2013 isn't an election year.
Though I wonder how ratings works. For instance I watch Rachel Maddow's
show all the time but never on TV, I watch it when convenient for me through
their online site. Is watching a show of Hannity's from say... Monday even
an option on Fox News's website? (Of course one could still just DVR it and
do it that way).
My thought would be two things. First is 2013 is about as boring as it gets
election wise, the second is that the conservative audience(older people) is the
only one who still gets their media through a traditional source like cable.
Most younger people, and the number say younger people are much more likely to
be liberal than conservative, don't pay for cable, and get their news
online. A liberal is much more likely to get their news from Huffington Post or
Mother Jones than MSNBC.
The answer should be obvious. The basic intelligence level of the general public
continues to plummet. The great masses would rather watch the Bachelor and
Jersey Shore than educate themselves by watching the news. Indeed, the masses
have become so addicted to the sleaze fest of so-called reality television
(which is anything but reality) that they know longer have the desire or the
ability to inform themselves about current events of any importance. Hopefully
the slumbering masses will awaken and realize what is happening before it is too
Objectivity is losing ground on all the cable networks , but nowhere has honest,
unbiased journalism taken more of a hit than on MSNBC. Those guys have
absolutely no conscience. That is why their ratings are comparatively in the
Re: idablu " MSNBC. Those guys have absolutely no conscience.
That is why their ratings are comparatively in the tank."The
conscience factor between MSNBC and Faux is a dead heat! If you doubt that it
is time to step away from the cool aid! Go back and read
"NoodleKaboodles" post, he hits the ratings differential on the head!
John Charity Spring, Sadly I think you are right. Few "have the desire ...
to inform themselves about current events..." I wish you were wrong, but you
are right on. The ignorance is stunning. *sad*
The picture says it all, doesn't it? Who wants to hang out with grumpy old
men and an even grumpier young woman? But I agree with Raplh West
Jordan -- Fox is just as ridiculous. The only honest news program to watch
anymore is the NewsHour on PBS, and everyone on there is getting old, but more
cheerfully. When Jim Lehrer and cohorts are gone. There will be no one.
Political pundits live off of politics, and they love government. Cynicism
does not grow and attract. Go for hike, go dancing, turn off TV. Cynicism
and MSNBC do not attract the common man, MSNBC thinks they are so smart, yet
complaining about things all day long is not smart. That is why Christianity
is at 2 billion people, people want to have hope. Used to big a huge Chris
Matthews fan until he began worshiping universities and being popular and put
his politics and ratings over his faith.
Talk about selective reporting... this has to be one of the worst cases of spin
I have scene in a while. Using the provided links (much appreciated), you read
the actual report has this to say about FoxNews."Compared to
2012, Fox News was down -5% in total viewers and -19% in the A25-54 demographic
in total day. In primetime, the network was down -14% in total viewers and -30%
in the demo, the steepest decline among younger viewers of all the cable news
networks."There was quit a bit more...Just maybe,
and I am hopeful, that people are figuring these guys out (and MSNBC too) that
these are not news outlets, but more infotainment. If you want to be
entertained, watch "Big Bang Theory".... it leaves you less irritable.
Lets face it, unless you are over 55, white, scared and angry, Fox doesn't
have much for you.I am surprised DN cherry picked data points so
heavily to support their brother in arms - FoxNews.
Credibility: downIntegrity: downProfessionalism: downWhat, exactly, IS there to watch?
Easy answer: There is not 24 hours worth of news to show. Thus 24 hours of
"opinion" and "news speculation" on all of these channels are
just worthless. It's like a 24 hours sports channel. When we have a game
on once a week or every few days, the channel is ok. But the rest of the time
it's completely worthless. Also modern viewers want content not
over-priced, out-dated delivery systems (i.e. 100's of channels we never
watch). Internet streaming (and paying for what you want to watch) is where the
market will force things. Clone cable channels forcibly bundled together are
living on borrowed time.
People are turning away from cable news because it fails to deliver news.
Propaganda gets old after a while.
A recent study concluded that Fox had 55% opinion-based content while MSNBC had
85% opinion-based content. That's why MSNBC is a flop. I used to watch
MSNBC all the time before it took a hard turn to the left and became so mean,
nasty and dishonest. I also used to have respect for Chris Matthews. It was
made clear in the article that ALL cable news networks were down from 2012
because that was an election year which increased viewership. If MSNBC would
become an actual news network instead of an outlet for the Obama Administration,
they might have some credibility.
It's been my experience that CNN will either not print articles that shed
poor light on the liberal agenda or hide them deep and far from highlighted
headlines. If I really want to know what's happening I'm forced to
turn to Fox. I may not be the only one who seems to be having this experience
inasmuch as, the last I saw the stats, Fox is blowing the other big cable
The problem is not Fox or CNN or the networks or even MSNBC, the problem is the
fact that people get news from nowhere. Newspapers are dying, reporters are
going to a different line of work and the general population doesn't
care.People need to listen and read a variety of sources, even opinion
radio and TV, and then form opinions for themselves. Right now most people know
nothing. That is unfortunate.
It isn't like the networks are unbiased either. MSNBC may be to the extreme
but NBC and others are all biased to the left. As such they are competing
against each other. The problem with Fox is that you have to pay a premium to
get it. If they were more accessible, I doubt they would have experienced the
drop in viewers as they pretty much have a monopoly on conservative programs.
I try to watch a bit of news from a few networks, a bit of local, a bit of
network, a bit of cable so I get a few perspectives. I watch less network news
because they report too much "celebrity news." Who cares about empty
headed narcissists and please don't put a microphone near the voice of
ignorant sports stars. Both groups make Americans look stupid. I watch less
cable because I get tired of the loud voices talking over each other. Not only
is it rude, it makes it hard to hear what they are trying to say. I've
added BBC news and usually watch most of it. They calmly, politely report news
from around the world which US news almost ignores. I don't like the drama
and sensationalism in network and cable news. I just want a bit of truth without
the adrenalin! After reading Sandy's comment I will try PBS but look up
"cohort" please. The 's' is redundant. Cohort is already
I's simple. More Americans want Fox to explain how the elites are moving
the country to the left than to have MSNBC work hard to blame Bush for
People, like myself, as well as many others I meet with, deplore the hyper
partisan reporting. I surely miss the old school news, with the likes of Walter
Cronkite, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, etc. Please, bring it back. We need the
real "fair and balanced" news.
I see it like this -- Liberals are less likely to fall for being
whipped into an emotional feeding frenzy, More likely to use their minds
over their emotions to form their own opinons, And gather their
information from a wide variety of sources.Conservatives [on the
other hand]: love a good meetin' revival, are more likely to
use emotions RATHER than minds based on facts and logic,and generally have
that SINGLE source of ALL their information along with pre-conceived opionions
that simple agree with.i.e., viewing what they want to see, hear, and
Anyone who watches Fox or MSNBC for the "news" is kidding themselves.
Both are designed to promote ideologies and anyone who isn't interested in
ideologies (most of America) will not watch either of these outlets. Personally I watch both of these stations expressly for their opinions. As a follower of MSNBC I can say that their fall in ratings has nothing
to do with their ideology but everything to do with formatting. The
only way I "an avowed progressive) can watch the channel anymore is to
record it and fast forward through until I see something I'm interested in
(and I still agree with most of their ideologies). The network has
allowed Schultz and Sharpton to just be narcissistic whiners. Chris Matthews
has never met a conversation he didn't want to talk over, Chris Hays is a
true "wonk fest" and Rachel Maddow's half hour lecture every
night with silly hats and lame jokes is just boring. Also what's with the
prison shows? I think Fox does a much better job of creating
hospitable environment for their message. Right wingers are getting what they
come for, comfort and opinion. Progressives not so much.
Maybe becasue it's lame, biased, and agenda driven... I'm just
sayin... that may be part of it.
Good solid journalism struggles to be competitive in what is essentially an
entertainment medium. The pressure on broadcast journalists to be TV
personalities first takes a toll on their journalism.The rules are
simple enough. A good reporter doesn’t speculate. He tells what he knows
and resists the temptation to offer commentary. But what does he do in the
position of trying to do journalism right while knowing that hanging onto his
job hinges on ratings and audience share? If a story he knows is important is
boring to the public, does he yield to the temptation to spice up the details?
Can he do so without compromising the integrity of his reporting?
Cable news?Cable news is a contradiction in terms.Happy
talk mixed with talking points infomercials is opinion...not NEWS.The 24/7 Cable presentation(s) simply enable the suits to verify that
entertainers are following the prescribed talking points.
"Fox News remained at the top of the ratings battle in 2013, but other
networks are in a downward spiral, according to USA Today"this
about says it all. People tune out garbage - they want to hear the truth whether
it agrees with their ideology or not.
I am lucky that my father recorded a lot of videos when I was a kid so I have
some of the old news reels and news updates. what is lacking today in journalism
is objectivity and honesty. the reporters in the old days I noticed tended to
report just the facts of the story and left out the interprative Hyperboly and
agenda or waited to make certain facts were corect before rushing to the
presses. They let the audience form their own opinion instead of presenting
theirs. This is Why MSNBC, CBS,ABC,PBS and CNN look more like pravda at best
every day or Josef Goebels propoganda material from the Third Reich more and
more. Even Fox news is not blameless bias game but the reason they are doing the
best is because at least there is still some semblance of objectivity of balance
that the other networks have abandoned and the rating show it.
I like the political cartoons the best. They capture the truth better than all
of them combined-by along ways.
The only answer is PBS Newshour.
one old manOgden, UTThe only answer is PBS Newshour.11:55 a.m. Jan. 8, 2014=========== Agreed.However, I have also found Al Jazeer America [channel 7.2] to be an EXCELLENT
source of unbiased international reporting.
Keep in mind Fox New has both NEWS and commentary. The news hours are done by
Shepard Smith and others and they report the news I think in a very fair and
balanced manner. I think CNN does ok as well at least with the news. Fox also
has commentary such as Hannity which IS conservative commentary. You know that
when you tune in. There is also more liberal commentary on Fox such as Geraldo
Rivera who is a liberal. Fox has both. Bob Beckel on The Five is a liberal. Try
to find ONE conservative on any of the other news channels....ONE!!! They
don't exist. It is ALL liberal or FAR FAR LEFT LIBERAL. So this is why the
other networks are sinking in the sand...people get it that what they are
watching is completely bogus and slanted and therefore meaningless...even the
NBCNews (MSNBC) is the most scurrilous "news" channel. Their comments
are embarrassing in addition to being incorrect. They bring no new insights to
political discourse and their hatred of opposing views has led to them to
personally attack Sarah Palin and MItt Romney. In both instances there was a
profuse apology and at least one firing that was prompted by public uproar.
Their subjectivity and bigotry overshadows any value that could have resulted.
They are left wing hate mongers and not journalists.
There are undoubtedly good journalists in cable news who feel hamstrung by
producers whose emphasis on creating entertaining TV viewing gets priority over
the public interest. Anchors get chosen for star quality over experience and
it’s no surprise when newscasts seem to be more about the newscaster than
the news itself.Some viewers like an anchor who gives commentary
with a dose of attitude. I think reporting and commentary are a bad mix. The
best cable news feature I regularly watched was CNN’s NewsNight with Aaron
Brown who came over from ABC News. I never saw Brown insult the intelligence of
his viewers. But he got dumped after a year or two and his time slot went to
Anderson Cooper. That’s when the decline of CNN became obvious to me.
LDS LiberalYou must post nonsense like that just to get a response.
Well here is mine. I've rarely heard a liberal argument that changed my
mind. I frequently hear conservative ones that do. And I've never heard a
liberal rationally argue a political point with facts. Only emotion. That is
why I tend to be conservative. I want logic and reason to make public policy
decisions, not emotional ones. Therefore it is the liberals who never hear or
read any opposition. FOX has opposition on all the time. That is why
conservatives can win just about any argument on policy. They know both sides
of an issue, not just the MSNBC or NBC, or CBS, or ABC, or OBAMA view.
To answer the question of the headline.Because cable TV news is a
In regards to local news, even is a bigger joke. For example, one night I turn
on Channel 4. It was after some reality show and they spent the first 20
minutes of the news highlighting the show. I thought that was a new low in
local news. There is no way we can take the media seriously anymore, even
newspapers. The days of Woodward and Bernstein are gone. It's all up to
us to make and report the news via the Internet...
Because they are all puppets who don't report the news like what going on
with the fukishima radiation. They only sing praise to Obama or the Tea party
all day long.