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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 7 2014 6:05 p.m. MST

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REALLY-WOW
SLC, UT

I agree with this comment "To paraphrase Lincoln, this nation cannot survive half allowing same-sex marriage and half rejecting it. Or perhaps to paraphrase someone else, you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube. It's not a question of whether same-sex marriages will be recognized in every state; it's a question of when."

And the answer of when should be when a majority of voters want it.....Not because of a single judges opinion, or because of a loud squeaky wheel......

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

"That said, the cause of same-sex attraction has no bearing on the issue of redefining marriage away from being a man/woman institution in a form justified by the governments high interest in seeking to have the highest percentage of children possible raised by their biological parents."

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Did you look at the pictures of who was marrying? Some of them were gay couples with children. Gays can adopt in Utah right now! Gays are having children via adoption, in vitro fertilization, surrogate mothers, and raising children from other marriages. Keeping gays from the legality of marriage is NOT keeping them from having and raising children. They will continue to do so with or without marriage.

This is not a viable argument.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

JPLofMI: "There is no law that bans churches in Utah from having same-gender commitment ceremonies... As long as they do not try to claim they have the legal force of marriage."

Then it is not a marriage. It is a commitment ceremony. The churches are denied religious their liberty.

JPLofMI: " Hobby Lobby has no objection to funding 16 forms of contraception. Their only objection is to the 4 abortion ppills in the HHS mandate."

Clarification noted. It does not change the gist of my previous post.

JPLofMI: "Available evidence points out that same-sex attraction is a complex system that arises from multiple causes..."

We actually agree on something for once.

JPLofMI: "That said, the cause of same-sex attraction has no bearing on the issue... justified by the governments high interest in seeking to have the highest percentage of children possible raised by their biological parents.

There are thousands of gay couples with children obtained through biological means (i.e. not adopted). SSM achieves the government's goal of maximizing the number of children raised by their biological parents. If that is the goal, it's an absurd policy that prevents these children from having married parents.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

64John Pack Lambert of Michigan 10:31 a.m. Jan. 8, 2014

The claim that the Hobby Lobby case is about contraception is a lie. Hobby Lobby has no objection to funding 16 forms of contraception. Their only objection is to the 4 abortion ppills in the HHS mandate.

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The problem with that comment is the fact that there are NO abortion pills in the HSS mandate. The only abortion pill -- RU-486 -- has to be given in a doctor's office under the supervision of that doctor. The pills in the HSS mandate prevent pregnancy, not abort it.

jimhale
Eugene, OR

When Utah appeals to the 10th Circuit, one would hope it would do so carefully.
The argument that marriage is based on the production and guidance of children will not carry the day with the Supreme Court. Too many heterosexual marriages do not result in children....and many of those couples never intended to have children.
This is not about children. It is about sex.
Some is inherently natural, some is not.
And it is about choice.
Anyone can get married now. They just have to find someone of the opposite sex to agree to put up with them.
Many sexual activities are undertaken out of sexual desire. Many of those activities we have made illegal because they entail choices society disapproves. Some are given legal status/protections and economic subsidies because society chooses to encourage them.
Homosexual desire may or may not be immutable. But homosexual actions are a choice.
If Utah chooses to define marriage (i.e protect and subsidize it) as being between a man and a woman, that is a choice the people as a whole should be able to make.

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

John Pack Lambert says that marriage must be of a, "form justified by the governments high interest in seeking to have the highest percentage of children possible raised by their biological parents."

jimhale says, "This is not about children. It is about sex. Some is inherently natural, some is not. And it is about choice." He also says, "Many sexual activities are undertaken out of sexual desire. Many of those activities we have made illegal because they entail choices society disapproves. "

They are both wrong. More than four out of ten births in this country are out of wedlock. (I'm guessing we can't blame the gays for this one.) The government's interest couldn't be very compelling, or they would have addressed this.

Marriage is not about sex, either. Witness all those children being born out of wedlock, for one thing, so straight people are having lots of sex outside of marriage. As for "illegal" sex? The Supremes, in "Lawrence," struck down all the sodomy laws, not just for the gays, but for everyone. All those "special bedroom tricks" in Cosmo are legal now.

Marriage in today's world is about love and commitment. Period.

donquixote84721
Cedar City, UT

If The United State Supreme Court rules, as they should, that this is a States Rights issue, these marriages should be voided, as this is just another attempt to go around The Constriction of The Unite States of America.

dwayne
Provo, UT

carman,

"I just want to call the legal union of one man and one woman "marriage". Call other unions something else."

You dont get to claim ownership of a word especially when it has a legal meaning. You either want something different for gays in terms of the legal effect of these "unions" or whatever you want to call them or you want government to do something it doesn't have authority to do which is create a second word for the same thing to apply to relationships you disagree with and thereby effectively violating the religious liberty of others.

"Just reserve the word marriage for the fundamental building block of society: the biologically logical, social norm of a man and a woman, committed to each other and legally bound. Just come up with a different word for other unions."

So my RELIGION cant have legal marriage but yous can? My son has a legal union but yours can have religious and legal marriages. The word means something to us. It has significance and value. We dreamed of our son marrying since we held him in our arms and you dare to vote to deny us that. Not happening

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

John Pack Lambert says that marriage must be of a, "form justified by the governments high interest in seeking to have the highest percentage of children possible raised by their biological parents."

jimhale says, "This is not about children. It is about sex. Some is inherently natural, some is not. And it is about choice." He also says, "Many sexual activities are undertaken out of sexual desire. Many of those activities we have made illegal because they entail choices society disapproves. "

They are both wrong. More than four out of ten births in this country are out of wedlock. (I'm guessing we can't blame the gays for this one.) The government's interest couldn't be very compelling, or they would have addressed this.

Marriage is not about sex, either. Witness all those children being born out of wedlock, for one thing, so straight people are having lots of sex outside of marriage. As for "illegal" sex? The Supremes, in "Lawrence," struck down all the sodomy laws, not just for the gays, but for everyone. All those "special bedroom tricks" in Cosmo are legal now.

Marriage in today's world is about love and commitment. Period.

zumagirl
Draper, UT

Why not spend 2 million on cleaning up our air? We should be worrying more about how that will affect our children than any supposed threat from SSM.

tgurd
Gonzales, LA

I would like to speak on this gay marriage situation, they say that 83% of Americans believe in God and I realize that a lot of them don't use the King James version of the scriptures because of all the new scripture that has come about from ministers that have taken the Holy Bible and put their spin on it. The king james version of the bible flat out tells you that there is something wrong with same sex marriage the destruction of Sodom and Gumoraha should satisfy any that want to say its ok and that God doesn't care. There are comments in there also about men and women doing unseemly things and being together which meant they could be put to death just like adultery or fornication. If there are those precentages of Christians out there speak up vote on whats right and get off the idea that you should be quiet because of a very small minority of people are screaming unfair.

sjames
AMERICAN FORK, UT

@Willem "the Mormon Church put up millions to defeat us but in the end freedom always wins" Perhaps you need a reminder of how Prop 8 went down in California. Remember that the PEOPLE of California OVERWHELMINGLY voted to keep the traditional definition of marriage. Democracy voted same sex marriage out. It was a handful of elite judges that decided that the people's voice didn't count and they over ruled it. That's my only problem with this whole thing.
I honestly could care less if gay people want to have the same rights as married straight people. I think that all people deserve those rights, that's why govt should get it's filthy little hands in marriage period. That being said, when you live in a democracy or republic, the voice of the people decides these kinds of things. Imagine if the people voted to allow same-sex marriage and 5 judges decided that the people were wrong and overruled it, would you be upset then?

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