. SSM leads to sex outside marriage endorsed by God (which no matter how many states/countries recognize SSM, it is not marriage in God's eyes), which is sinful and estranges them from God here and in the hereafter. Unless they repent after their partner dies or they divorce, they will die in their sins. But what a difficult situation to be in where you're married, and you recognize that to repent you have to divorce! Do we really want to set up that kind of roadblock to repentance? Second, how many SSM couples will there be in the celestial kingdom? Zero. Being with those you love in the eternities is critical to the plan of salvation. Are you really loving those by endorsing behavior that in the end will exclude them from those they "love" and from the celestial kingdom and eternal progression? That's tolerance but not love. If you really loved them, you'd be concerned about enduring happiness.

Tiago
Seattle, WA

Marriage--whether SSM or OSM-- does bring a benefit to society. It creates a family that loves and supports each other. Married people statistically are healthier and happier. Th

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