Published: Thursday, Jan. 9 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
Well I guess we have to revisit the controversy surrounding the Iraq and
Afghanistan wars. The Deseret News is right in pointing out that the United
States has enormous sunk costs in those two wars, both in terms of wealth
expended and bloodshed, and a whole generation of military with incurable
disabilities. So what would you have the Obama administration do? Send more
troops in? How many more casualties will you put up with? As soon as the
United States leaves either theater the locals will go back to their old
animosities. Remember, Iraq in particular is a totally artificial country -
cobbled together to help the British exploit the region for oil. If things
don't change in those areas the United States has two options: 1) get out,
or 2) bulk up there and stay forever.There is a third way out, and
that would be for the United States to assume a policy of real neutrality in
Palestine. This would get the United States some degree of credibility in the
Muslim world. Without such a change our options are limited.
The US gained something in Iraq?Saddam was a tyrant but he was a
tyrant holding a bag of snakes. The Iraqi people are now suffering with daily
car bombs, roaming death squads and poor living conditions. The
invasion has accomplished nothing except to open the door nice and wide for al
so, several questions- how long are we supposed to occupy Iraq- How long are we supposed to occupy Afghanistan?- How much will it
cost- What exactly are we achievingOr a bigger question. What
was the purpose of going into these places in the first place?
"Comments about ‘In our opinion: U.S. can't afford to lose all it
gained in Iraq, Afghanistan"----What is it exactly
that we have gained from these wars? and and what is so important about
continuing to fight over there that we ought to continue borrowing from China
and the rest of the world to pay for these wars?
Perhaps we should go to back to Vietnam and finish what we started there too? If
we started up the draft again it might not cost so much.Has it ever
occured to you that it isn't our job to fight every war on this planet?
Ditto the previous comments. Bush-Chenney orchestrated the most horrific
calamity of our time with the invasion of Iraq. Our country and the world was
in no urgent danager and world leaders pleaded with Bush to slow down and let
the inspectors finish their work. Bush-Chenney thought they had an opportunity
to change the dynamic in that region. What they ended up doing was destroying
lives, families and communities for generations. We can't undo what's
been done. Other than prayers and humanatarian relief there is little we can do
to bring solace to the victims of this tradegy.
The fact that major cities are now under al Quaeda only shows that the Bush wars
were a huge mistake that only made things worse over the long run. Hussein may
have been a bad guy (one we loved at one point), but what did we gain.
Thousands of dead Americans and trillions of dollars wasted on a Bush boondoggle
that we are still paying for.
The article assumes we should have been in Iraq in the first place so what we
"gained" had some value. Wrong on both accounts. Actually I find this opinion stunning and really scary. To think the neocons
are still out there lurking just waiting for another "moderate"
Republican President (think Chris Christie) so they can continue their agenda in
the middle east, sends chills up my spine.I like Marist's
solution, and cjb's suggestion of re-visiting Vietnam as a contrast.
Re: "There is a third way out, and that would be for the United States to
assume a policy of real neutrality in Palestine.""Real
neutrality" would require us to be much more supportive of the Israeli side
that we have been for many years.The Obama regime has spent enormous
quantities of time, money, and political capital trying to prevent Israel's
defending itself from Arab attacks on innocent Israeli women and children.To what end? It has done nothing but embolden radical Islamists to blame
ALL their barbaric misbehavior on Israel -- and us, of course.It's gotten so bad that even otherwise reasonable Americans are now
suggesting actions they know would generate a new Jewish holocaust, as if we
somehow owe that to Arabs in the region.It's beyond sad.
What we gained from Iraq:Thousands of dead Iraqis and American
soldiers.Added nearly $1 trillion to the U.S debt.Destabilized Iraq,
creating thousands of Iraqi refugees and civil war.Emboldened IranNow:a haven for terroristsAmericans are tired of fighting
wars in the middle east and elsewhere which result in little to no net gain for
either the citizens of the country or American safety and security. We are
looked at by residents of the countries we invade with more derision and blame
@procuradorfiscalLook at how many Israelis have died in the past 10
years compared to how many Palestinians. Palestinians launch bottle rockets
while Israel fires rockets filled with white phosphorus over one of the most
densly populated places on the planet.If you are trying to invoke
the image of a poor, weak Israel the facts show the complete opposite.
Anybody who didn't at least suspect that we would loose the ground we
gained in Iraq and Afghanistan if we elected Barack Obama... was smoking
something. He campaigned on that promise.Problem is... the majority
of Americans don't care what happens in Iraq or Afghanistan now. So
it's time we got out. I don't want my kids dieing for something we
don't care about.
"In recent history, the United States has had to maintain a long-term
presence in various nations in which it has secured liberty. Germany, Japan and
South Korean are examples of this." The only difference is they stopped
shooting at us shortly after the surrender.
Can't lose what we gained? What did we gain? 4500 American lives lost,
100000 or more Iraqies killed. A trillion dollars in treasure spent. No weapons
of mass destruction removed. A replacement Islamic state aligned with Iran.
Continuing tribal bloodshed. Ill will from various places.
Turns out you can't jump into a 1000+ year conflict between Sunni and
Shi'a and think you're going to magically make it all better.
By all means, let's waste more blood and treasure in Iraq. What a
disgusting mess Cheney created there.
"In our opinion: U.S. can't afford to lose all it gained in Iraq,
Afghanistan"We gained the elimintation of Al Qaeda from
Afghanistan. And I am agree that we can't afford to lose in
Afghanistan.But the government of Afghanistan is corrupt. They have
been warned and warned and they still have not listened. If we stay we send out
the message that we were not serious in our warnings.There a
governor in South Carolina who had a mistress. His wife found out, forgave him
and told him to stop. But he went back anyway. She divorced him. She said,
"I can forgive adultery, but I can't condone it."Our
message to Karzai and Afghanistan is: "We can forgive corruption, but we
can't condone it."If the Taliban take over again, they will
probably not invite Al Qaeda. What I understand is that they have realized that
it worked out badly for them in the 1990's.
It was foolish of us to have ever given up a solid military presence in Iraq. A
U.S. military base in Iraq would have been the perfect launching point to
protect the U.S.'s critical interests in the Middle East (and yes, that
includes oil). By giving up that strategic and tactical advantage, we truly
squandered an irreplaceable opportunity.
RE "There is a third way out, and that would be for the United States to
assume a policy of real neutrality in Palestine"... (Marxist)But
that would almost certainly eventually result in the inhalation of millions of
Jews... But I think you know that, and either don't care or WANT that
result.We should not sacrifice the lives of millions of innocent
Jewish civilians at the alter of placating the Muslim world, or in hopes of
gaining a degree of credibility in the Muslim world.I can't
believe how callus the left is to the plight of the Jewish people. It's
like they are just vermin... something that we either don't care about, or
something that SHOULD be destroyed.---I'm sensitive
to the plight of the Palestinians too. But they have other options. USA backing away and promising total neutrality would only insure
Israel's total destruction. But I think you know that.
We should not be in any war unless we want to win. The last time that happened
was WW II. We received collateral damage at Pearl Harbor and retaliated by
assisting the RAF in bombing Germany into rubble. We fire bombed Tokyo and used
the nuke twice on Japan. Those nasty old nukes probably saved 4,000,000
Americans, most of them your fathers and grandfathers. We should withdraw our
troops from Pakistan, Aphganistan, Iraq and quit fiddling with Iran. Then we
should turn them all into desert wasteland. Take no prisoners.
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