Morris not only pitched one of the greatest games in World Series history he had
the best record I can remember in the postseason. 7 wins and 1 loss in nine
games. He was one of the best pitchers in his era and the best post season
picture by far. His era would have been much better if he averaged 5 and a half
innings like the best pitchers of today.
I've actually been doing some reading about Morris since my initial comment
on this article. I'm being swayed. My first reaction was to look at
stats, and ERA is a big one. However, many of the things I've read have
begun to sway me to think he may just be Hall worthy after all. When it comes
down to it, you can only judge a guy by how he performed against his peers, and
Morris does seem to be one of the best pitchers in his era.Unfortunately, it will now take a Veteran's committee decision to get him
I wonder who some of you think is in the Hall. One guy throws out ERA as supreme
criteria, and another says Morris wasn’t good enough with nothing backing
his statement. Some facts: About 16% of eligible players born before 1910
(played in the 1800s, 1900s, 1910s, 1920s, into the 1930s-40s) are in the HOF.
1/6 of the players from that era who managed to stay in the game for 10+ seasons
have been enshrined. The number drops to 8-10% for the next two decades, but
players born in the 1930s (played in the 1950s, 60s, into the 70s) it goes back
up to 14%. For guys born in the 40s and 50s it dips to 6%. It’s 1% right
now for players born in the 60s. Once Smoltz get in, who is next? The old
pitching criteria won’t work for today’s pitchers. Vastly different standards for different eras. For pre-1910 or during the
1930s it basically meant that you managed to stay in the game a while and
weren't terrible. For guys born in the 1940s or 1950s it's a much more
exclusive group. Morris’ body of work is HOF caliber. The guy was a stud!
@mike in sandyHis total wins put him in the top 50 all time, and his
other accomplishments are even higher. Saying he isn't "near good
enough" displays a complete ignorance of baseball and what Jack did in it.
But of course you are a utah "fan" and a hater so that isn't
surprising, it is just pathetic.
He was borderline imo so I am not surprised by this. I think he'll get in
on the veteran's vote though. For a few years there in the mid 80's
and early 90's he was a dominant pitcher and he was consistently good
throughout. But Hall of Fame qualifications should be high so there are times
where borderline guys are not going to get in.
I saw Morris pitch against the Royals! He was amazing that day!
That's because he isn't near good enough.
It is a shame Jack Morris is not in the HOF. He was THE dominant pitcher of his
era and he rose even more to the occasion when he was in the World Series! Those
who only look at his ERA and not the whole package have never watched Jack
Morris pitch. Jack will be a HOF'er when he is eligible for the expansion
era committee ballot.
Definitely agree with WSUfan's assessment. While one game does not a Hall
of Famer make, that game 7 was the best WS pitching performance I have ever
seen, with the possible exception of Koufax's '65 game 7 against the
Twins with only a couple days' rest. Regardless, Morris' body of
work, and "old school" approach are beyond compare. I'd take him
to build an all-star team (career work, and "when they were young") any
Specialty pitching lowers ERAs, limits innings, a pitcher's ability to
finish games, and ability to both win and lose games late. No pitcher in the
future is getting accepted in Hall, if the old standards continue to be held.
Morris was a warhorse. He averaged 242 innings a year for his career. He threw
175 complete games! Averaged 11 complete games a year with a high of 20. Max
Scherzer, the 2014 AL Cy Young, had exactly zero complete games this year,
Kershaw had 3. He dominated the AL in 80's. He is #44 on the list of wins
at 254 (only two current pitchers have barely more than 200 -- Sabathia and
Hudson). 200 wins is going to be the high water mark for pitchers soon. Finally,
his seventh game 10-inning 1-0 complete game win for the Twins over the Braves
in 1991 is considered by many (count me among them) as the greatest pitched
World Series game of all time. He’s was ‘give me the ball and
don’t take it from me’ old school. Veteran’s committee (the
guys who played the game) will put him in at their first chance.
As well he should not have been. Jack Morris was a good pitcher, but he does
not belong in the Hall of Fame. Not with a 3.90 career ERA.