Published: Thursday, Jan. 9 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
Re: ". . . Gesture Liberalism is more than just a gesture."Hear, hear.It's actually a wholesale hijacking of my tax
dollars, and yours, to buy support for liberal causes and candidates.Fine gesture, indeed, if you're in that small minority of Americans
willing to accept the label "liberal."Sad for all the rest
Obama is leading a parade that consists of him and him alone. He's
beginning to see that. He's beginning to see that Americans are finally
seeing him as he really is. No amount of "hot air", no amount of
blustering, no amount of blaming others will change the fact that Obama is
seriously underqualified to serve as President. He will live forever in the
history books as being the only President less qualified than Jimmy Carter.
Typical George Will editorial. Partisan, myopic and a better example of how to
compete in a high school debate.
FT. Typical liberal rebuttal! Can't debate the facts so you attack the
messenger! Partisan, myopic and not even able to compete in a high school
Irony Guy. Tell us if you can, what part of his article is not fact! All you did
is attack him personally!
Irony Guy,If that is what you take from this it is scary. The
liberal agenda has been taking us to more and more government control. Did you
read the quote from Biden that he and other big government supporters think that
all the great ideas have come because of government help and incentive? That is
absurd. The only purpose the federal government should provide is protection of
our liberties, which it is slowly taking away. The states should take care of
all else, such as head start programs, environmental controls, etc., as they are
more able to cater to the needs of their citizens.
Liberalism - Another word for socialism.
'Americans who exercise consumer sovereignty wherever Barack Obama still
tolerates it are constantly disappointing him.' Ok.
Did we impeach George W. Bush when he invaded two countries? Double the
debt? Create the TSA? Patriot Act to invade your rights…? No. We elect Presidents for x2 year terms. Both George W.
Bush and Barrack Obama got x2 terms. So that means, 8 years. And
here, we have conservatives whining about anything. From healthcare to a lack of
factual wars. But not, when 4,000 troops die in Iraq. Gesture
Liberalism? Reagan tripled the national debt. George W.
Bush doubled the debt. You cannot say either about Obama or Bill
Clinton. And Utah will spend $2 million dollars against gay
marriage. How many jobs does that create? Gesture Liberalism? How about the empty claim of 'Fiscal Conservative?'
Pagan, a simple fact checking exercise revealed that the national debt under 3
years of Obama rule had already outpaced 8 years under Bush II. The Debt rose
$4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. By March 2012 CBS
news reported that the debt had gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama
had taken office in 2009. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your
own facts.Conservatives were wrong to let Iraq happen and to let
Afghanistan go beyond May 2, 2011. I'll give you that.
If F150's were still getting the mileage they did when St. Ronnie was
president, a lot less of them would be selling today. It took more than a little
regulation to push car manufacturers in that direction.
Of course we all know and understand - "You didn't build that."
Chad S, Tell me when the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war were added
to the national budget. 2009. Tell me when Medicare part
D was added to the budget. 2009. Tell me who signed
these into effect? George W. Bush. If Obama added even
ONE dollar to the national debt, it would 'technically' be more debt
than any other President in American history. But if you are going
to cite a report, cite the author… *'Who Is The Smallest
Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack
Obama?' - Rick Ungar – Forbes Magazine – 05/24/12
Reagan tripled the debt. Bush doubled the debt. Even
you, did not claim otherwise. Because it would be a lie.
Medicare D has been a winner, money-wise. Too bad about the other health
programs. We need inexpensive, but environmentally--friendly transportation; we
also need work and family vehicles that are also environmentally friendly, but,
obviously not as friendly as smaller vehicles. History shows that judicious
government involvement has been beneficial. When business and industry sre
brought into a co-operative loop, better things can result. We know that
America's isolationist stance after WWI probably helped bring about WWII.
We don't know what non-involvement in Irag would have allowed. Yes, it
cost. Yes, it could have been done better. Same can be said about all the wars,
America (and anybody else) has fought. Bad politics is what I blame. Politics
should be used to get the best of what a varied population has to offer. Great
leaders do this. Poor leaders play one interest against another.
In their comments, both Thid Barker and Cowspackle referenced something written
by Irony Guy. But when I look over the comments, I don't see any by Irony
Guy. Can someone please put it back?
You are all a farce. Anyone that votes defends Republican or Democratic ideals
needs to look in the mirror. Democrats like crony socialism and welfare and
Republicans like war and crony capitalism. I like the Constitution, private
enterprise, and liberty, something neither Republicans or Democrats support!
Your arguing is tit for tat! You're all lost!
You know, Pagan is really an appropriate name: He or she worships the God of
Government. Where the only worthwhile human endeavor is run by faceless,
nameless government bureaucrats, whom we peons must submit our petitions to see
if they are worth the time of our great government betters. Where Americans are
just cogs in the great machine; where we must be grateful for the crumbs our
benevolent socialist betters deem us fit enough to receive. Where diversity is
promoted, as long as you never presume to have diversity of thought. The ideal Liberal world: A nation of blacks, browns, whites and others, all in
servitude to the government, never questioning, a nation of Sandra Flukes with
no morality, a nation of Julias with no family but Big Government, where you
abort your kids and the ones that survive are gay. A mix of 1984 and Brave New
World. No religion but obeisance to the Democratic Party, with no dissent.
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